Thread: Vaccines

So because they're over 65 we shouldn't care as much that they're dying from something that's preventable? I'm not trying to get all fear-mongery hear, I just think it's silly to not take steps to prevent the flu.

no vaccine for me...

i haven't even had so much as a chest cold in the past year/year and a half. I also had seasonal allergies but it's like they went away or something, i don't get them anymore. I ALSO haven't had any vaccines lately..my last vaccine or flu shot was maybe 2 or 3 years ago and I'm doing just fine.

I'd stay away with vaccines...look what happened to the redskins cheerleader, youtube it......

not only THAT, but that also happened back in 1976 also, Lady said she got fucked up from the the swine flu shot in ...but the video constantly gets taken down on youtube. They aired it one time on t.v. and that was it.

The body naturally heals itself. medical doctors know this.

there was actually a doctor that provided hard-cold evidence of the dangers of vaccines..but of course the website was shut down.

just google it though...like i said i haven't had a vaccine or flu shot in like 2 years...and i'm doing just fine..if not BETTER. Call me a nutjob..i probably am.

It's all fucking propaganda though...don't buy into it.

I mean, I don't have problems with most vaccines, especially ones that are very important and possibly life-saving. I do, however, take issue with the millions who flock in fear and panic to get a FLU vaccine, which is oftentimes quite unnecessary. This probably isn't accurate, but in my opinion, getting sick once in a while is a good thing; it keeps the immune system strong. By being forced to fight off bacteria and germs, the system remains in a more active state, whereas it will slowly degrade if it is not needed. So yeah, I can see where vaccines for TB, etc are very useful, but if it's for the flu and you're a normal, healthy person, it's just sort of overkill...

http://www.nwhealth.edu/healthyU/sta.../strength.html

Gradually Expose Yourself to Pathogens: If you live in an environment that’s too clean, your immune system will become idle. Not being exposed to viruses on a regular basis, may subject your body to conditions like asthma or allergies,” says Dr. Van Fleet. “Your body will channel function towards things that aren’t pathogens (such as allergies) that normally wouldn’t make you sick. Having a cold or flu keeps your immune system alert.”

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Originally Posted by Mario92

I mean, I don't have problems with most vaccines, especially ones that are very important and possibly life-saving. I do, however, take issue with the millions who flock in fear and panic to get a FLU vaccine, which is oftentimes quite unnecessary. This probably isn't accurate, but in my opinion, getting sick once in a while is a good thing; it keeps the immune system strong. By being forced to fight off bacteria and germs, the system remains in a more active state, whereas it will slowly degrade if it is not needed. So yeah, I can see where vaccines for TB, etc are very useful, but if it's for the flu and you're a normal, healthy person, it's just sort of overkill...

http://www.nwhealth.edu/healthyU/sta.../strength.html


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Exactly. I can see flu vaccines as only an agenda to get money off people/government, but I don't believe in conspiracy theories. If conspiracy theories were right, they wouldn't be conspiracy theories. Don't think the world wants to fuck with you, that's untrue. The world simply doesn't care about you.

And @ immune system exposure stuff: it's the reason doctors don't get sick.

Swine flu vaccines seem really unnecessary.

Originally Posted by CarmineEternity

Swine flu vaccines seem really unnecessary.

Yeah, now they do, but when it was a potential pandemic, it wouldn't be alright to just trust luck and not study/make/apply vaccines.

Originally Posted by Catbus

It matters because not everyone gets better from the flu. 300,000-500,000* people die from the flu across the globe per year.

Yes, very old or sick people.

Originally Posted by Awakening

If I die from a flu it's about time to die

So because they're over 65 we shouldn't care as much that they're dying from something that's preventable?

Depends how much over 65. 65-85 we should care. 90+ with multiple organ failure, probably not.
It's obvious this flu was so much hyped up as well. They said at one point that it will kill people with healthy immune systems more because their immune systems will overreact. They only people we saw dying were very old people and/or very sick people who were going to die very soon anyway. Which is pretty much identical to normal flu.

Originally Posted by Catbus

So because they're over 65 we shouldn't care as much that they're dying from something that's preventable? I'm not trying to get all fear-mongery hear, I just think it's silly to not take steps to prevent the flu.

