Rationality has no place in this thread. Just say it is the most common or widely-accepted explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
Rationality has no place in this thread. Just say it is the most common or widely-accepted explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
well, when i say "i can hardly sleep" it means it takes me longer than usual to get to sleep. it doesn't mean i wake up feeling like i just ran a marathon, just gets a LITTLE harder to get up in the morning. (which is not that noticeable seeing as i already wanna roll over and smash my alarm clock with a hammer every morning then go back to sleep.) i guess you should just enjoy this stuff, and i think i'm ready to let this go without a logical explaination. :)
Well, perhaps "simplest" would be a better word. Though not impossible, some other force or entity would require a much more complex explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
I don't know that I would agree that rationality has no place in this thread. But it seems to me we've been through this before, and I think it is all a disagreement over definitions.
AAAAH...
Rationality is so confuzzling.
I lie.
I agree with you; it would be better classified as the simplest definition. Also, I feel that Atkins has already settled the rationality argument. It's a bit further back in the thread in case you haven't seen it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
haha... I was totally thinking this to myself.. Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
Sorry about that... I've pretty much been guessing what theses terms mean based off peoples dream journals. Is there a wiki where I can get clued in on the definitions and explanations of these terms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
Get ready for another facepalm moment!... Yes; it's at the top of the page, right next to the "Dream Journal" tab.Quote:
Originally Posted by tokolak
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3mACnZBMOn...leFacePalm.jpg
This isn't my day is it... I guess I should read it before I start sounding more dense.
Yes, that would be advised.Quote:
Originally Posted by tokolak
what he said made perfect sense to me, i don't understand why everyone would be calling the poor fella stupid.
I never said he was stupid, I just said he should try to learn his terms before he posts. It made sense to me, too, but it doesn't work with what Hyu was describing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
well it just sorta looked like it... i'm a naturally lazy person, so i'm just gonna avoid an argument here, apologize for any offense, and leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
In the Western World, we are taught to believe that all dreams are just figments of our imaginations. We just accept this idea blindly.
(Is this what you were referring to, Snowboy?)Quote:
I have been a member of dreamviews for a while now. I have hours of personal research + about 80 Lucid Dreams to my experience. I am blown away by your post. So first of all let me comment on some of the things that have been said here. Logic has no place in this forum. Go ask your neighbor if having out of body experiences and being able to control that is logical or if he thinks it is "rational" to believe this is possible? Lets see how rational things become in anyone's eyes at the point you start telling everyone you know about these experiences? Second of all, for someone who has VERY LITTLE lucid experience to tell you how you need be more realistic and "rational" about how you perceive the dream world and/or the characters in it is a joke. You have more experience yet someone with far less gives you advice in a way that sounds as they know better? lol. We are all here to offer our opinions and help to one another, but to outwardly suggest that a certain idea or philosophy is not rational is an ignorant way to position one's self. The very topic we speak of is not rational to most people. The capabilities of the dream world are very open not only to interpretation but to possibility.
I have to respectfully disagree here. To say that logic and rationality has no place in this forum is to say we will no longer be looking for answers. How can you explain a phenomenon if you don't take all the evidence into account and base your judgement on what is most supported by facts? If we all just give our opinions without objectively weighing them in a search for the truth, we can't get anywhere.
As I say, I think it's an argument over definition. Atkins is defining "rational" and "logical" as something more subjective than I am.
Now let's look at an illustration:
I wake up one morning, and the ground is white. Glancing out the window, I conlcude it has snowed. Does that mean it's impossible that someone came along with a paint sprayer during the night and painted everything white? No, but it is more rational to say that the evidence points towards the snow theory.
In a similar way, if Hyu dreams of a girl who says she is real, it is more likely that it is just a dream character saying "I'm real". Nothing Hyu has described is outside the realm of what is possible for any dream derived purely from the activity of Hyu's own mind. It would be irrational to conclude that something radically different is going on here. But at the same time it would be irrational to say that I know for a fact that nothing radically different is going on here. However, the "law" of parsimony says that the most simplistic answer is most likely the truth. So it would be rational to say that the second hypothesis is more likely.
If lucid dreaming is to ever make progress as a science, we have to have to make sure we are grounded in logical thinking. It can be an art without logic, which is all that some are after. There is nothing wrong with that. But to get answers, the best method is to apply a scientific approach. At least that's how I see it.
By the way tokolak, don't worry if people seem hard on you in this forum. You will find that people here are pretty plain spoken, and will tell you exactly what they think. Which, in my opinion, is a good thing.
:clap: Very well put, I agree with that 100%. It is perfectly possible for Yuya to be a seperate entity, but not as likely. That doesn't mean I am saying that she is just a figment of Hyus imagination, it just means that is the most likely. Why is it more likely, well because the brain is fully capable of creating very believable feelings and situations. Rationality is nothing to frown upon, and doesn't mean you are close minded, it actually means the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
that's what i've been thinking exactly. cedward, you put that in a way i never could have. :thumbup:
"We are all here to offer our opinions and help to one another, but to outwardly suggest that a certain idea or philosophy is not rational is an ignorant way to position one's self."
I believe this sums up what I meant by my statement. Of course logic isn't bad. Of course scientific explanation is wanted and needed. In fact I personally look for the "logical" scientific explanation in all of this. However, the reason I said what I did was because one person in particular stated his opinion in a way that presumably ruled out every other possible explanation and in a way that Postulated any opinion other than of a scientific nature was unintelligent. There is no place in these forums for complete closed mindedness. We should allow everyone to offer their own ideas without telling them they are stupid. The most useful thing about these forums are that there are so many minds coming together with so many different ideas, opinions, and solutions that we are able to make forward progression throughout the whole forum over time. We should all work together offering our thoughts without negating the entire system. :)
Back to the original point. Lets just enjoy the stories as they come :)
:offtopic:
I thought this thread was about a recurring DC?
Right on. Hence my point of "Back to the original point" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Caden
Update: Riding a Gryphon through a canyon with Yuya - Who was Selene?
I've had a few more cool dreams while I was gone (none with Yuya), but since I was hanging out with friends I wasn't really able to write them down.
It would have been pretty awkward to do so with them around. :/
I wonder if "waking thoughts" really do destabilize the dream?
It does make sense in some way, and it would explain why my dreams with Yuya last longer than others.
Does anyone else have experiences with this? If you really focus on the dream world, and fully believe that you're actually there, not thinking about waking life at all, will it make the dream last longer?
Interesting read...
I haven't ever entered the Deep Dreaming Sleep. But that's because I am just starting off with shared dreaming. I have only had one; hopefully I will have more later.
cool. i'm about to set out on a quest to see for myself if these places really are real.
This is fun/cool/awesome etc. to read and all... but what exactly you think about all of this yourself. Huy?
