Thread: Black History Month is Racist

As Oneironaut said, black history month is just a time for blacks, just as much as white, to recognize the accoplishments past blacks have made. Whether it be civil rights, science, or just breaking barriers. If you haven't noticed most black americans today especialy younger ones don't know much about black history. This month is more about educating blacks now than it ever was, even though it was started for whites. Also you have to consider the time at which it was created, and created for. A time of incredible social unrest in america and when most whites had an extreme ignorance (not usually purposefully) of the things that blacks had done to better the country.

Blacks, in gaining social recognition, opened the doors for other races to excel without barriers or discrimination. The only reason blacks are the most recognized in this aspect is because they had the most dominant societal unrest problems and they also had the most forward and prominent leaders.

I know that some of my aquaintances and friends have absolutely no clue who marcus garvey or even Malcom X ( which honestly surprised me) the only experience they have with black culture is Mtv, BET, and through music and the news.

Black history month is a time to celebrate the civil rights accoplishments of all races, but mainly focusing on the efforts of black citizens of the world.


Edit: Also on the topic of scholarships. You have to remember that most minorities live in more disadvantaged communities and are also more likely to end up in jail. And there could be the worlds next Einstein that for a financial reason couldn't go to college and couldn't get that degree in quantum physics and make that teleporter or light speed engine.

for what its worth. I think the idea of affirmative action was in the right place, and sometimes it is defintely worth it if look at what kind of background the individual came from. BUT if all things are equal (family background, family income, ect.) I find it very unfair that race would be the determining factor.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

for what its worth. I think the idea of affirmative action was in the right place, and sometimes it is defintely worth it if look at what kind of background the individual came from. BUT if all things are equal (family background, family income, ect.) I find it very unfair that race would be the determining factor.

I agree, but you would have to take into account how some people just like to complain for whatever reason that they were discriminated against for whatever silly reason. Sometimes it may be true but most of the time it is unfounded. That being said I can see why the employer or school might pick that student that is black, Asian, Hispanic etc. that doesnt make it right though, but i can see their reasoning. It's not their fault all of the talented people in that area are white, or black, or asian its just how it is. As long as they are determining the best candidates based on skill level and charisma there should be no problem

Originally Posted by drewmandan

You can't make a whites only scholarship. That would be called a hate crime or some such. Explain that.

Im also sick of people saying, oh if I say this then everyone will call me a racist! Go ahead and make a white scholarship. Its not against the law. Why worry about people calling u a racist if ur not? As for me when I grow up I'm gonna offer a man scholarship. There is a bad ratio of women to men in college. The college I'm going to is only 30 percent men 0.o Disgustingggg....

Ok now that this thread is moving towards affirmitive action, this is my take on it.

Affirmative action is a highly insuffiecent awnser to an ever growing problem. In the 50s and such, black people lived in black hoods. Bad areas and bad schools. There are STILL bad areas, with bad schools. The grandparetns of todays poor (or black or whatever) didnt have enough money to move out because of either discrimination or lack of a good education. The parents of todays genertaion still didnt have a good education, so therefore not a good job to move to a place with a good school district, then the kids are stuck with bad area and a bad school. Give them a scholarship to college and so what? There mostly drop out because of the bad public education. Then lets give them affirmative actions, so when they apply for the bad jobs there are because of the lack of education then there SURE to get it. How nice of the goverment! We dont need affirmative action, we need a better education system! I would rather have universal education than universal health care, hell with universal education there would be many more doctors and the price of medical services wouldnt be so god damn high! Untill we make public schools better, or elimanate them completey and inciate vouchers, then the ghetto kids will still have a bad education. Even if u do get in college there lack of education will impact them. My parents moved a lot. There sometimes go broke making sure they got a house with a good school district. I ask, what about the kids whose parents dont have money to move? My mom says, well that sucks for them. GAHHHHHH IT MAKES MEEE RAGGGGEEE!!!

Anyway... a lot of problems will be fixed if there is a good education avaible to EVERYONE. Not just to the kids whose parents live in a good district. Ok now I got everyone off topic...

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

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I honestly don't believe that is the point of Black History month, simply a widespread misinterpretation.

I don't sense any sarcasm, white people(I AM ONE) are pretty ignorant.. some of them anyway.

Great thread O'nus For the most part, there have been intelligent Q's and A's in here, therefore...I've decided to join. Here's my take on this. Call me vain but I'm pretty sure people were wondering what the "black members" comments in here would be. Well here's mine.