Why not prevent it in natural ways? Just as article Mario posted, not being sedentary and other things helps to cope with it. Furthermore, there are tons of children suffering with hunger, why should we worry more with a flu?

because their fucking making tons of money off of it..duh. that's why their not worried about starving children in africa or china

lol exactly. And the flu effects 1st world countries, whereas hunger is mostly prominent in those dirty 3rd world regions.

EDIT: Heh, look what I just found in this doctors magazine subscription I have (I only get headlines since I'm not a doctor).
Swine flu vigilance urged
A second wave of swine flu could be about to sweep through NSW schools, the AMA warns.
....

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Call me a nutjob..i probably am.

I believe that's the first true statement you've written on this forum.

Because of the world-wide vaccination initiatives that occurred before you were even born, you got to grow up in a world without small pox or polio. Two viruses that have been with us since the beginning of recorded history and have been responsible for (no bullshit) over half a billion deaths in the last 5,000 years will never again harm a large population of humans. No child has to become paralysed if they fail to be cured of polio in time. Measles was meant to be eradicated by 2014 but that date has been pushed back thanks to these anti-vax nut jobs lowering the herd immunity.

You get more mercury out of eating a can of tuna than you do from a typical vaccine (in most cases these days, you get ZERO. Mercury hasn't been used since the 1990s).

I don't get them. I'm 24 years old and in good health, if I get the flu it's not going to kill me. Save the vaccinations for the children and the elderly, unless it's really bad. I thought about getting the swine flu vaccination, but didn't (and I got swine flu )

Herbal medicine is good, for colds and allergies I use all herbal stuff, but if something's really wrong, modern medicine will run circles around the herbal stuff. Herbal for small stuff, modern for serious stuff is my motto. This reminds me of that episode of south park.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I believe that's the first true statement you've written on this forum.

Because of the world-wide vaccination initiatives that occurred before you were even born, you got to grow up in a world without small pox or polio. Two viruses that have been with us since the beginning of recorded history and have been responsible for (no bullshit) over half a billion deaths in the last 5,000 years will never again harm a large population of humans. No child has to become paralysed if they fail to be cured of polio in time. Measles was meant to be eradicated by 2014 but that date has been pushed back thanks to these anti-vax nut jobs lowering the herd immunity.

You get more mercury out of eating a can of tuna than you do from a typical vaccine (in most cases these days, you get ZERO. Mercury hasn't been used since the 1990s).

well enjoy your vaccines then. Like i said, there was evidence from a doctor saying that vaccines are dangerous and actually increase your chances of getting cancer. Just google it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

Even my neighbors across the street seen that and said they are definitely not getting a a vaccine.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

well enjoy your vaccines then. Like i said, there was evidence from a doctor saying that vaccines are dangerous and actually increase your chances of getting cancer. Just google it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

Even my neighbors across the street seen that and said they are definitely not getting a a vaccine.

...and this is how propaganda is spread...seriously, you would rather let your child suffer through disease and possibly death over a slim probability for a health risk? Now that's stupid...natural selection at work, I guess.

Could you explain how you think vaccines cause cancer? Cancer is cause by genetic mutations, how do you think a crippled virus particle can mutate your genes? You people are hilarious.

Originally Posted by Mario92

...and this is how propaganda is spread...seriously, you would rather let your child suffer through disease and possibly death over a slim probability for a health risk? Now that's stupid...natural selection at work, I guess.

Yeah that's true. People don't realise what the actual virus can do itself.
In general, viruses would kill more people than the vaccine. Except for in that swine flu case in the 1970's, but it was like one person killed from the vaccine and 30 people injured or something, and they used mercury back then, they don't now.
I don't know if the vaccine did anything this time, maybe injured a few people in some way like that one girl that was all over the news couldn't walk properly etc. IMO it's a scam, just look at the ads for alternative treatments all over her site. Some dubious vitamin e200 or some shit I can't remember lol

Alextanium - You're definitely correct. Tuna contains the highest amount of mercury of anything we come in to contact with these days afaik (Well, Unless you work around pure mercury, for some reason). And it's still only a TINY amount. No one's going brain dead from it. This is because the body get's rid of mercury by itself, naturally. As long as it isn't so much mercury that it starts damaging your brain. Small amounts are excreted by the body over time.

So if it's something else causing this supposed harm, all I can think is that the virus wasn't crippled properly and just does what it usually would, or it's something else used to preserve it etc.