And with that I mean: I personally think it's all just made up by your subconscious and stuff, not "another place" like dimension or whatever.
But I am interested to hear, that what you think of it?
Hey Hyu, you should ask Yuya if it is possible for her to jog your memory somehow. I doubt it is possible, but I think it would result in a very interesting experience. What ever Yuya is, she sounds very special. I would ask her all kinds of questions, probably to the point of annoyance lol. :P
Well... this is quite hard to answer, but I will try.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyperAleksi
Be prepared for a wall of text though...
You already know how I feel about it during the dreams (everything feels real), but being awake I have a split opinion about it.
Some background information: (tl;dr)
I know I had many lucid dreams as a child. I also knew Yuya was in some of them.
I also remember that a lot of dreams played in a fantasy world.
When I first had these dreams I was very young, though I can't tell you how old I was.
During that time (and basically up to a few months ago), I had no-one to talk to. (when I was a child, people would tell me I made up these stories)
To make things worse I didn't fully understand the difference between dreaming and waking life.
Don't get me wrong, I could easily tell them apart, and I knew my dreams wouldn't influence my waking life, but I didn't know that dreams were "not real".
I always assumed sometimes at night I would just live another life.
As I grew older, I started trying to rationalize dreams.
I didn't know that expectations played a role... I didn't know anything at all.
At some point I decided that none of it was real, mostly because that's what I was taught, "dreams aren't real".
My dream recall decreased dramatically, down to maybe a dream per month, non of which played in a fantasy world or anything (but I did have an occasional lucid dream).
I missed these dreams though. Even though I knew they were a figment of my imagination, they were awesome.
At the age of 24 I quite randomly got introduced to lucid dreaming by a girl studying sleep disorders (she's a lucid dreamer).
I assumed everyone had occasional lucid dreams up to this point, but that for some reason I couldn't understand, everyone was afraid to talk about it.
She explained quite a few things related to lucid dreaming to me, and I ended up researching more on the subject.
I quickly started having lucid dreams again, mostly using the DILD technique, but I also had some successful experiments with WILD.
After some time I realized that there was a recurring DC in my dreams, which marked the creation of this thread.
Well... actually I've known for a bit longer, but I was too afraid to post, especially since I was a new member.
My thoughts:
Everything I have experienced can be rationalized in a non-supernatural way:
- A recurring DC is nothing abnormal in lucid dreams
- After remembering some of my childhood dreams, I may have subconsciously expected Yuya to be this DC, and expected her to do everything she did.
- These memories that keep popping up in my dreams lately may either be real memories of childhood dreams, or they may be "false memories".
- Reading some of WakingNomad's DJ entries I expected these kind of "overwhelming" lucid dreams to be absolutely possible.
- In the lucids I had featuring Yuya, I was overwhelmed to the point where I nearly forgot about waking life. This could explain why everything I experienced felt "real".
- As a child I was super creative, I used to make up tons of fantasy stories and was daydreaming all the time. This could explain the dreams I had as a child; I may have unknowingly incubated my dreams.
The list goes on, but you get the idea.
I'm an atheist (but not against the idea of believing), I'm a scientist, so I'm thinking to myself: "this makes sense... right?"
However, I'm very open minded (or at least I like to think that I am).
I like to rely on scientific facts, but when there are none, I don't mind speculations.
So my thoughts are these:
Over the past few hundred years, we've been taught a lot of bs, so why wouldn't "dreams aren't real" be part of that?
There are no scientific facts that prove or favor either idea.
The list I posted above may very well explain everything, but so might the existence of the dream plane (and her being a separate entity).
Saying that the list is more rational to favor that theory seemed good at first, but now it feels too much based on the "dreams aren't real" statement.
Since there are no scientific facts I cannot dismiss either of them.
And that's pretty much where I'm stuck at.
I know that with the way things are right now, I have no way to find out the truth... regardless of what I experience in my dreams, regardless of the experiments I undertake.
I don't know if this counts as an answer, but I really feel like I can't get anywhere past that.
I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions. :P
I'm planning on doing that one day, and I don't really doubt that it's possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
She's done it before to some extend, though they are usually more like memories of feelings, abilities, or an overall scenario / description of an event, not like a scene from a movie.
Then again this makes sense, memories in waking life work in a similar way.
I love how rational you are. I had the same thoughts when I first encountered Selene. The difference is I had already encountered other dreamers from DV in confirmed shared dreams, and we encountered other entities together. I did not know the difference between dreams and waking life until I was around 7 or 8 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Also, "Dreams are all in your head," - where did this idea come from? (rhetorical)
In many cultures they believe in the Dream Plane Theory in different ways.
Alright, thanks for the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
This whole thing is so incredible and outstanding, it almost makes me cry that I haven't had any lucids like this, or even ones with control. :cry:
But hey, keep us posted. And... wish me luck. :)
This is an important piece of information, thanks for mentioning this!Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
Then let me say a few (hopefully) encouraging words.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyperAleksi
Although I had little trouble having lucid dreams again, they were very short, and most of them weren't very interesting (with some exceptions).
The recurring DC thing was intriguing, but it didn't really feel that special, possibly because she looked different in every dream... I don't really know.
Reading WakingNomad's DJ I got the confidence to overcome the "train of thought barrier" that having such dreams is something super special and very hard to achieve.
I believe that if I can overcome this barrier, so can you and everyone else.
Try to get rid of the "incredible and outstanding" train of thought, I personally think that it's poisonous.
Think of this as something that's holding you back, and completely disregard it.
I bet you already have experienced ridiculous things in your dreams that completely violate the laws of physics, so why shouldn't you be able to "make it happen" in lucids?
Believe that you already have all the powers you need. (you do!)
Picture how awesome it will be when you manage whatever you're trying to do, look forward to it, anticipate it.
Good luck with your lucid dreams!
Thank you very much. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Have a shared dream someday. It will help confirm your belief in the dream plane. It has for me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
I probably will, but first I want to settle down a bit, and get a better understanding of my current dreams. (that is, increase my confidence while in the dream)
I wouldn't know who to try it with though, I don't really have the confidence to try it with someone on these forums and
I only know one lucid dreamer personally whom I don't have much contact with.
Just find somebody, ask them if they want to dream-share, and go with it. Either that or you can join Dreamcatchers. Right now we are doing something that involves SDing. Or you can contact one of the more well-known SDers and ask them for help with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
"Dreams aren't real" is probably more likely, but there's no proof and vice versa. Your words really got me into thinking too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Here is something that people may find interesting
Australian Aborigine Dream Beliefs
Australian Aborigine Dream Beliefs | Dream Encyclopedia | dreamhawk.com
But this one is even more interesting
Islamic Dream Traditions
Islamic Dream Traditions | Dream Encyclopedia | dreamhawk.com
Well if you believe in spirit guides next time you see her ask her Are you my spirit guide, or if thats not to your liking ask her are you my dream guide, or if you want just ask who are you
Thanks for those links, I'll be sure to check them out if I get some free time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Caden
I've already asked her, she clearly stated that she is an entity inhabiting the world I was visiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mynameraulduke
Maybe you should ask her to visit earth sometimes...