This is the 21st century, I think a lot of whites are against black history month because they feel as if we (as a people and nation) HAVE progressed to where various races can sleep over each others houses, can hang out and call each other "friend". I also think many people are naive to think that racism has magically disappeared and therefore all the programs/institutions/funding/recognition that blacks receive to help balance their place in America should disappear too...ie "Negro scholarship funds", "black history month" etc.

On a side note, my 10th grade debate teacher in highschool wanted to help me get a native american scholarship because I am part native american. Not so much a black and white issue eh? Pun intended.

Most whites think that racism has disappeared and therefore so should all the programs/funds etc. instituted to combat racism and give blacks a fighting chance at equality here in America. In a perfect world, I would very much like this and I hope that one day these institutions would not be necessary. We have come a long way, but we aren't to the mountain top yet. I do see Black History month (as "O" so eloquently put it) as a "consolation prize". I've learned some interesting things about blacks over the years...like for one thing, before the 80's it was popular for a white musician to record over a black person's song and call it "his/her" own and make mega money for it. Listen to this song...I love it...

Did you know it was originally written and recorded by THIS woman?

Neither did I until a few years ago. As I said, it was commonplace back then to record over a black musician's song and go mainstream with it making big bucks...calling it your own. Some lawsuits would be made but they never made it far.

A lot of whites want Black History month gone. I get it. I also think it's because they feel as if they can't identify with it because all they interpret it as (when February rolls around) the glorification of a skin color...which isn't true. I view it as America trying to make up for it's horrible history by honoring a race of people's contributions and accomplishments whom they also once tried to control and exterminate.

In a perfect world...I can definitely see there no need for minority assists...but until we get our own planets, we have to keep playing by our ancestors rules.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Great thread O'nus For the most part, there have been intelligent Q's and A's in here, therefore...I've decided to join. Here's my take on this. Call me vain but I'm pretty sure people were wondering what the "black members" comments in here would be. Well here's mine.

This is the 21st century, I think a lot of whites are against black history month because they feel as if we (as a people and nation) HAVE progressed to where various races can sleep over each others houses, can hang out and call each other "friend". I also think many people are naive to think that racism has magically disappeared and therefore all the programs/institutions/funding/recognition that blacks receive to help balance their place in America should disappear too...ie "Negro scholarship funds", "black history month" etc.

On a side note, my 10th grade debate teacher in highschool wanted to help me get a native american scholarship because I am part native american. Not so much a black and white issue eh? Pun intended.

Most whites think that racism has disappeared and therefore so should all the programs/funds etc. instituted to combat racism and give blacks a fighting chance at equality here in America. In a perfect world, I would very much like this and I hope that one day these institutions would not be necessary. We have come a long way, but we aren't to the mountain top yet. I do see Black History month (as "O" so eloquently put it) as a "consolation prize". I've learned some interesting things about blacks over the years...like for one thing, before the 80's it was popular for a white musician to record over a black person's song and call it "his/her" own and make mega money for it. Listen to this song...I love it...

Did you know it was originally written and recorded by THIS woman?

Neither did I until a few years ago. As I said, it was commonplace back then to record over a black musician's song and go mainstream with it making big bucks...calling it your own. Some lawsuits would be made but they never made it far.

A lot of whites want Black History month gone. I get it. I also think it's because they feel as if they can't identify with it because all they interpret it as (when February rolls around) the glorification of a skin color...which isn't true. I view it as America trying to make up for it's horrible history by honoring a race of people's contributions and accomplishments whom they also once tried to control and exterminate.

In a perfect world...I can definitely see there no need for being minority assists...but until we get our own planets, we have to keep playing by our ancestors rules.

agree 99%! If we get our own planets we'll still find something to divide each other by haha

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I've learned some interesting things about blacks over the years...like for one thing, before the 80's it was popular for a white musician to record over a black person's song and call it "his/her" own and make mega money for it. Listen to this song...I love it...

Everybody knows Elvis didn't write his own songs.

It wasn't written by that woman either. It was written by two other guys. She recorded it. It was quite popular. Elvis recorded it. It became very popular. What's the problem? This is what happens in the music industry, it certainly wasn't 'stolen' off anybody and it had nothing to do with race...

See this is part of the issue. You start getting completely unfounded confirmation bias. Celebrate those who deserve to be celebrated, and just keep race out of it.

I think blacks, as a group, are guilty of an order of magnitude more instances of ripped baselines than whites...

Hah... yeah good point.

Originally Posted by Xei

Everybody knows Elvis didn't write his own songs.

That's a pretty bold assumption Xei. I'd have to disagree with you.

