Thread: Entheogen: Awakening The Divine Within

Originally Posted by katielovestrees

Seconded. I'm about halfway through the film and I only wish that I could show this to the world.

lol I used to think like this too. Then I realized that most people are in a deep sleep and cannot be awaken unless they want to be. Meaning: half the world would just scoff this off as bullshit.

yeah, what CC said, i would go to Every One's home and show them this if i knew it would open their eyes, but most people are blind to the points made in the OP, meaning even if you show them they wont see what you see, they'll see the "devils" and the "immoral" in the video and then blast you with stereotypes and criticism and hatred.

But i agree katie, i would love to be able to show this to everyone so that at least i hit the 2/20 people actually "awake" with it.

I like to be positive about most people. I don't like to shut them out or think of them as different like that.

I have alot of faith that everyone sees enchantment in the world.

I don't people are in a "deep sleep". I think everyone is connected to the world in this positive way, and even if they don't understand or even recognise it I'd like to think it's an intrinsic part of consciousness.

The question I keep asking and never seem to get an answer for is; How do you know that your entheogenic experience is transcendental? How can you tell that you are not just on drugs?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I like to be positive about most people. I don't like to shut them out or think of them as different like that.

I have alot of faith that everyone sees enchantment in the world.

I don't people are in a "deep sleep". I think everyone is connected to the world in this positive way, and even if they don't understand or even recognise it I'd like to think it's an intrinsic part of consciousness.

I cant figure out how to respond to this: agreement, disagreement? No idea. Though I do know I am very pleased that someone holds this belief.

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

...Though I do know I am very pleased that someone holds this belief.

As do i, although the truth is that most are "disenchanted" with this world, where nothing matters but working, having sex, and getting/spending money.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I like to be positive about most people. I don't like to shut them out or think of them as different like that.

I have alot of faith that everyone sees enchantment in the world.

I don't people are in a "deep sleep". I think everyone is connected to the world in this positive way, and even if they don't understand or even recognise it I'd like to think it's an intrinsic part of consciousness.

I would really like to be positive about people, but it seems like the people just a little younger than me are extremely superficial. It's like they worship superficiality. It seems to me like most peoples minds are horribly out of shape. People spend lots of time text messaging and less time actually conversing(some people will even text someone while in the middle of a conversation with someone else). They also seem to be spending more time watching television and less time reading. To them the quality of information is irrelevant. As long as there is near constant transfer of the familiar, the popular. To them the connection is all about feeling connected, feeling the oneness of all things. They care very little about the end result, as long as they feel like a part of it. To them length is a negative quality because they can experience more connections if they are all short. They have their minds in so many places at once that they are really nowhere.

When the consciousness flows out of people in these sorts of patterns, it's hard for them to break out of the shell of the ego and actually enter into reality. Most people's interactions are not actually interactions with other people but interactions with a mental projection(a verbal hologram) of a person. When interactions are like this it is impossible for them to be meaningful. When people's relationships are based on meaningless interactions they are very unstable. Thus people look to gangs for stability.

They look to the Government or the Church or wherever they feel like they fit in. They look to groups that have a place in society. They find a place in that group and then they have a place in society. Then the sense of existential angst goes away and they can be happy citizens. I'm not trying to say that people ought to feel alienated, but the truth is that we live in a society based on alienation. We live in a society of red vs blue, black vs white. Your this, I'm that, and that's where we fit into society. People derive their sense of self from a verbal hologram that they've created, a collection of labels. In doing this they ignore what they actually are and miss life as it happens.

I'm not trying to say that these are preferences these people have or anything. It's more of a cultural phenomenon. I think it's the result of a last effort by the people in charge(white alpha males who take advantage of the human desire for oneness with reality) to stay in power. They will fall.

The problems of this world really do come down to misunderstanding that oneness, thinking that there is something you have to do in order to get it. INHERENT PERFECTION

Sorry for rambling, but I've had these ideas in my head for a while.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The question I keep asking and never seem to get an answer for is; How do you know that your entheogenic experience is transcendental? How can you tell that you are not just on drugs?

Is there a self? My understanding of the transcendental experience is that it is a shutting down of certain parts of our consciousness. I think that it's very similar to the death process in that way. When these processes stop we are able to see the world naked in all it's beauty. When I've had these experiences I always feel that there is no beginning or end to that which I am. I've heard this called selflessness before and that word makes sense to me.

I think a lot of us will identify with this video!! I mean, why are we all a part of this forum anyways? We all joined for the same reason. Lucid dreaming. Why did we become so fascinated with lucid dreaming? What did it offer us that we were missing in our waking ordinary conscious lives?

And I think what's even more important is here on DreamViews we have every personality type! And yet we all want to experience lucidity.

This video made me really aware that my desire to lucid dream is my desire to have a 'mystical' experience. To experience something that is uniquely different than just regular waking consciousness.