I actually forgot to write this down in my DJ, so cool that you just made me remember! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winamp
She asked if I could show her earth one day. She's especially intrigued by car's because she's never seen anything alike, and she really wants to drive one.
Wow, cool :)
I hope she is a decent driver... wear a helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
I wish the dream plane was real, but who knows, maybe it is. It would bring a lot of chaos so it probably has a border if it were real.
What is the dream plane, anyway.
I'm really enjoying this thread and I thank you for regularly posting your experiences as it is very inspiring for my self and I'm sure it is very inspiring for other Lucid Dreamers that are also in the same situation as me.
Your experiences really are mindblowing and help to increase my determination to LD and to improve my DR so much!
I started to LD when I was 17, when I first found out about the subject, I am now 19 and unfortunately due to being a student and in employment, suddenly managed to take myself away from the idea however I am back to keeping a dream journal, and plan to LD much more frequently now with specific aims and expectations in mind....
I really look forward to your future posts :)
Cliff
It has a border, your imagination.Quote:
I wish the dream plane was real, but who knows, maybe it is. It would bring a lot of chaos so it probably has a border if it were real.
Man, I am really enjoying this thread, been keeping me busy the last few days to get to the end of it.
But this partially proves a theory of mine that I came up with a year or two ago. This theory is basically of how life works, and what happens when you die.
The idea of this is that we are in a tangled chain of lives and when we die we are born into another. But there is a main world (That I will call the "Home World"), and life that each "real" person has, but every now and then we go into these "secondary" lives, like what we are in now, for some reason (to maybe learn about something). When one of your secondary lives is over, you either go back to the Home World, or start another secondary life, its quite random. In the Home World, everyone and everything is absolutely perfect in every way. In the Home World we all have spouses that we are tied to, they could not be separated at all because they are both perfect for each other. Only one of each couple can be in a secondary life at a time, so you are very likely to meet the other in your dreams, where they are a separate being from your imagination. Since you are "Tied" to them, your dream world is accessible to them as a slimmed down version of the Home World. Most of the people in the secondary worlds are fake, as if a very powerful DC from a dream. There is a bit much more to it, but thats all I can think of for now.
The rest of the post assumes that the theory is true.
Hyu, you ARE one of the very few "Real" people on earth, and Yuya is the woman tied to you, my guess is everyone who has a true experience like yours is one too. The world you are exploring with her is most probably Home, a place I have been wanting to see for a long time. I am very sure that we are of the same kind, I am yet to meet my "Tie" or see Home (Or at least that I remember) in my dreams, which I want to. I am very sure I am "Real", as you are, because one day when I was walking through the park my senses got very fuzzy and my brain was filled with some very faint information, some very faint images of "Her", some info about myself, and this whole "Theory". For instance, at Home I am 24.
By the way, if Yuya is what it seems she is (at least to me), where you have no control over her but vice versa, she is a separate entity, and she is from another world, you have partially proven* my theory.
*No posting "IT CAN'T BE PROVED!!!" or anything, I don't mean that, I am saying that this could possibly mean that my ideals are possible. This "Theory" IS the way I think and go about life, you have just made me believe in it more, thanks Hyu.
Don't be so quick to rule out that she may be ur higher self. If it is indeed just a dream guide what reason does she have to enter your dreams. Spirits are generally not dumb. They do things for a reason, u may want to ponder on that.
What makes you more real than me? I have consciousness, I believe myself to be real. I don't like the whole theory that most people are DCs and only some are real. Even if I am a DC I would still consider myself real because I have feelings, I make decisions, and I have a consciousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
well, don't most DCs think they're real? i DO personally agree with you. i think that when you die, you go to heaven, or hell, not to some other world. but THAT can't be proven either. in any case, if i'm a DC, i'm a dang good one. good enough to fool me anyway. but yeah, i also have memories, so that's why i believe myself to be "real". anyways, we're going off topic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
Where you have dreams??Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
I never said said that exactly, I said assuming it is true it is Possible you are like that. And once again ASSUMING that it is true, what if it just so happens all "Real" people are attracted to Dreamviews, but you just haven't had any experience yet to follow the princables of my Theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
My DCs don't, they actually conspire against me to keep me ignorant that I am dreaming. When I realize that I am dreaming, they all turn hostile and say something like "he figured it out, get him" and then they attack me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
Nice use of bold letters. :cheeky: I never said that you claimed it as fact, I just said I didn't like the whole DC part of your theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
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Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Very interesting idea. I went through a very similar experience to what Hyu is going through. I found out that this woman, Selene, is not only real. She's my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
As far as some people being "real" I suspect those are simply others who have a similar vibration to you being from the same homeworld.
Thank you. And yes, I did mean they don't have the ability to go `Home`, DC was a poorly chosen word, and I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
Ok, what if `Home` IS Heaven, and every now and then the inhabitants of Heaven pop down to check on the place? Does that cope with your mind? (I don't mean that rudely)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
What about hell, is that where the DCs go! God, the nerve of you! I am disgusted, you claim that only a few chosen go to heaven and the rest of us go to hell because we are DCs! You sir are an arrogant son of a bitch!Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Whoa Easy. It is a theory, just like religion itself. God is a Theory. Jesus is a theory. The Devil is a theory. Agnostic based ideas are theory. There is absolutely no sustainable proof in any of this. So you are getting angry over what is, in fact, a theory. There may not be a heaven, hell, god, or devil, let alone a dream plane, a "home" or otherwise. These are all theories and I would suggest you also see it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
Hey, hey, hey, I never said anything like that. But I see how you think that so I apologize anyway. And what I said in that previous post was no way what I meant, after I posted it I tried to delete it because what I said there was WAAAY off, but it stayed there. I posted everything that I learned when this theory popped into my head. When it came to me no knowledge of what happens to people who aren't part of `Home`.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
Are you supporting his claims that so mny people who have their own consciousness may not be real? Yes I see that it is a theory but it still seems outlandish to say that a living thinking person could be not real. I wont say it is impossible but it doesnt seem likely to me.
But I still respect your and you are entitled to them
Oh and jesus isnt a theory. jesus was a person.
It was joke guys, my first post still stands. But the one where I was raging was just a joke. I was just kidding. I am kind of a Troll sometimes... :P
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Ahh, I just noticed a little booboo in my post about the whole theory.
