Thread: A recurring DC in my dreams which doesn't behave like any other DC's

I have been a member of dreamviews for a while now. I have hours of personal research + about 80 Lucid Dreams to my experience. I am blown away by your post. So first of all let me comment on some of the things that have been said here. Logic has no place in this forum. Go ask your neighbor if having out of body experiences and being able to control that is logical or if he thinks it is "rational" to believe this is possible? Lets see how rational things become in anyone's eyes at the point you start telling everyone you know about these experiences? Second of all, for someone who has VERY LITTLE lucid experience to tell you how you need be more realistic and "rational" about how you perceive the dream world and/or the characters in it is a joke. You have more experience yet someone with far less gives you advice in a way that sounds as they know better? lol. We are all here to offer our opinions and help to one another, but to outwardly suggest that a certain idea or philosophy is not rational is an ignorant way to position one's self. The very topic we speak of is not rational to most people. The capabilities of the dream world are very open not only to interpretation but to possibility.

(Is this what you were referring to, Snowboy?)

I have to respectfully disagree here. To say that logic and rationality has no place in this forum is to say we will no longer be looking for answers. How can you explain a phenomenon if you don't take all the evidence into account and base your judgement on what is most supported by facts? If we all just give our opinions without objectively weighing them in a search for the truth, we can't get anywhere.

As I say, I think it's an argument over definition. Atkins is defining "rational" and "logical" as something more subjective than I am.

Now let's look at an illustration:

I wake up one morning, and the ground is white. Glancing out the window, I conlcude it has snowed. Does that mean it's impossible that someone came along with a paint sprayer during the night and painted everything white? No, but it is more rational to say that the evidence points towards the snow theory.

In a similar way, if Hyu dreams of a girl who says she is real, it is more likely that it is just a dream character saying "I'm real". Nothing Hyu has described is outside the realm of what is possible for any dream derived purely from the activity of Hyu's own mind. It would be irrational to conclude that something radically different is going on here. But at the same time it would be irrational to say that I know for a fact that nothing radically different is going on here. However, the "law" of parsimony says that the most simplistic answer is most likely the truth. So it would be rational to say that the second hypothesis is more likely.

If lucid dreaming is to ever make progress as a science, we have to have to make sure we are grounded in logical thinking. It can be an art without logic, which is all that some are after. There is nothing wrong with that. But to get answers, the best method is to apply a scientific approach. At least that's how I see it.

By the way tokolak, don't worry if people seem hard on you in this forum. You will find that people here are pretty plain spoken, and will tell you exactly what they think. Which, in my opinion, is a good thing.