If you really identify with the message of this video, you might become angry, frustrated, anxious. Because you want to taste this natural birth right so much, but even if you do entheogens, you still gotta go out into the 'real' world that completely and utterly denies that your experience is real. Or even denies your natural human need and birth right to experience the 'mystical/enchanted reality'

So what do we do? This is the hard part......The really really really hard part. What do we do even if we do experience the mystical, the psychedelic, the enchanted and interconnected reality? Now what? Do we just hop in our car, use more fossil fuels, and work at some shitty job we hate, pretend to be someone were not? Day in? Day out? Taking our weekly or daily fix of lucid dreams, psychedelics, or OBE's to make it all right?

If we do that, then were not different than alcoholics avoiding their emotional problems. Even if we are communing with the gods.

The hardest part is to take our 'mystical' experiences, and allow it to change us forever. The hardest part is to integrate. And it IS overwhelming when you do realize you're not anywhere near who you want to be *blissful!!* and you're not living life anywhere near how you want to live life *deeply connected*!!

Well the good part is you're not alone . And we have the internet to be like our alcoholic anonymous support group. Where we recognize that yes it's our birth right to have these experiences, but if we only seek out these experiences and never integrate, were missing the point!

The other good news is, fractal time is on our side!! The video shows images of the natural and wild human. Our most ancient and primordial religion is animism. With animism the world of spirit was deeply a part of the world of matter and flesh. This meant that experiencing the physical world, or the physicality of our beings, was to experience something divine......Making the human experience an ecstatic one. And it also meant at the same time, we are so much more than just a body.

We then started our journey into the world of spirit, where only spirit mattered. As monopolized by monotheism, this meant that the world of matter wasn't sacred anymore. Being human became a shameful thing, we were sinners and the only thing that mattered was winning our true life in heaven.

Deism was short and quick, merely a mid-stop as we swung into the other reality. The material reality where we flip the coin and deny spirit. But this didn't offer us freedom either. It too made our human condition virtually meaningless. Now that we have experimented with both extremes, we should be able to merge back into the center knowing just how sweet it really is

(ps...they just put 2012 because it was convenient!)

Originally Posted by stonedape

Is there a self? My understanding of the transcendental experience is that it is a shutting down of certain parts of our consciousness. I think that it's very similar to the death process in that way. When these processes stop we are able to see the world naked in all it's beauty. When I've had these experiences I always feel that there is no beginning or end to that which I am. I've heard this called selflessness before and that word makes sense to me.

Well this to me is evidence that fits into the "just on drugs" column. Entheogenic drugs to not shut down parts of the brain, they actually over stimulate parts of the brain, and so your explanation to me seems like an after-the-fact rationalization of experiences that your human mind/brain was grossly unaccustomed to interpreting.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Well this to me is evidence that fits into the "just on drugs" column. Entheogenic drugs to not shut down parts of the brain, they actually over stimulate parts of the brain, and so your explanation to me seems like an after-the-fact rationalization of experiences that your human mind/brain was grossly unaccustomed to interpreting.

They stop certain processes. A large part of our consciousness is involved getting what we want. This creates a sort of filter that we experience reality through. This is why somethings look good and other things look bad. When you are high(whether it's from breathing or from cannabis) you can bypass these filters. You feel so damn good that you have no reason to go through all these processes that are designed(by you) to make you feel better. You stop worrying about survival and live.

I think I see what you mean with this question now, but I think it's something that has to be considered on an individual basis. There's not some kind of transcendence ACT. Transcendence to me signifies those experiences I've had while playing music or tripping when there was no me, All I knew was pure experience(these are the only real spiritual experiences I've had). But there may be another level of transcendence, which might be called Enlightenment. With this kind of transcendence a person would live like this(permanent shift). You might look at this as Awakening vs Enlightenment. Personally, I don't think there is any such level, I can't understand how there could be, but that may be because I'm using my dualistic mind to look at it. If there is any such a level I doubt it's reachable through the use of drugs alone, but I've never smoked DMT.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Well this to me is evidence that fits into the "just on drugs" column. Entheogenic drugs to not shut down parts of the brain, they actually over stimulate parts of the brain, and so your explanation to me seems like an after-the-fact rationalization of experiences that your human mind/brain was grossly unaccustomed to interpreting.

You have experience though, right?

I think the things you realize that have a longer-lasting positive effect on you
or still stick with you after the drug wore off entirely are the 'real' ones, all
that is just the drug speaking will cease to apply once the drug wore off.
But that of course postulates a certain degree of self-honesty. But as far
as actual proof goes,.. that's a little difficult. But I think it becomes quite
clear in what way they function or present any 'truth' when you do them.
To me they rather seem to relativize the term and show alternatives or
different possibilities (and the way how this happens, how thoughts work
and conclusions are presented I find highly interesting).

These sometimes seem to be impossible to come up with on your own, often
because they are just kind of 'there' and there was no conscious thought
process that lead to them. I think that many think these thoughts must come
from 'an outside source'. But of course there is no proof here either.

Originally Posted by dajo

You have experience though, right?

I think the things you realize that have a longer-lasting positive effect on you
or still stick with you after the drug wore off entirely are the 'real' ones, all
that is just the drug speaking will cease to apply once the drug wore off.
But that of course postulates a certain degree of self-honesty. But as far
as actual proof goes,.. that's a little difficult. But I think it becomes quite
clear in what way they function or present any 'truth' when you do them.
To me they rather seem to relativize the term and show alternatives or
different possibilities (and the way how this happens, how thoughts work
and conclusions are presented I find highly interesting).