Change that in your mind to:Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
And all of the information on this theory I have provided, came to me as if it were a day dream or something, I never thought "Ok, I need to come up with a possible theory of how life Might work", so I don't want to mess with it by saying things that I consciously came up with to help explain it. But if I were to, I would say `Non-Homelanders" cycle through lives, but like past lives kind of deal (Hasn't the past lives thing been proven anyway?), and if this theory is in fact true, I would hope that non-"Homelanders" get to re-cycle through life too. I didn't mean to be a jerk, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Hyu, this is off topic, but what is the name of the picture you use as your avatar? I like it.
Anyhow, the talk of my theory is WAAAAY off topic, when I posted it I figured only a few posts later the talk of Hyu's dream would occur again, so let that be.
Yea. I think we are waiting on him to "continue" haha.. maybe there is something new in his DJ but I haven't looked.
Yes, Jesus is in fact a theory. Not just the biblical version but the fact that there ever was a Jesus cannot be backed other than the fact that Jesus was a common name of those times... there is no historical record of a Jesus Christ nor of a Savior born from a virgin, and there were many Historians living at the time who lived within earshot, yet even though they wrote of many many occurrences of the time, they never mention this supposed historical phenomena..
I'm not here to debate Jesus, or religion... where is Hyu with another awesome story about Yuya? lol
alright yeah Im ready to hear more about Yuya as well lol. Im glad we are all civil here and were able to quickly get back on topic
ME 3!!!! i wanna hear more about this stuff too. find out more about what's goin' on. HYU? where you at???
Come on Hyu, I'm bored. Please tell us more.
Don't pester him too much, he might get performance anxiety. :cheeky:
Hyu, as I read you are into game development, so making a game of Yuya would be an excellent way to keep a dream journal. This whole idea would make a wonderful game. I am into game development too and I would be more than delighted to assist you.
This thread is very popular, and you guys are going off-topic to keep you guys busy, lol. Yeah, can't wait for another story of Yuya, kinda inspires me to write a story or something.
Hyu, next time you see Yuya you need to ask her about my theory, see if its true.
*calls massive crowd of people* HYU! HYU! HYU! HYU! *countinues chanting Hyu* lol yeah, a videogame with Yuya! and monsters, and guns, and shooting!!! and/or swords!!! or fighting like you did! that'd be awesome! you'd have to make it for PC though! if you do this i will DEFINENTLY play it!!!
P.S. i apologize if i seemed too pushy. :cheeky:
*Joins in*
HYU HYU HYU HYU HYU HYU HYU........................etc etc
Give Yuya a wave from me :wink:
That's an interesting theory, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
I found it on google image search... sorry, I have no idea what the original name or source of the picture is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
I have contemplated making an indie game about dreaming for some time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
A bit of a Myst type game where you visit ridiculous worlds, following "dream logic" to some extend.
It's not really doable in a reasonable period of time though, it requires way too many models and artwork, so I'll keep working on simpler projects instead. (I need to average a certain amount of projects per semester)
Update:
I've actually had 2 more lucid dreams with Yuya, which I have not posted.
They were rather personal (we were talking about decisions I've made in my life, mostly the ones I really regret) and I don't really feel comfortable posting them.
I have however posted my most recent lucid: (long :3)
Spending a night on Teraluna
It was by far the longest lucid I've ever had. (I've actually been experimenting with ways to prolong my dream time)
I've actually had a full dinner in the dream and ended up spending the night.
I also had my first dream within a dream, which I'm pretty sure was about a dream memory.
I really felt like having lucids lasting for over an hour was possible, but I have to admit I was actually quite surprised that I ended up having one.
Holy shit, this is starting to get more romantic! I have a hard time believing this is all happening in a Lucid Dream. It just seems, too real and too logical... BTW, You went to sleep in the dream, had a dream within a dream, and woke up the next day in the dream, that is so bad ass!
Dude, that's awesome. I am going to school to get into the computer animation program. Raven Knight and Warrior Tiger just graduated with B.S. degrees in video game design!Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
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Hyu, thank you for posting all your dreams. Amazing.
This just shows that game developers/designers are a creative bunch of people. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
In game design classes, my recent game ideas and concept papers have actually been inspired by dreams quite a lot, it really helps. :)
I recently got my B.S. in Game Development and am currently working on a M.S.
And... seriously, thank you for posting your dreams! I wouldn't be where I am right now without all the inspiration and confidence boost I got from reading your DJ.
Very interesting posts Hyu. I haven't tried lucid dreaming for a couple years, but have gotten quite a lot of inspiration from your thread to do so. :)
Ive been to sleep in a dream before and had another dream then woke back up in the first dream. It wasnt until I woke back up that I realized it was a dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
Why thank you, you must ask Yuya about it for me, and see how true it is (assuming she is in fact a separate entity and what she says she is).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Why not hire a bunch of 3D modelers and graphics artists? On the XNA forums you can find a large handful that would do it for FREE. And you could do it as a secondary project, and work on a bunch of others at the same time. If you do decide to make this I WILL assist in anyway possible. And if you sell it on steam and Xbox Live Indie Games, you could earn a GREAT amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
You guys should talk to Raven Knight and Warrior Tiger. How about a puzzle game based on dream combat?Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Yeah, like some kind of a turn-based game.
I think it would be awesome :)
This has got to be the most interesting/entertaining thing I've ever come across on the internet, lol. I stayed up all night just reading this particular thread and I swear I was open-mouthed the whole time!:popcorn: How riveting...
Hyu, your LDs are absolutely priceless! I would've said Yuya is just your imagination, but this has really got me thinking. She is so complex and so is this Teraluna. I can't believe some people can experience all this in the same world as people who don’t even bother to give their dreams a second thought. Oh so many of us are missing out on the other half of life!!
Your dream experiences have inspired me so greatly that I just had to post something.:yumdumdoodledum:
It's certainly possible to do this. Once you have a cool prototype showing off your gameplay you usually find some people interested in helping you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
However, since I'm currently getting my masters degree, I don't really have the time to do it next to the stuff I have to do for my studies.
I'm kind of flooded with work right now. :/
I love the idea of a dream related game though, it opens an infinite amount of game mechanics possibilities.
Mini update: A look into the mirror
I used to want to do game design. Then I realized I just wanted to do something creative, I really got into books in the last couple of years and now I want to be an author. So my plan is, join the marines infantry for like 4 years, if I don't get blown up by an IED, enlist again in the reserves, hopefully get some sort of a college degree, if I like the marines maybe stay 20 years and get a pension. If I get a pension this would give me time to be an author and write some books, hopefully they are good though. I really want to right a fictional novel about lucid dreaming. :D
Ok, do I at least have the permission to see what I can do with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Seems like it would be pretty hard to find an answer for this without going into the "Is there a higher level of existence?" question, and I think that's a bit too confusing for anyone to discuss. But she may be your SG, she may even be YOU. I have read that you can summon yourself, but one that knows much more than you do. Although I haven't had that much experience with Lucid dreaming, so I can't say for sure. But I think you're very lucky. It isn't just something that you can imagine or summon, it's something that's always there for you. And you never know, she might end up telling you something truly amazing. Instead of trying to find out what she is, I would just try to find out what she knows. Might completely change your perspective on things.
