Thread: The Real Problem With Homosexuality

Originally Posted by Marvo

What doesn't make sense? That your sexual orientation is in flux? That happens to nearly everybody and has something to do with hormones. Some people more than others. It'll be over when your grow older.

It doesn't make sense to me that I can be of a masculine archetype and still be attracted to men. And it makes even less sense that I could be of a masculine archetype and actually be seeking another masculine type person. That is the confusing part (about people in general, not myself). The first instance tells us that at least the part of the brain that deals with physical attraction must be different from whatever determines your gender personality, but I am completely lost as to the second instance. I am saying it doesn't make sense because it really doesn't. Usually, two partners compliment each other in their features. How can this happen when they are of the same gender psychologically? That's what I am trying to figure out. You've got to admit it is a bit of a mystery.

With all that said, I was reffering to it not making sense that homosexual relationships would have just as high a success rate as heterosexual ones. And if it does, I really want to understand how and why.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

It doesn't make sense to me that I can be of a masculine archetype and still be attracted to men. And it makes even less sense that I could be of a masculine archetype and actually be seeking another masculine type person. That is the confusing part (about people in general, not myself). The first instance tells us that at least the part of the brain that deals with physical attraction must be different from whatever determines your gender personality, but I am completely lost as to the second instance. I am saying it doesn't make sense because it really doesn't. Usually, two partners compliment each other in their features. How can this happen when they are of the same gender psychologically? That's what I am trying to figure out. You've got to admit it is a bit of a mystery.

With all that said, I was reffering to it not making sense that homosexual relationships would have just as high a success rate as heterosexual ones. And if it does, I really want to understand how and why.

The human brain has not been completely mapped yet, and there are still lots of things that we don't understand about it. Your theory, from what I can hear, asserts that we know all there is to know about the human brain, which we clearly don't.

Simply put, all the questions you're asking cannot be answered with a proper scientifical answer right now, because nobody really knows what the answer is.

I believe I'm a bisexual myself, and what I've found, is that I put on a manly personality and appearance when I'm headed for girls, and what I want in a girl is just a normal feminine person. When it comes to boys, I put on a feminine act and appearance (when I say appearance I mean body language) and what I want in a boy is pretty much the same.

Doesn't make sense I guess?

With all that said, I was reffering to it not making sense that homosexual relationships would have just as high a success rate as heterosexual ones. And if it does, I really want to understand how and why.

First: Why do you need to know this? Why do you need to know so much about all this? Why can't you just live with it?

Second: Nobody can give you a concrete answer.

Good point, humans have just barely scratched the surface of understanding how the brain works. I don't blame anyone for trying to understand homosexuality, but I'd be willing to bet the answer is too complicated for us at this point in time. It seems the best we can do is try to understand our own personal sexuality.

i think, to actually tackle this argrument we have to first go back to the facts/ opinions of "human nature" I'm pretty sure alot of problems show them selves in different ways in non homosexual relationships aswell. in my opinion i'd say it depends on the person not the sexual orientation.

Dost agree with Marvo

Originally Posted by Marvo

First: Why do you need to know this? Why do you need to know so much about all this? Why can't you just live with it?

I'm glad I read this before the rest of your post, it's saved me some energy.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

I'm glad I read this before the rest of your post, it's saved me some energy.

Well I think I can help you Idolfan I'm gay so shoot any question you like I'll answer.

Idolfan, don't you realize that many homosexual and bisexual animals exist in nature?

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Idolfan, don't you realize that many homosexual and bisexual animals exist in nature?

aww that was going to be my next point if this thread took off again

Originally Posted by dreamnoob

aww that was going to be my next point if this thread took off again

I was outraged that nobody had already brought up this obvious point.

We're not just talking about human nature here. We're talking about nature in general. There's sexual diversity all around us, and here we are acting like idiots trying to cap it and label it either good or bad. Stop being so myopic.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

Idolfan, don't you realize that many homosexual and bisexual animals exist in nature?

I am sorry for getting so angry again, but are you all retards? So what there are homosexual animals. There is no doubt that there is a physical predetermination of physical attraction, but are the animals you speak of bonded in any emotional way? And if they are, is it because one partner has the brain structure of the opposite sex? And even if they did not, and they were both the same archetype, just for the sake of argument, once again so what? That says nothing at all about human beings because these are animals! They are leagues and leagues away from the complexity of relationships that humans get into.

I think it's amazing how an incredibly clear topic can end up getting interpreted as something completely different. This was never about "Is homosexuality natural?" It is about since homosexuality is not in the mainstream natural order and it is a brain abnormality*, then how can it be expected to function in society as if we had been evolving for that purpose for millions of years? On topics like homosexuality, people seem to go into a stupor and even the liberals become dogmatic. It's the one topic where all of a sudden everyone seems to forget that evolution is a BLIND WATCHMAKER.

*It is abnormal, plus it's in the brain. So you can't really deny that it's a 'brain abnormality' unless you actually want to insult homosexuals. And since it's abnormal, it has not been selected in any way to constitute as a successful system! Bonobos are very close to us and practically all are bisexual, but this is only an experimental way of living. It's all experimental, humanity's own acceptance of homosexuality is experimental. So it pisses me off that people talk about it as if it's something completely doubtless and flawless.


@ mowglycdb : I guess all I can really ask is how do you see the proportions of archetypally masculine or feminine gay people? If you've known enough. Which way would you testify?

It would be interesting to understand how another homosexual's personality and desires worked out, but if we were to just work off them then the thread would be pointless because there is no decent sample.

Eureka!

I was having a bit of new year cheer so I researched nothing, but it's only taken me less than a minute to find this:

The sexually dimorphic nucleus whatever that is located near or on the hypothalamus or something is the part of the brain that deals with physcial sexuality. It is said to be larger in homosexual animals, as well as, presumably, homosexual people. I also saw this in a text book once, I just didn't take it in properly.

(I am not contradicting myself because this is about physical attraction)

So I suppose that if you had either a genetic mutation or a birth abnormality which increased the number of neurones in this area, but did not change the gender characteristics of your brain, you could then be likely to turn out as same-sex attracted, but not have the emotional characteristics of the opposite sex. This is very likely a bit of a stretch though because it doesn't include any environmental aspects.

Okay this didn't really advance anything in a social aspect but at least it shows how these things can probably arise.