Thread: I don't want Lucid Dreaming to be popular

Just an opinion, but I would say that sounds a bit selfish. I mean, why wouldn't you want others to experience such an amazing thing? I understand that feeling though, about it becoming popular. In the same respect, you shouldn't be getting into lucid dreaming just because everyone else isn't, ya know? It takes time to master, so the ones truly passionate about it should be the only ones who really stick with it. Not saying I'm a professional or anything either though haha. If I had a preference though, I would say the only ones who should know about it are the ones who discover it for themselves, but in a way that's not fair. I think it's all going to come down to opinion on this subject, like most others. Good thought though, just my 2 cents.

I think lucid dreaming can be very difficult toget to grips with and time consuming , ect...... dream diarys, different techniques , being patient and practicing and meditation. After the inception phase has gone and people are'nt reaching lucidity im sure they will give up any way.

Originally Posted by Xegar

in a year everyone will be talking about their recent WILD attempts on the street.

Dude. That would be awesome. It's never going to happen, but it would still be awesome.

Honestly, I would want EVERYONE to learn to lucid dream and benefit positively from it. I would much rather have a bunch of esoteric types around than a bunch of externally focused minds. But I don't think you have too much to worry about given the amount of determination that lucid dreaming takes for most people. Everyone can be prodigal in it, but not everyone has the focus to do it.

This reminds me of the kids that try to keep a band hidden despite the fact that the only people they're hurting is the band that themselves. Just let other people enjoy good things.

Lucid Dreaming wont go mainstream until some crazy event happens that brings it into the publics interest. A movie will not do this.

People will join over the next couple weeks and a lot of them will say they googled the stuff from Inception, but they will probably try to LD for like 2 nights, fail, then leave and forget about lucid dreaming forever.

The more people we have lucid dreaming, the more we will learn from it. I'm all for it going mainstream; lots of money would also be invested into research and development.

Being underground has no benefits, unless you're the OP and fear conformity.

Originally Posted by Boat

Lucid Dreaming wont go mainstream until some crazy event happens that brings it into the publics interest. A movie will not do this.

People will join over the next couple weeks and a lot of them will say they googled the stuff from Inception, but they will probably try to LD for like 2 nights, fail, then leave and forget about lucid dreaming forever.

This. Exactly this.

People who did not searched for it in first place - but it was brought to them by a movie or something else - will loose interest fast, will try for like a week or less, and give up becouse it's ''not working as they thought it would

Yeah, LD is rather complex, require lots of patience and thinking. Most people won't have the time and intelligence to learn it from a forum (really dreamviews is like the only popular source to learn it from). It is true that LD has became a bit more popular lately (lol I myself found out about it 2 days ago while lurking /r/) maybe get some hundreds more people into LD at most

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It won't happen, but what you're expressing is nothing but a bit of egoism. Part of your attraction to lucid dreaming is how esoteric it is. You apparently want to be a apart of something "special" (maybe more than you appreciate the phenomenon itself? That is undetermined, though, as of yet). Whether lucid dreaming is underground or mainstream really should have no bearing on you. If you appreciate lucid dreaming for its merits, and not just because it's something "cool and underground", then you would (most likely) want others to experience it. If not, you would have to concede that a huge draw toward LDing, for you, is that it's underground - which kind of cheapens the whole experience, in your case.

I really can't relate. I want to spread LDing love where ever I go! I want people to get the chance to experience this amazing phenomenon.

I think as others have said, many people will come here after seeing Inception and be disappointed that they can't achieve an LD in a short period of time, it's a bit like the Gym joining syndrome after the Christmas break, people join a Gym and try it for a month to lose weight but all they lose is money! It's a shame really because after your very first LD you want it even more! At least you get a feel for how awesome it can be.

I must admit though I like telling people about it whenever I can but it's hard putting it into words how amazing the feeling is.
The only way people will try lucid dreaming en masse is when some day the ability to record our lucidity is possible Imagine uploading your exploits to youtube lol, you'd get millions of hits!

Originally Posted by Elkfazer

I think as others have said, many people will come here after seeing Inception and be disappointed that they can't achieve an LD in a short period of time, it's a bit like the Gym joining syndrome after the Christmas break, people join a Gym and try it for a month to lose weight but all they lose is money! It's a shame really because after your very first LD you want it even more! At least you get a feel for how awesome it can be.

I must admit though I like telling people about it whenever I can but it's hard putting it into words how amazing the feeling is.
The only way people will try lucid dreaming en masse is when some day the ability to record our lucidity is possible Imagine uploading your exploits to youtube lol, you'd get millions of hits!

It would be pretty sweet to be able to record LDs of shooting energy beams, flying and whatnot; but it wouldn't convey that amazing feeling of being conscious and inside it.

About the OP, on one hand I would love for everyone to learn how to LD because it is just so fun and awsome, but on the other I think it being little known to the masses makes it even more rewarding once you finally get it!

Originally Posted by MatrixMaster92

About the OP, on one hand I would love for everyone to learn how to LD because it is just so fun and awsome, but on the other I think it being little known to the masses makes it even more rewarding once you finally get it!

Yes i agree. I'm not saying that i want to be the only person in the world who can LD, just that i don't want everyone to talk about this, because i want it to be my secret kinda.. and i only want to talk about it to the people who i know would be interested and i trust.

It's that i don't want to be just part of the crowd. I like it when I have or know something that others don't.

Have you guys ever liked a song before it got popular, but you've heard it so many times after that you got bored? Or you never liked the song in the first place but after some years, you listen to it again, and it sounds good, because you don't hear it every day. I don't want Lucid Dreaming to be the next way to "get high" or hallucinate. While i know it is hard to achieve (talking from experience of course), I'm still not happy about the whole Inception thing. But what do I know? I haven't seen it yet. I might come back from the cinema and say everyone should watch it.