Okay, perhaps a select few ignorants don't realise. So what? I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

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No.

honestly i don't see why people have a problem with it in the same way how i don't see how people have a problem when others say something that is "politically incorrect". Can you believe that someone had a problem with resident evil 5 because the zombies were mostly black??? No shit sherlock it's set in AFRICA

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

No.

Ok. Just checking.

Originally Posted by blackjack

Can you believe that someone had a problem with resident evil 5 because the zombies were mostly black??? No shit sherlock it's set in AFRICA

LOL. Figures.
People find "discrimination" in the strangest places.

DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with everything this man said, but I do agree with some things. Anyway, I'm posting this more for entertainment value than anything else.

I really hope no one removes that video just to see what some people can act like and how some people think it is worthy of sharing and (arguably..? agreeing with).

It is rather irrelevant but does demonstrate bigotry and projection.

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wow, he must be a big man being able to talk like that with his mic up on a pedastal and not even giving her a chance to properly respond...then again, thats what people do when their words are empty.

Jeff777
I could not allow your post to remain, as it was a personal attack of a member. However I do understand your outrage to drewmandan's post. I too find it tasteless and absurd.
For reasons O'nus stated I had let the post remain.

Originally Posted by O'nus

I really hope no one removes that video just to see what some people can act like and how some people think it is worthy of sharing and (arguably..? agreeing with).

It is rather irrelevant but does demonstrate bigotry and projection.

If this is unfair in your eyes, I will take responsibility and remove it as well. As I think that would only be fair.
Otherwise I will, as stated, let it remain.

Originally Posted by Howie

Jeff777
I could not allow your post to remain, as it was a personal attack of a member. However I do understand your outrage to drewmandan's post. I too find it tasteless and absurd.
For reasons O'nus stated I had let the post remain.

-grumbles- >_>

As of now, I'm not going to remove the video, only because Howie was on the case, first, and if it's removed, I want it to be removed because it should be removed, and not because of a perceived 'knee-jerk' reaction from me.

That being said, that video is completely irrelevant to this thread and, though handled in a way it absolutely should not have been, I absolutely agree with Jeff. Not only is that video one hell of a straw-man, but I find it really offensive (on drew's part) that it was even posted here, in the first place.

Do with it what you will. I may or may not come back later and delete it, myself.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

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That being said, that video is completely irrelevant to this thread

Wait, you don't think that things like black history month had anything to do with this man and his overwhelming racist attitude? You don't think things like black history month have anything to do with him priding black people over people in general? A month dedicated to priding black people in history over all people in history couldn't have possibly attributed to the way this man thinks and acts?

I disagree that the video was irrelevant.

This man in the video was tasteless in general...so I can see how you find posting the video to be tastless.

Edit: I read that wrong, I thought you said you "were" going to remove it.

All these laws meant to counter racism toward blacks are unconstitutional. Just as slavery was unconstitutional, just as racial division was unconstitutional, they is unconstitutional. It has been argued that racism exists etc. etc., but simply put, racism is always going to exist. On both sides of the spectrum. I feel that video is relevant to the argument here because it displays clearly how some black people are racist against whites. Perhaps these laws were appropriate for a time of extreme racism towards blacks, but they are most certainly obsolete now.

Black history month? Yeah ok, not that bad. Eventually, as people stop giving a fuck about race even in the sense of being proud of one's race, it'll just disappear by itself.

If you want race to be irrelevant, then you need to stop paying attention to race. Period.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Wait, you don't think that things like black history month had anything to do with this man and his overwhelming racist attitude? You don't think things like black history month have anything to do with him priding black people over people in general?

Uh...No...

...How in the world could you logically attribute what he was saying to Black History month??

Originally Posted by Sandform

A month dedicated to priding black people in history over all people in history...

I gotta say that I'm getting pretty sick of this misconception. Is this really what all the hate over Black History month is all about? Do people honestly think that Black History month is a celebration of blacks in history OVER all people in history?? Seriously??

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

All these laws meant to counter racism toward blacks are unconstitutional. Just as slavery was unconstitutional, just as racial division was unconstitutional, they is unconstitutional. It has been argued that racism exists etc. etc., but simply put, racism is always going to exist. On both sides of the spectrum. I feel that video does contribute because it displays clearly how some black people are racist against whites. Perhaps these laws were appropriate for a time of extreme racism towards blacks, but they are most certainly obsolete now.

So would a video about some random white supremist zealot spouting off of about how he hates white people be contributory to this thread, showing how Black History month is necessary because "some white people still think this way?"

What some dude on a street corner says about white people has nothing to do with Black History month. It is only meant to draw attention to the "well some black people hate white people" mentality and provoke bias.