I mean see what I can come up with for a simple game of your experiences with Yuya, like what some of the others in this thread said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
And I was thinking, if you can communicate with Yuya in your dreams, there should be no stopping you from bringing her to your conscious and communicating with her in waking life, you should defiantly try it and see what happens.
What method would you use for this? Wouldnt it be a form of meditation or wild anyway?
Are you referring to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by atkins513
If so, yes, meditation would probably work, but I bet if he can during meditation, he would learn to be able to communicate with her whenever he wants.
It is called being inspired, if you were to change the names and alter the plot a bit, hyu can't do shit!Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
You know Brady, I don't get your form of communication sometimes. At times you are polite and at other times you seem like a complete fool. Just so you know, it's called "respect" and of course you can steal ideas that originated with other people without their permission, but that is also called something. Inconsiderate. I am sure that other's second my suggestion here but show a little more respect please.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
And I also have to state while its on my mind, that your signature seems a little crass for the overall appeal of this site. You should consider changing a couple words, namely the f ones lol.
Of course you can use this as inspiration for a game idea, nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
I'm not really sure about the whole communicating with her in waking life thing...
I mean, it's an interesting idea, but I don't really see how that would work.
Then again, I've never experimented with meditation or anything like that, so maybe I'm not exactly following you.
My views on the world are, how you say, original. About the signature, I don't see a problem with it, if the mods or admins see a problem with it then I will change it, but I haven't been contacted or received any complaints at all. So it stays. Words are words, it wouldn't matter if I said Fuck or I said Screw, they both mean the same thing. People just see something wrong with the word "fuck", there is nothing wrong with the word, there is only something wrong with people. The whole cuss word thing is stupid, it doesn't matter if I say poop or I say shit, it is only that people associate the word with being bad. Free your mind from petty rules of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by atkins513
hmm, i read part of that last dream but stopped when you started singing Phantom of the opera. i've heard part of that song and just the memory of it... *shudders*
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Originally Posted by Hyu
Well, it's your mind. Theoretically you could do anything with your mind, like think "This person will vanish", and your mind could edit your vision to make you not see the person. Someone got rid of their cancer by simply believing it wasn't there. So you could defiantly communicate with someone who lives in your mind. Your mind is your canvas.
wow what kind of uber brain do you have?!
i mean its almost unreal how detailed and lifefull your dreams are!
IM SO JEALOUS LOL!
no but serious! what an amazing adventure!
you must be a natural or something!
i hope i will reach this level of experience aswell some day
Man, imagine talking to your subconscious whenever you want, not that I'm saying Yuya is your subconscious.
If someone does make a game out of this, let me know so I can play, too!
And Hyu, since you mentioned the idea of a Myst sort of game, here's a link to a group of people who are Myst fans and do programming:
Guild of Writers
I'm sure you could find some help in the forum, although it is more geared towards simply creating worlds to explore (i.e. Ages).
I am curious, did you have this level of detail in your dreams before you met Yuya?
Wow, this is pretty cool, I had no idea there was such a big Myst community.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
Well, I can't remember how detailed and vivid my dreams were when I was younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by cedward1
But ever since I started keeping a dream journal (after joining DV) my lucid dreams have quickly become very vivid and detailed.
This was one of the first things I focused on after joining DV, I tried to remember more and more of every single dream I had, which is one reason I keep my DJ entries as detailed as possible.
I started taking mental notes during my lucid dreams of things I wanted to remember like "The ball was red and soft", which became more and more complex over time.
Not all my lucids are this detailed though, but the ones that get me really excited usually are.
nice to know!
i will take note of that
I posted another update: Yuya explains a few things about energy and magic.
I'm so excited :panic:
Cool dude, you're a dragon. I wonder what I am.
BTW, please ask her about my theory, I want to know so badly of what she thinks of it.
:holyshit: :holyshit: :holyshit: AWESOMZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was sweet! i gotta do that sometime, only go all the way!
Gave you another "thanks" Hyu since I used your, or Yuya's, ideas on generating more lucidity and they worked. I don't normally close my eyes as I lost the dream once like this but this time it was awesome! :D I actually remembered you in my LD and tried what you did on Terraluna.
It's just a passing mention but you are given credit in my DJ, thanks!
Hmmm if Yuya is an actual spirit could you try to ask her for me if it would be possible for her to visit someone else? I mean I can understand if you wouldnt want to if it would make you jealous anyone else meeting her. But I would love to meet her because of her being a water goddess. What she was saying about people having an affinity for different kinds of magic is true for my dreams as well. I made the story and it carried over into my dreams and I am the character I made sometimes. my character has water powers so in my dreams I have much stronger water powers than others. I would love to learn my element from the goddess of my element.
I can understand if you wouldnt want me to meet her though if it is possible.
I'll try... I'm really bad at remembering my goals. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
That is awesome! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caden
Why wouldn't I want anyone else to meet her? I don't mind at all, it's entirely up to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Though as I mentioned earlier, I'm very bad at remembering things like these during my dreams.
I am definately going to go to Teraluna in my next LD, or ofcourse what will be my perception of it according to the fine detail you have shared with us :)
If you embed and idea into your expectations/subconsciousness enough, anything is possible right hence the reason im planning on doing something similiar....
I also created something cool in my last LD, but this probably isn't the place to post, I'll share with you just in case it can help as much as it did with me...
In my mind, in my last LD... I created a dial, which was attached to my clothing and wired into my inner self. I labelled the dial "Lucidity level" and i created it with the expectation that when I start losing stability, i can turn the dial up similar to how you would turn up volume on a radio, and I noticed that it helped me remain lucid and stabilized my dreams lots! Could anyone try this and tell me if it helped them?
Thanks :D
Hmm, I will most defianly try this. Though I only have the occasional lucid dream. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff
You know, if you think about it, if my theory is true and/or she is a separate entity, she is using your brain to exist. She is harnessing the power of part of your brain even while you are awake. If you are skilled enough you could see what she is doing at any moment, and possibly even summon her as an alternate personality (that would be freak'n cool). As she is using your brain, you should be able to access any memories she has created during the time in your head, and be able to listen in on anything she is thinking (but this does require the knowledge of being able to access each and every single neuron in your brain, very difficult stuff). But she might leave your head during the day and go to the "Homeland", but you should ask her if she lives in your head while you're awake. If she does, then you would be able to communicate with her whenever you want, if of course you can access any part of your brain. It is your brain, you can use it however you want, when you find out how to.