I found this btw just searching for something else for this post,
http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-24219.html

Originally Posted by Mario92

...and this is how propaganda is spread...seriously, you would rather let your child suffer through disease and possibly death over a slim probability for a health risk? Now that's stupid...natural selection at work, I guess.

Do you personally know someone that doesn't get vaccines, that doesn't take tons of medication, and all these other shots that gets sick and gets dis-ease?

You have it the other way around.....YOUR being fed the propaganda. It's all scare tactics to get you to buy Big Pharma's medicine. I'm still recovering from the Ritalin they had me on in 6th grade which made me really depressed, sleep, docile and slow.

Look up the "Medical Mafia".

They poison the food and tap water ( but not enough to kill you ) so you will have to go to Big Pharma for their medicine. Even mainstream news say that. This isn't a conspiracy theory, this has been known for years, it just hasn't become mainstream. I even remember hearing this in a rap song some time ago.

http://www.whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bAkrGYkV10
http://www.amazon.com/Medical-Mafia-.../dp/0964412608

I'm not bashing doctors or anything, it's your choice to take vaccines or not. But get educated. I haven't had a vaccine or flu shot, in maybe 2 years...and I'm just fine. The body heals itself of ailments if the mind isn't under stress. One example is smoking, if your a smoker..and you stop smoking for like 4 or 5 days..during that time the lung cells repair themselves. You can tell the difference when you smoke again.

Seriously? Everyone I know has gotten vaccines, and they lead perfectly normal, healthy lifestyles. I highly doubt big medicine poisons the water...and frankly, I don't see how it could where I live. It's all well water, and crystal clear.

Listen to yourself. YOU havent had a shot. YOU haven't gotten sick. Vaccination isn't about YOU. It's about the community. If you DO happen to get sick - and it will happen eventually because there's 2-3 new flu virus mutations every season - and you don't take the necessary precautions to stop spreading it around you may get an already sick person (or an immuno-compromised person) sick with the flu that could actually kill them.

Just take a step back, realise its not always about you, and have a little thought for your local community. Disease can spread faster today than any time before in history thanks to international travel.

No one is 'out to get you'. No one is poisoning your water with the express purpose of killing YOU. There is no population control plan in effect. Yes the body does heal itself (90% of everything anyone has ever gone to a doctor for will clear up on its own given enough time and proper care) but again this isn't about you. It's about keeping other people safe through herd immunity.

And if "some doctor" had actual data showing that vaccines caused cancer he'd be given the damn Nobel Prize for Medicine, after publishing his data in the peer review forum. Credible people don't post breakthrough on websites that can be taken down by the spooky men.

There's just so much ignorance floating around in this thread it isn't even worth it to try to tackle it. I just have to say I love it when the conspiracy nuts start spouting hillarious bullshit, laden with logical fallacies and full of "evidence" that they begin to sound like a parody. Shit though, if that's what you were going for, bravo, you are a hell of a comedian my friend.

Of course you can get vaccines and still drink water and eat food normally and be healthy.

Getting a vaccine is like throwing dice, where if it lands on the wrong number your fucked. Like that Red Skins cheerleader. Vaccines contain unnecessary ingredients. And the risk is that it weakens you....it's never enough to kill you though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit...r_fluoridation

Well-water is good. It's natural and most likely doesn't have contaminants or additives in it.

God, you're talking about WATER FLUORIDATION? That's what this was all about? Oh, holy crap...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

The levels are too small to do anything but prevent tooth decay, and even if you object, a sandard water filter will suck the stuff out. Now kindly drop your "government is poisoning us" conspiracy theory...

Also, what part of INCREDIBLY SMALL RISK OF SERIOUS SIDE-EFFECTS are you not getting? A one-in-a-million case is no reason to suggest we do away with vaccines, or that Big Medicine is out to get us. And don't even think of bringing autism into this; nothing substantially backs up that notion.

Mercury was the big concern in vaccines. That is gone now. What's the problem?

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Do you personally know someone that doesn't get vaccines, that doesn't take tons of medication, and all these other shots that gets sick and gets dis-ease?

