Thread: Am I a rapist?

Originally Posted by Puffin

Expectation is everything in a dream. You expect a DC to do the chicken dance, and they will. I know that from experience.

I've seen several people say the same thing. I find it interesting. What few lucid dreams I have had have been brief. I've noticed that very simple passing thoughts in my mind during the dream will suddenly alter the reality of the dream, while an conscious effort sometimes will not. Makes me feel like a wizard in training

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

I've seen several people say the same thing. I find it interesting. What few lucid dreams I have had have been brief. I've noticed that very simple passing thoughts in my mind during the dream will suddenly alter the reality of the dream, while an conscious effort sometimes will not. Makes me feel like a wizard in training

You acknowledge the truth of it, but ignore the implications of it. Because of my low self esteem, when I see a girl in my dream I expect that she's going to reject me. Therefore, when I make a move on a girl in a dream, she rejects me, simply because I expected it. So should I never be able to have sex in a dream?

Originally Posted by Prince_RIP

You acknowledge the truth of it, but ignore the implications of it. Because of my low self esteem, when I see a girl in my dream I expect that she's going to reject me. Therefore, when I make a move on a girl in a dream, she rejects me, simply because I expected it. So should I never be able to have sex in a dream?

Well, you've got two choices I guess.

1) Repair your self esteem
or
2) Just rape dream women

The choice is up to you, but the good thing about option number one is that it's going to have an affect on you both inside and outside the dream world.

(edit: there's also option number three, which is total abstinence, which we all know totally sucks)

Originally Posted by Prince_RIP

You acknowledge the truth of it, but ignore the implications of it. Because of my low self esteem, when I see a girl in my dream I expect that she's going to reject me. Therefore, when I make a move on a girl in a dream, she rejects me, simply because I expected it. So should I never be able to have sex in a dream?

No, I see the implications of it. Being moral doesn't always mean doing what you like. People cannot be moral 100% of the time. They can't. Being moral is the act of trying to be.

It is not about what is good or evil it is about what is, something constant, that can not be changed and suppressed.

Oh, if all was so simple!
Let me tell you something about the conscious mind - it is always opened to the subconscious, so how can you truly be sure that even when you are turning on the logic center, your desicions are not influenced by it?
There is a very deep connection between these two minds which let’s face it, is yet to be explored.

If you think that you are obligated to use LD to fight it, then you have doomed yourself to a failure.
It is impossible to destroy these instincts by ignoring them, even if you do learn to LD at will, even if all of your dreams are lucid. In this way you just bottle it up, and trust me when I say it will find a way to come up again.That is why I find it to be dangerous.
You think it is a question of morality, should it or shouldn’t it apply in the dream world?
I think it is a question of how far can you meddle with things you do not understand, like the function of the subconscious?


I understand your point of view, and I don't think you are an idiot, but sice we are on opposite sides of the road, I do find your lack of knownlege about yourself quite insulting.

Originally Posted by Ade

It is not about what is good or evil it is about what is, something constant, that can not be changed and suppressed.

Oh, if all was so simple!
Let me tell you something about the conscious mind - it is always opened to the subconscious, so how can you truly be sure that even when you are turning on the logic center, your desicions are not influenced by it?
There is a very deep connection between these two minds which let’s face it, is yet to be explored.

If you think that you are obligated to use LD to fight it, then you have doomed yourself to a failure.
It is impossible to destroy these instincts by ignoring them, even if you do learn to LD at will, even if all of your dreams are lucid. In this way you just bottle it up, and trust me when I say it will find a way to come up again.That is why I find it to be dangerous.
You think it is a question of morality, should it or shouldn’t it apply in the dream world?
I think it is a question of how far can you meddle with things you do not understand, like the function of the subconscious?


I understand your point of view, and I don't think you are an idiot, but sice we are on opposite sides of the road, I do find your lack of knownlege about yourself quite insulting.

By your logic, nothing we do can be changed. We should just give in to every desire or impulse we have because if we don't, it is dangerous. The subconscious is the almighty ruler of the brain and we have no free will. Am I understanding this right?

In real life do as you please, think what you please. An impulse is something far more less than an instinct.
O.k let me put this in a more simple way...There are some primitive animal instincts which have been suppresed by the conscious mind from a very early age. There are also many layers of the subconscious, which are unreachable for the conscious mind and other layers of the subconscious.
The bottom layer of subconsciousness is the collective unconscious, it is also the place for these "repressed weaknesses" - archetypes (I am refering to this one perticular "weakness").
Usually they are projected on to other people in reall life and on to other DC in dreams, but a persons action can be overwhelmed by these "evil impulses" in moments of indecision( even lucid moments).
The point is, your obsession with good and evil can push things like that aside in every day life(in theory), but to the deeper levels of the subconscious it means nothing. When exactly did it become a question of who rules what? It is just he way it works.
You don't have to fight it or accept it, but acknowledge it as a fact.

Shame, guilt, pride, fear, hate, envy, need, and greed are inevitable byproducts of ego-building. They call forth the polarity of inferiority feeling and power drive. They are the shadow aspects of the first emancipation of the ego. -- Edward C. Whitmont