These sometimes seem to be impossible to come up with on your own, often
because they are just kind of 'there' and there was no conscious thought
process that lead to them. I think that many think these thoughts must come
from 'an outside source'. But of course there is no proof here either.

I have a lot of experience, and that is most of the problem. I have enough experience that I should be fitting right into this conversation about how the rest of the world just hasn't woken up yet and touching god in a methyl molecule but in situations like these, all I feel is that I'm the only one that looks at the disparity between perception and reality and doesn't immediately forsake reality.

I want to believe Mckenna when he describes his framework for reality that has been revealed to him by the sentient (or at least communicative) psilocybin molecule but all I can think of is that his tone and inflection is awful similar to Charles Manson's when he's describing how the Beetles wrote all their albums to communicate with him about how he's the second coming of Christ and should be inciting black people to revolt by killing random celebrities. Why are McKenna's mushroom fueled revelations any more significant than Manson's acid fueled revelations?

Originally Posted by stonedape

I would really like to be positive about people, but it seems like the people just a little younger than me are extremely superficial. It's like they worship superficiality. It seems to me like most peoples minds are horribly out of shape. People spend lots of time text messaging and less time actually conversing(some people will even text someone while in the middle of a conversation with someone else). They also seem to be spending more time watching television and less time reading. To them the quality of information is irrelevant. As long as there is near constant transfer of the familiar, the popular. To them the connection is all about feeling connected, feeling the oneness of all things. They care very little about the end result, as long as they feel like a part of it. To them length is a negative quality because they can experience more connections if they are all short. They have their minds in so many places at once that they are really nowhere.

When the consciousness flows out of people in these sorts of patterns, it's hard for them to break out of the shell of the ego and actually enter into reality. Most people's interactions are not actually interactions with other people but interactions with a mental projection(a verbal hologram) of a person. When interactions are like this it is impossible for them to be meaningful. When people's relationships are based on meaningless interactions they are very unstable. Thus people look to gangs for stability.

They look to the Government or the Church or wherever they feel like they fit in. They look to groups that have a place in society. They find a place in that group and then they have a place in society. Then the sense of existential angst goes away and they can be happy citizens. I'm not trying to say that people ought to feel alienated, but the truth is that we live in a society based on alienation. We live in a society of red vs blue, black vs white. Your this, I'm that, and that's where we fit into society. People derive their sense of self from a verbal hologram that they've created, a collection of labels. In doing this they ignore what they actually are and miss life as it happens.

I'm not trying to say that these are preferences these people have or anything. It's more of a cultural phenomenon. I think it's the result of a last effort by the people in charge(white alpha males who take advantage of the human desire for oneness with reality) to stay in power. They will fall.

The problems of this world really do come down to misunderstanding that oneness, thinking that there is something you have to do in order to get it. INHERENT PERFECTION

Stonedape for fucking president of the world!
That's so true man. Especially the bit about having a conversation with a mental projection. I've known that, but you verbalised it beautifully.

I just want to add a thought here.

I don't think we are necessarily moving away from enlightenment or awakening. I mean, in the video they talked about how we viewed our environment differently before science etc. etc.
But I think that is just one way that we became awakened.
I think if people actually look at science now, as it's becoming more advanced, we are coming to the same conclusions as the shamans and ancient cultures did/do.

We've just gone from one extreme to another, but both can lead to awakening if you are open to it. And enlightenment if you have the balls to take it a step further and lose your ego.

That is, if we can stop people from being so materialistic (the worse side of science which was molested to big companies for profit).

If people learn about science and the new discoveries, it can definitely be beneficial to humankind.
But if we just go about looking at the corporate fucking of science (mobile phones, computers etc. etc.) that's about as far away from being awakened as you can get.
The downside is that we need these products to advance science because of the money system in our society.
The downside of pure spirituality is that it is molested by mainstream religion, which is equivalent to corporate science molestation.

Those interested in the ideas explored here, should watch the video on youtube called "culture is your operating system."
Terence articulates everything we're talking about now amazingly.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Those interested in the ideas explored here, should watch the video on youtube called "culture is your operating system."
Terence articulates everything we're talking about now amazingly.

Most probably have
Also since it was posted half a gazillion times.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Those interested in the ideas explored here, should watch the video on youtube called "culture is your operating system."
Terence articulates everything we're talking about now amazingly.

lol That video was the first thing I've heard by Terence McKenna. It was also the same thing that convinced me to take shrooms for the first time and part of the reason why I am so interested in language.

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

lol I used to think like this too. Then I realized that most people are in a deep sleep and cannot be awaken unless they want to be. Meaning: half the world would just scoff this off as bullshit.

Yeah, unfortunately most people are too fucking disenchanted (to use a word from the film) to actually give a shit.

I was talking to my friend last night and she asked what I was watching so I told her. Her response? "even i have to say that sounds gay lol" and "omg how u watching this its soooo fucking boring lmao."

A part of me died a little inside.

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Evar!!!