I think this is a pretty great idea. I would like to try it if I had better control in my lucid dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff
I find this discussion fascinating. Thank you Hyu for sharing it. This is similar to how it started for me. But in my dreams, the Sliver Woman is not as friendly. Perhaps it's an archetype. And the woman you met is the same as my Taxi Driver. Perhaps it is indeed the Sliver Woman. In which case PLEASE let us know what she tells you. How she identifies herself. I have finally begun chronicling my similar experiences on my blog at blogspot. It's called whispersandshadows.blogspot. I would love to know if you met her again.
Please, everybody wants you to take your theory to another thread. I doubt he is going to be able to even attempt this anytime soon, and that makes absolutely NO sense! There are so many flaws in your original theory and this one that I'm not even going to bother pointing them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Anyway, Hyu, you are probably going to get into some pretty interesting things pretty soon. Those entries are just amazing.
Also, something that I thought of: Is it possible that it is the same person WakingNomad saw, causing you to experience the same dream and feelings? Probably not, but is a possible explanation of the parallel experiences. I haven't read his (yet), but I still want you to consider it. If you remember this, then that would turn into an interesting conversation.
That last post wasn't a theory, I was saying that if she is a separate entity it is possible she is using his brain to exist. And if that is so, then it is likely that he can communicate with her somehow during waking life. The brain can use itself however it wants, all you have to do is convince your subconscious.
It's not a theory? People have actually concluded it is possible? Well, show me the proof! It's only a theory until it is proven true.
Simply google "Talking to your sub-concious", "Accessing your inner mind", etc.
You will be flooded with results that show how extensively some people can use their brains.
And with my actual theory, once I clarified some things it seemed everyone was fine with it being there, noone else complained on this thread exept you after that. And if it is a common trend among this thread that I should stop referring to this theory I will do so gladly, bit noon else has said anything about that yet.
As far as I'm concerned, the status of these claims are still conjectural in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Nobody jas established this as fact, and many people still classify those theories as conjectural. They may be hallucinating for all we know!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
And I never said I didn't like it there, I just saw a lot of flaws in it that I won't even bother pointing out.
Ok, whatever. And the words in my theory post don't even come close to how it is in my mind, I posted it in a rush just to get it on here. I apologize for any flaws it may contain.
I have a feeling the flaws I found are both in your mind and in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Snowboy, calm down. He isn't hurting anyone. He is simply asking Hyu to ask Yuya a question. If Hyu has a problem with it, he should say something. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with his question or his posting of his theory.
I never said there was anything wrong with him posting his theory. I just said I saw some flaws with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradysdreaming
Ok then, could you please point out what those might be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
I would like you to look at this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
And once again, you were the only one to complain about it in this thread after I clarified it a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
When I said that I meant I was getting annoyed by seeing all the talk about your theory in this thread. I still think it should have its own thread in R/S since it sounds like something that should be in there. I still advise you do this and transition back into what this thread was meant to discuss.
Ok, I think BOTH of us should get back on topic. But first, what are some of the flaws you suspect to be in my head about my theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
OK, when I say your mind, I don't mean you're screwed up in the head, I mean your perception of the general idea of your theory.
I will give you one that cancels out almost all of it: You can't have perfect without corruption, as you can't have hot without cold, soft without hard. In other words, everything has its opposite, so you're forced to have it there. Whether you pay attention to it or not, that's your choice, but it's still there, and it's still going to affect you. However, it still lets you keep the idea that you have a permanent spouse, so that's one of the only things I feel isn't eliminated by what I just said. Since everything, you must have your opposite, which is, ironically, your spouse, since you are perfect for each other, as you are both part of a two-piece puzzle.
I highly recommend making a separate thread in ED if you want to discuss this.
I'm afraid, Snowboy, that you did sound rather unfair to MIISTERNEUGIT in your postings. Of course, with text it's hard to tell what the spirit of the words are sometimes. But the phrase "flaws in your head" doesn't sound so good. :(
(Edit: You posted while I was typing, apparently. I see what you meant to say now.)
Personally I see nothing wrong with people posting their theories (and I would agree that hypothesis is a better word at this early stage) in this thread, other than the fact that it would eventually make the thread difficult to read through. That's one reason I have decided to refrain from posting all of my own ideas on the subject that are too complex and not directly related to Yuya. But still, it's nothing to fight about.
Haha, sorry if I caused offense to anybody. I realized in my last post that I had seriously misrepresented what I had actually meant. Although the tone of my posts sounded a bit serious and mean to MN, it wasn't meant to be of that type of atmosphere.
Ok, thats good to know. And I know you meant of how the theory works. But one clarification, once again assuming it is true and assuming Teraluna from Hyu's dreams is the homeland in my theory, as Yuya told him, the city is safe (Perfect), but if you leave it, you could be attacked (Corrupted). I now believe that most of my theory is un-cancelled out. Now, shall we return to Hyu's dreams?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
Not quite yet. Let me add this one last thing: There could be other safe places around the Universe. There are many planets and galaxies, so it is near impossible that Teraluna is the only safe place as a planet. Plus, when you said perfect, I thought you had meant it as "Nothing is wrong there; everybody and everything is perfect!" Everybody makes mistakes, so Teraluna can't possibly be perfect in that sense. So, what do you mean by "perfect"?
I also have a person just like in the original post. I have dreamt about her for a while now, first time I saw her was by a pine tree by a river, with a wooden bridge going over. but these recent dreams she has protected me from every threat in my dreams.
I feel good when she's around. Her description is in my DJ
Hm. Lots of new users that are posting in this thread have had similar experiences. Weird.
Yes, there would be other safe places, just used that as an example. And by "perfect" I mean everyone gets along, they help each other out, because they simply don't know any different. Amongst the peaceful part of the homeland, there is no jealousy, no hatred, and no need to ever take revenge. This is possible by the people of the homeland truly caring about others because thats all they are capable of. Or in a more negative way, you can think of it as if they help others out because if others fail, they will lose everything themselves. Anyway, by the more common idea of perfect being nothing being wrong and everything always being positive, as some may say earth can't be like that, that doesn't mean a whole different galaxy is unable to contain something like that. Maybe thats why homelanders are here, to try to turn earth "perfect", by simply showing them that it is possible with very little change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
:facepalm: You just overlooked something that I had said. Perfectiveness can't exist without corruption. Not doing anything wrong cannot exist without doing something wrong. I think that it is certain that there is something on Teraluna that isn't perfect.
