Thread: A recurring DC in my dreams which doesn't behave like any other DC's

I have been a member of dreamviews for a while now. I have hours of personal research + about 80 Lucid Dreams to my experience. I am blown away by your post. So first of all let me comment on some of the things that have been said here. Logic has no place in this forum. Go ask your neighbor if having out of body experiences and being able to control that is logical or if he thinks it is "rational" to believe this is possible? Lets see how rational things become in anyone's eyes at the point you start telling everyone you know about these experiences? Second of all, for someone who has VERY LITTLE lucid experience to tell you how you need be more realistic and "rational" about how you perceive the dream world and/or the characters in it is a joke. You have more experience yet someone with far less gives you advice in a way that sounds as they know better? lol. We are all here to offer our opinions and help to one another, but to outwardly suggest that a certain idea or philosophy is not rational is an ignorant way to position one's self. The very topic we speak of is not rational to most people. The capabilities of the dream world are very open not only to interpretation but to possibility.

On to my reason for this post. I liken the experience you are having to an experience I hope to have. I believe (and have read) that ultimately all lucid dreamers are "expected" to eventually find a character that seems to know them better than anyone.. to be in more control than anyone.... and to be more intelligent/alive than anyone else. Read some of the forums or speak to some of the more advanced and seasoned lucid dreamers. They all (or most) have one of these guides that they regularly dream with. This person is supposedly the one who will guide us in getting to know the lucid dreaming reality in more personal manner. I have read that most Lucid Dreamers only find this "dream guide" after many many lucid experiences.. and more often one person in particular will start to show up.. until the conclusion is obvious that this one person appears more than anyone else because they are there for you.. Then you just ask them or they tell you they are your guide. Your story intrigued me.. I can't wait to find this "person" of my own so that I may grow more in lucid dreaming and have a teacher as well lol...

What a dream guide /spirit guide is supposed to be is open to many interpretations... and none of them can be wrong because it is just an interpretation. To each person it can be whatever they expect it to be, or believe it to be. To me, a spirit guide may just be a character of your lucidity who is ramped up by expectations, both in knowledge and in spirit, because you want that. OR, this dream guide may truly be something greater that no one can truly understand. I can tell you this. Scientific study as proven that during deep REM, the brain has x2 times the oxygen consumption, and x2 times the blood flow, and is many times more active than in waking life. And our best lucidity comes at moments of deepest REM. So with all this ramped up fuel for though, it makes sense to me that dream characters would have the capability to excel in intelligence compared to anything we are used to seeing. It also makes sense to me that in this ramped up state of mind, if possible to contact spiritual entities of any kind, this would be the time that window of possibility would be wide open...

Please continue this thread. I am interested in knowing more about your exploration with this being and how it develops.

Originally Posted by atkins513

Logic has no place in this forum... Second of all, for someone who has VERY LITTLE lucid experience to tell you how you need be more realistic and "rational" about how you perceive the dream world and/or the characters in it is a joke. You have more experience yet someone with far less gives you advice in a way that sounds as they know better? lol. We are all here to offer our opinions and help to one another, but to outwardly suggest that a certain idea or philosophy is not rational is an ignorant way to position one's self.


What a dream guide /spirit guide is supposed to be is open to many interpretations... and none of them can be wrong because it is just an interpretation. . ...It also makes sense to me that in this ramped up state of mind, if possible to contact spiritual entities of any kind, this would be the time that window of possibility would be wide open...

Please continue this thread. I am interested in knowing more about your exploration with this being and how it develops.

@atkins513: I've got to agree with TheShadow on this one. I feel like you're blurring some distinctions here. The issue with rationality only arises when conclusions are offered without robust evidence. Sure, it's one thing to give the observations of the many experienced LDers who have had interactions with a special dream character who was different because A,B,C and did A,B,C, etc. But, it's another (big) step to begin forming conclusions from these observations (which by themselves are not irrational).

Once you say that the character Hyu met is a spirit living on the dream plane, then you've barred off logical debate. That statement is an opinion/interpretation that, although interesting, is not in any true sense of the word, believable. That is, it may instinctually feel right, or many people may agree with you, but until you offer valid evidence, there's no reason why I should believe that theory over the equally valid one that dreams and their characters are, let's say, the voice of a 2000 year old sand-monster that feeds on the dreams of humans.


Don't get me wrong, the idea of spiritual entities sounds awesome to me, and I'd love to see where Hyu's dreams lead him. I think dream stories can be fascinating, and even think that it's likely there's very beneficial experiences that you can have in dreams for your waking life (health benefits, psychological development, etc. as these could be more directly measured). But I just have never been presented with the sort of evidence I expect for the ideas of some people on this forum that tip into the spiritual/metaphysical. In fact, the very nature of those entities (which to me are unsturdy guesses/explanations), precludes the presentation of evidence.

Granted, I do tend to sway toward a more empirical, reason-based philosophy of the world. But this sort of argument illustrates my reasons.

--Whitemountain