There are alot of different ways to take this.

We probably will get alot of influx from the movie. That's just bound to happen, but i totally agree with a few others here that alot of those people will try LDing out for size and realize how hard it is and then go back to their busy lives. I will say, however, that I will try to help out as many of them as I can !

The worst thing that can happen is that the movie will inspire alot of misconceptions about dreaming. In fact, i'm pretty sure it already has. So alot of what we will be busy with here is trying to correct those. We may not be a shadowy organization (as much as that would be cool) but we are important in that we can help make sure that people have access to a truthful idea of dreaming and the potentialities of lucid dreaming.

I actually fully understand the idea of wanting to keep lucid dreaming within a small circle. One of the draws for me is that it is a science in the process of being studied, and I am helping to study it. Maybe one day people around the world will be lucid dreaming every night, and I can say that I was one of the first. As great as it is, I don't think it should be an evangelical thing. I quite honestly enjoy telling my friends that I can spin dreams, and laughing at their looks of astonishment. I think it's something that we can share with those close to us, but sharing with the world would take a bit of the magic and mystery out of being an oneironaut.

Sorry if it sounds selfish, but that's just my mindset.

I agree and disagree. On one hand I totally understand what you mean by kind of wanting it to be an underground thing. Not many people are willing to commit the effort it takes to learn to LD, and a lot of new people kind of take it as a novelty thing. But, I personally think that it would be great if more people became interested and actually took it serious. Like I think the big influx of people would be good but, oh god, if I see one more question about totems or dream levels... The worst thing is, is totems aren't even supposed to make you lucid (and won't), and dream levels are pure Hollywood.

So basically I think lucid dreaming is a great thing and the more people the better, but I miss the days before the forum was swarmed by Inception fans. (I lurked a little for over a year before I joined)

I think everyone should learn how to lucid dream when they are kids. Like, a subject in school. There is just so much goddamn potential...but alas...instead we must learn a shit ton of other useless stupid crap that we just end up forgetting within a few months.

I agree, putting lucid dream into education is a good idea

Originally Posted by Xegar

For some reason, i feel like if something is very popular, i don't like it that much. If everyone was talking about Lucid Dreaming, it would get boring and not so awesome because it wouldn't be a rare thing. Am i mean or selfish to think this way?
I haven't seen Inception yet, but i'm going to watch it soon. I'm afraid that those millions of people who watch it will all search about the topic and in a year everyone will be talking about their recent WILD attempts on the street.
Do they actually say "lucid dream" in the movie? Do you think it will make people dive into the subject? I know it would probably be good for Dream Views, but still.. i want to keep Lucid Dreaming sort of an underground thing

(i bet i will have a month long dry spell for this)

So are you saying that you only like lucid dreaming because it isn't popular... You should lucid dream because it is fun and you can do anything you want in it. I tried to advertise it by writing in sharpie "Google: Lucid Dreaming" in the bathroom stall. The god dam janitors kept cleaning it off though... I wrote it more then once but eventually I gave up.

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

So are you saying that you only like lucid dreaming because it isn't popular... You should lucid dream because it is fun and you can do anything you want in it. I tried to advertise it by writing in sharpie "Google: Lucid Dreaming" in the bathroom stall. The god dam janitors kept cleaning it off though... I wrote it more then once but eventually I gave up.

lol when the janitors actually do clean the bathroom stalls, it gets rid of an LD ad. try scratching it into the stall, like with something sharp, see how they like that!

Hi guys, I'm kind of new to the forums, but I've been lurking. I think that lucid dreaming should be put as an optional class, because not everybody might like dreaming so much. Now about inception, yeah, many fans are gonna show up here, but most of them will give up after trying it for a bit. And Xegar, I totally get you on wanting it to be underground, because it doesn't feel that special later on, but in reality many people would benefit from this.

There are people who only listen to how a thing is said, and not what is said. For example, take scripture, pro or con, it clearly states that it is sealed to man's understanding, yet people do not react to the content, to the intentions, but only to what is popular about it.

Or take the Yoga Sutras, originally written by a non-religious Sanskrit Scholar, and translated beyond the recognition of its content.

Or even audio-books, it is not what is said, but the fact that it is read by a person, or by a machine language font system.

A real quest for understanding learns to disregard whether or not a thing is said by a rock, satan himself, or whether it is popular or not. He simply seeks understanding and truth of the matter. There will always be fools who follow the Pied Piper, and simply a few who hear the music of clear reality.

The most common bird in existence is the parrot. The rarest is a man.

Dude, if everyone globally were all taught meditation and lucid dreaming in elementary school... imagine how different the world would be.

So much potential that humanity will never achieve... le sigh.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to take over the world and make them do it for their own good.

Originally Posted by Lakona

Dude, if everyone globally were all taught meditation and lucid dreaming in elementary school... imagine how different the world would be.

So much potential that humanity will never achieve... le sigh.

Oh well, guess I'll just have to take over the world and make them do it for their own good.

Or in Biblical style, would that everyone were a prophet. Or in Philosophical, would that everyone were a philosopher.

I quite agree. However, along with it, I would state that language is the key to self-realization.

Lucid dreaming is a language.

One of the main reasons I put my lucid dream research on hold. I was learning to understand and communicate. Now this put before me an important question. Man did not know the fundamentals of the languages he did use. The language of the lucid dream is much, much more difficult. So, if I were in fact learning the harder, then it had to be possible to understand and write the principles of the less, something man has been unable to do. So, either I was blowing smoke up my ass, or I had a very important task to perform.