But once again, it is a whole other world with a whole other set of possibilities, as we may not be capable of being perfect, it is possible they may be. What if their brains are completely incapable of harnessing stuff like jealousy and hatred? And if there is no option but to do something wrong for the greater good, that is still doing the right thing. And I never said they don't do anything wrong, I said to them nothing is wrong, as if they see everything as if it is how it is supposed to be. When wrong is wrong, when right is right, when we see only that corruption is the place to turn, it's over for us all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
MN is right, things like hatred and jealousy are natural human functions. It is totally possible that another species of intelligent life is incapable of such a thing.
Things can't exist without their opposite, so I believe that they are not incapable of possessing those qualities. But then again, we are talking about a planet in another galaxy, so who knows?
Hyu, do you have any updates?
DJ Entry by WakingNomad:
Battling Hyu - Dream Journals - Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource
Yeah, I read that entry by WakingNomad. Too bad Hyu said he couldn't remember his dream (other than dreaming about someone on the forum) as it would be interesting to compare. We'll see if Yuya has any commentary about it in the next installment.
That's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shervik
Have you ever talked to her?
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
When I first joined these forums, I didn't have the confidence to talk about these things.
The community seemed super friendly, but still, I wasn't used to talking about my dreams.
It's only after I read about somewhat similar experiences (WakingNomad's DJ), that I not only grew the confidence to talk about it, but also to dream about it more often (if that makes sense)
Not really, I didn't get enough sleep the past few days due to exams, which I assume is why my dream recall is kinda bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
As for testing out theories... I'm all for it, but I have trouble enough remembering the most basic goals as it is. :/
I wonder if it was actually you in WakingNomad's dream, that would be awesome.
And in that one dream you had, when you saw that Yuya had a bug on her that looks like a tattoo, what did it look like?
Hey Is Teraluna a world or a city?
I think Teraluna is a city, and the planet is riven. That is at least what I got from hid DJ. I may be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Kingdom hearts yay! I like your sig lol. Ive been having these weird thoughts lately like is any of this for real or not?
Haha, thanks. I googled "Am I dreaming?" and that came up, two awesomenesses in one. And I certainly hope this is for real, that would be epic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Ive played kingdom hearts sooo many times. but yeah that quote from kingdom hearts fits perfectly with all of us here at dreamviews. We are all constantly looking around thinking is this real? then we ask the next question am I dreaming?
But yeah I would like to try to visit teraluna if it would be possible for me to. It would be awkward to say I want to go to teraluna if it is a world and end up out in some remote location instead of the city. hopefully having the picture of the water covered arena would be enough to get me where I want to be
No I haven't had any lucid dreams yet. Whenever she talks to me it's probably something that I should run or in another dream I had it was NOT to kill a threat of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Why don't you use those threats to become lucid, kill the threat or let her kill it, THEN talk to her? i mean, certainly people/monsters/whatever the heck the "threat" was aren't out to kill you in RL, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shervik
Yeah i just have a hard time to question the dream and do Reality Checks in dreams. I just accept everything, because everything seems so awesome in the dream(shooting guns, falling boulders, huge and vivid mountains). I am still going to try though, and have more discipline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
They didn't look like bugs, they were very flat and colorful, like butterfly wings glued on her back, forming some sort of pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Teraluna is an inhabited moon, Riven / Haven is a city on TeralunaQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Yea, I thought it said bug in your dream journal. And I guess I got that whole Teraluna and Riven thing backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Ok, I am now kinda creeped out. Tera - Luna. Initially I thought (Tera = Trillion + Luna = Moon) = The trillionth moon, which would fit. But then it came to mind that Moon = Lunar and googled what Luna is defined as. Here, at the top it says
Wasn't "Selene" in your dreams with Yuya? And isn't "Selene" the same to waking nomad as Yuya is to you, Hyu?Quote:
Originally Posted by wordnetweb.princeton.edu
Whoa... that is weird. Teraluna must be the home planet (or moon :P) of Selene. And that also means the WakingNomad is the dream husband of the moon god... creepy. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Of course! Why didn't I think of that before! I knew Luna would be referring to a moon, but I forgot about the moon connection with Selene.
By the way, I am a little uncertain about the connection between WakingNomad's Selene and Hyu's Selene. Are they the same entity, or do they just have the same name?
:holyshit: creepy. oh, and Terra=Earth, i believe. but that is CREEPY!!!
No, even google "define:tera", it means trillion. Earth is Terra, with 2 rs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
That all depends if Hyu was explicitly given the spelling of Teraluna or if he just assumed it was spelled that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Yea I guess. But what makes more sense "Trillionth Moon" or "Earth Moon" (In this case).Quote:
Originally Posted by Carolina
Unless,
ANOTHER THEORY:
What if there was life on the moon a long time ago but something happened to kill everything there, and Yuya, Selene, etc. are some resulting spirits from the moon.
I think this thread has definitly moved into "Beyond Dreaming" territory...
I guess I should have said something earlier because I was connecting Selene with the moon all along. Still Yuya is a lot cooler in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Yes, most defiantly. But in Hyu's dream journal where he asks Yuya about Selene she says that she isn't a goddess, which kinda meses with the idea of it being the same Selene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
Im drawn more to Yuya than selene I mean look at my name "Water"knight I want to have a lucid dream sooo bad now. Try to contact something real in my dreams. Im still not really convinced that there can be other entities within my dreams but IF it is possible I would like to experience it.
Why do people care so much about this type of thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by COLnop
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Originally Posted by Waterknight
:awesomed::awesomed::awesomed:Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Ok what is that about Nomad?
You think it is awesome that we prefer Yuya to your equivalent?Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
I think it's funny. I don't really care.Quote:
Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT
Lots of wild theories going on here... I'm not really sure what to say.
And how on earth can you say you prefer one character over another? o_O
You haven't met either of them, and I highly doubt you have read all of WakingNomad's encounters with Selene.
And even if you had, it's kind of a weird and provocative statement to make... :/
I figure this is a good place to ask a question about my own dreams
So, I've done this off and on for a couple years, so I've had a bunch of lucid dreams. I just don't have a ton of experience.
Anyway, my task for the week was to speak to my DG.
So I have a MILD this morning go out front of my house and try to summon my DG. A man appears.
Blue = Me
Red = mystery man
Are you my Guide?"
Nope, sorry I'm not.
Wellll....where is he or she?
He's not here. He's on a different plane. He's here when you are awake."
"Oh no, you have that look in your eye " while smiling.
I feel the dreams fading. So, I drop to my knees and start feeling the grass to anchor myself. It works.
I tell him I want to speak to someone that will help me become lucid more often.
Oh that I can do, follow me and starts walking down the sidewalk.
"You can't just summon the person??"
He laughs at me..
"Hahahaha, yeeeah....no sorry"
I don't question it and start following him down the street..dream continues, but the aforementioned part is where my question lay.