Yeah man, that's coz everyone else is getting the vaccines. Well, many many people.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

You have it the other way around.....YOUR being fed the propaganda. It's all scare tactics to get you to buy Big Pharma's medicine. I'm still recovering from the Ritalin they had me on in 6th grade which made me really depressed, sleep, docile and slow.

So this is where it all stems from; your hatred of medicine. You were fucked over by an ill-researched drug which big pharma pushed on so many kids. I too was a victim of the anti-depressant scam. Took me months of withdrawals and years to fully get over what those things did to me. With no positive effects. However, you have to realise that some medicine IS good. And they are not trying to fuck everyone over with every medicine they have.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

They poison the food and tap water ( but not enough to kill you ) so you will have to go to Big Pharma for their medicine. Even mainstream news say that. This isn't a conspiracy theory, this has been known for years, it just hasn't become mainstream. I even remember hearing this in a rap song some time ago.

Well, yes. In a way. They mainly do it because they can't be bothered getting rid of their byproducts in the correct way. But it is ALSO the common PERSON who does this too. People flushing pills down toilets, down the sink etc. I saw a study a while ago saying on average there is 100+ drugs in every cup of water, from council water supplies of course. I don't know if it would go in to the clouds too and then rain down in to springs etc. Probably not, it would probably be inactive by then.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

Listen to yourself. YOU havent had a shot. YOU haven't gotten sick. Vaccination isn't about YOU. It's about the community. If you DO happen to get sick - and it will happen eventually because there's 2-3 new flu virus mutations every season - and you don't take the necessary precautions to stop spreading it around you may get an already sick person (or an immuno-compromised person) sick with the flu that could actually kill them.

Actually that's a good point there. It's not just elderly, or babies, it's also people with other diseases that they could get over in a matter of days or weeks, but then they get the flu. They should get the vaccine though IMO; if someone is severely sick in the flu season, they should get it to save their life, if they want.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

It's about keeping other people safe through herd immunity.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if I agree with this. If it is something that can kill everyone, like measles, polio etc. Yes. But when it's the flu, only the people that could die from it should get it. Sick people etc. as mentioned already.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

And if "some doctor" had actual data showing that vaccines caused cancer he'd be given the damn Nobel Prize for Medicine, after publishing his data in the peer review forum. Credible people don't post breakthrough on websites that can be taken down by the spooky men.

Lol you can't beat conspiracy theorists with that kind of logic. They'll just say "Yes, but BIG PHARMA IS HIDING IT!!!!"

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Getting a vaccine is like throwing dice, where if it lands on the wrong number your fucked. Like that Red Skins cheerleader. Vaccines contain unnecessary ingredients. And the risk is that it weakens you....it's never enough to kill you though.

She's the only person who was allegedly crippled by the vaccine. Do you know how many died and were crippled/injured by the virus? I'm gonna let you look that up yourself.
Plus I just said above, look at her website it's clearly set up by some company, you can tell by the layout, and there's link in every direction for alternative treatments which are non existent chemicals and so forth.

Originally Posted by Mario92

God, you're talking about WATER FLUORIDATION? That's what this was all about? Oh, holy crap...

Lol I know wtf right. It's called a straw man argument I believe. Maybe not so much, more a diversion. He's just moving on to other conspiracies before we have a chance to fully shoot one down. Nevertheless I'm gonna put my view on it.

Originally Posted by Mario92

The levels are too small to do anything but prevent tooth decay, and even if you object, a standard water filter will suck the stuff out.

This though, I dunno. There's been some studies suggesting fluoride could calcify the pineal gland, hence reducing imagination.
The only problem I have with fluoridating water is WHY? Who gives a flying fuck about TEETH!!!!?
It just doesn't seem worth it, especially when fluoride is in almost every toothpaste since the discovery that it helps teeth. What's that extra one particle in a million gonna do if it doesn't even touch your teeth most of the time when drinking water?
There is some logical inconsistencies in this fluoridation of water I think.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Mercury was the big concern in vaccines. That is gone now. What's the problem?

Yeah, that's what people do. Shoot down one thing and they set up another, more far fetched idea that is harder to shoot down. Eventually you end up with, "god did it and god moves in mysterious ways and we can't comprehend god" which is the ultimate inarguable argument.

Oh I agree with the Katt Williams thing too lol Love that guy.

I got a vaccine last week and I feel perfectly normal. You should never question the motives of the government to give you vaccines. I say this of my own free will.