It's obvious that he knows far more than an average DC.....but can't summon anyone??
Do I have multiple planes in my dreams??
Is it possible that he was my DG and just straight up lied to me to make the task harder??
Any thought would be appreciated..
hmm.... that's insufficient information. if you were to give me the rest of the dream, i might be able to come up with a theory.
The reason I like Yuya better (At the moment at least) is that I haven't read Nomads journals, and just don't know anything at all about Selene. I generally don't really take sides, but a loss of info is pulling me over the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyu
Well, beforehand was me just realizing I was dreaming randomly..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wristblade56
and afterward was just him and I walking down my street and I was making extra effort to note my surrounding to remember as much as I could when I woke up. (Which is why I think I woke.)
I would chalk it up to random DC talk, but this particular DC had quite a bit of information. Not to mention, was the character that appeared when I tried summoning my Guide...
Well even if I did know more about Selene I would still prefer Yuya from the simple knowledge that she is a water goddess.
So last night I think I almost WILDed into Teraluna (well at least my interpretation of it) and I would have had my first successful WILD if it wasnt for my uncles snoring. I could feel it and I could smell it and I started to hear it just before my uncles snoring snapped me fully back awake. Well I was either on Teraluna or at a lake lol.
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Originally Posted by Lost_prophet
This could be your dream guide. Talk to him more and see what happens. Maybe you should start a new thread, since this is not really about a recurring DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost_prophet
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
Hey Nomad. I got maybe 2 minutes of sleep last night and as I went to sleep I was trying to find you. I dont know if I actually dreamed anything but I did get an image of Godric from Trueblood in my mind. Now when I think of you I see Godric from the show. I was thinking that if I ever am able to contact you (at least I think its you) I will try to appear in a certain way and see if you can recount it later.
This is interesting, because I have been a vampire cowboy in my recent dreams. Anyway, this is not really about a recurring DC, so we should continue this conversation in PM's or another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterknight
I haven't had many lucids the past few days, most likely due to some exam related stress.
Today was the first night I could relax, which resulted in two awesome lucids with Yuya:
This feeling of having ridiculous amounts of power is amazing!
Did anyone try to contact me last night?
I felt like someone tried to communicate with me in the first dream.
I guess my interest in Selene was just that if she is the same in Hyu's and Nomad's dreams it is more evidence for shared dreaming. Or rather a shared dream plane.
If I remember correctly, it was Yuya that said Selene wasn't a goddess. One of the two of them could simply be wrong.
I guess you didn't read the previous post before you posted but "Hey Nomad. I got maybe 2 minutes of sleep last night and as I went to sleep I was trying to find you. I dont know if I actually dreamed anything but I did get an image of Godric from Trueblood in my mind." Apparently waterknight did try to contact someone but maybe it ended up being hyu lolQuote:
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Hyu must have posted while I was typing.
But the person who tried to contact Hyu was a female. Waterknight is male.
This is all very interesting :D! It would be really cool to have a dream mentor who could teach you all of the secrets to lucid dreaming. And about Yuya, perhaps she's an avatar of your subconscious? Or a just a DC that grew more "powerful" over the years, and became a part of your subconscious?
Those are my most favorite entries yet. That would make an amazing video.
Also, atkins, Waterknight is male, and Hyu had heard a female voice.
Hyu- For some reason, your Journal is the only one I enjoy reading. It is incredibly vivid and very well written. Please continue your work.
So have we ruled contact through astral projection yet? That could be a good way to contact
I did briefly try to contact Hyu directly but that seemed almost impossible and I couldnt do anything towards that So I highly doubt he heard me and yeah Im male. I tried visiting him bytrying to go into a dream where he might be but I couldnt get into the dream because I couldnt get to sleep. I had much better results trying to contact Nomad I got a short visual. But yeah I really dont think i was the one that contacted you.
but anyways I think I was close to a WILD last night and all that has been on my mind recently is special DCs so I may end up finding one of my own soon. Though it may just be a regular DC built to my expectatins of something more
Oh and for an account of how I tried to contact Hyu but failed it is in a thread I made http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/i-close-wild-110260/
You know, I think we should stop calling Yuya, Selene, and the like for anyone else on here, DCs. As we don't know for sure what they really are we should call them something more general. Like DP (Dream Person), IC (Intelligent Character), etc.
MIII, DC (dream character) does actually mean anyone in the dream who appears to be living or have charcter. So a dream character can be a dream person or intelligent character, or even a dreamguide if we think of them that way. Dream guide is just meant to add emphasis to the idea that particular dream character is unique and special to us individually. It does not change the fact of whether they are spiritual, other worldly or not, that is all a personal association. So dc covers it just fine :) lolQuote:
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Oh, I thought DC meant Dream Creation, my mistake.
I don't think they are the same person. Then again I have no idea, it's just a feeling.Quote:
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I haven't encountered "my Selene" recently, I only have faint memories of her, so I didn't have a chance to ask her.
I have never experimented with AP, plus I haven't really checked out what exactly AP means and how it is supposed to work, so I can't answer that question.Quote:
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I fail to understand how floating around your room can be a way to contact someone.Quote:
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Equating astral projection with floating around your room is like equating being a billionaire with always having extra booze moneyQuote:
I fail to understand how floating around your room can be a way to contact someone.
That actually makes sense because a billionaire would always have money for booze lol so are you saying that floating around your room means you can use astral projection? lol confused now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caden
Idk if I actually believe in astral projection or not but from what I have read of it it is not limited to just floating in your room. You can float outside and go places. Likewise a billionair can bye more than just booze they can get a huge house or TV or something.
But that is way off topic
Not to go off topic (too much), but according to my knowledge on the subject, astral projection is hardly different from dreaming. Yes Wristblade56, you can float around your room and explore the physical earth plane in astral projections, but you can also travel to dream planes and higher astral planes. I believe that's all dreams really are anyway, our soul/spirit (or a copy of it, as some suggest) leaving the physical body, to travel into dream planes, and on occasion you may go to astral planes and this is how "shared dreaming" occurs. So, I would suggest that this Teraluna place, is a higher astral plane/world/realm inhabited by very intelligent astral beings, and these dreams or shared dreams are memories of Hyu and W.Nomad having been to that plane. I of course may be completely wrong and insane, so don't pay any attention to me, these are just my two cents.
Anyway, I haven't posted in this thread yet, but I've been lurking for a while and I've read every page, so I figured I might as well drop by and say hello. Hello. I'm very intrigued by your story Hyu, I'm glad you've shared the story with everyone here on DV and continue to do so. Yuya sounds amazing and I'm very envious of your experiences but with the envy also comes great inspiration to further expand my dreaming abilities, so thank you.
Couldn't of said it better myselfQuote:
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