Thread: Lucidology 101 & Nicholas Newport (Entire Video Course Here)

I think I'm going to have to take everything you two say with a grain of salt.

His videos were my first introduction to the WILD method and I found them to be intentionally confusing in order to get me to buy his 102 series.

Originally Posted by atkins513

Can we all start fresh from this point on Discussing the methods therein as the methods themselves are not copyrighted and are completely free for discussion by any community, including this one.

Yes let's discuss the FREE techniques. As I have said before the lucid timer in video 7 is excellent. He started off with a cooking timer in his hand experimenting with different timings. Now that is dedication!! The flash timer must have taken some time to put together as well. I started off with the recommended four minute timer base. The beeps from my amp and speakers weren't enough to wake me so I made a contraption to have a speaker hover a few inches above my ear as I sleep on my side generally. That worked perfectly but unfortunately I kept moving. So... I fired up my music sequencer and made my own custom two tone alarm to wake me and embedded a recording of myself saying, "Dont move" The alarm call I set for 10 seconds. It worked perfectly. It woke me every time and I didn't move. I left a 60 minute gap at the beginning of my custom MP3 track to allow me to fall asleep and then the alarm went off once, then four minutes later, then 8 minutes after that, then 4 minutes, then 12 minutes, then 16, then 20 and finally 20 minutes after that one. As Nick said if I was to dream in either 20 minute period the process of hypnotic fractionation would kick in and my mind would begin to awaken without me physically waking up. It was so easy to realise I was in a dream. Fantastic and for FREE

Originally Posted by dreamsickle

I think I'm going to have to take everything you two say with a grain of salt.

His videos were my first introduction to the WILD method and I found them to be intentionally confusing in order to get me to buy his 102 series.

I didn't find them confusing at all. He explains everything in perfect English. I followed his instructions and got excellent results as my last timer post reveals. He clearly knew what he was talking about from experience so I wanted to learn more and I have, a lot more

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Im referring to lucidology 102, are you?

I'm referring to the free videos, but V-WILD isn't alien here and there are great threads about it, technically, you are discrediting those threads, but I guess thats because you were angry <.<

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Nick regularly has traditional WILD's in a matter of a few minutes. He doesn't proclaim himself to be a master. The video which is the bridge between the free 101 and paid 102 course is 72 minutes long and that is before the course starts. Why because there is a lot of background info to absorb.

iadr can have up to 10 WILDs in a single day, that doesn't means he will start selling his technique... and newport also adds unnecessary info, not just background info, but that isn't the point, the point is making profit off LDing.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Atkins and I have respect for him because he has a vast amount of knowledge that isn't discussed here and we want to discuss it.

Yeah, respect is one thing, but it is another thing to have bias in favor and start discrediting others because of it, because that knowledge IS discussed here, you guys didn't read the whole lucidiology thread, did you? There is a good amount of disussion on the actual techniques as the pages progress, and the only problem people have is with fake info and making a profit off LDing.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

That was completely undemocratic to threaten to close the thread down. I have seen multiple threads of people linking to paid products. Even members here linking to their own commercial lucid dreaming websites. Are those threads closed down. No, because there isn't enough moderation here for a forum of this size.

Which is why people should use the report button <.<

Also, it is confusing for a lot of people, if you didn't find it confusing then great, but that isn't universal.

Anyway, since atkins wants discussion on the technique, I won't be discussing this again, if anyone wants to reply, do so using PM.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Yes let's discuss the FREE techniques. As I have said before the lucid timer in video 7 is excellent. He started off with a cooking timer in his hand experimenting with different timings. Now that is dedication!! The flash timer must have taken some time to put together as well. I started off with the recommended four minute timer base. The beeps from my amp and speakers weren't enough to wake me so I made a contraption to have a speaker hover a few inches above my ear as I sleep on my side generally. That worked perfectly but unfortunately I kept moving. So... I fired up my music sequencer and made my own custom two tone alarm to wake me and embedded a recording of myself saying, "Dont move" The alarm call I set for 10 seconds. It worked perfectly. It woke me every time and I didn't move. I left a 60 minute gap at the beginning of my custom MP3 track to allow me to fall asleep and then the alarm went off once, then four minutes later, then 8 minutes after that, then 4 minutes, then 12 minutes, then 16, then 20 and finally 20 minutes after that one. As Nick said if I was to dream in either 20 minute period the process of hypnotic fractionation would kick in and my mind would begin to awaken without me physically waking up. It was so easy to realise I was in a dream. Fantastic and for FREE

This is excellent. The very first time I used the timer method, I got a DILD, then a DEILD. The next day I used the timer again, I got a 3 DEILDS, and then 1 WILD, because it took me much longer to go back to sleep and it turned into a wild.. it was incredible.... I have only ever used the RAMP 4. Have you ever used any other ramp setting?

I also have thought many times about making a custom MP3 that said "do not move" "do not move" and slowly fades in louder and louder for about 30 seconds, because not moving is not usually the first thing on your mind lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

This is excellent. The very first time I used the timer method, I got a DILD, then a DEILD. The next day I used the timer again, I got a 3 DEILDS, and then 1 WILD, because it took me much longer to go back to sleep and it turned into a wild.. it was incredible.... I have only ever used the RAMP 4. Have you ever used any other ramp setting?

I also have thought many times about making a custom MP3 that said "do not move" "do not move" and slowly fades in louder and louder for about 30 seconds, because not moving is not usually the first thing on your mind lol

Excellent results Atkins. We both used the free timer and we both had a lucid dream on the first day of use and this thread is being threatened with removal? I thought that if I made a two track MP3 of an alarm mixed in with my voice saying "Don't move" would work well and it did. Good idea to fade the track in that you have there. I kept mine short to ten seconds. Long enough to definately wake me up and short enough to allow me to fall back to sleep.

Originally Posted by Hukif

I'm referring to the free videos, but V-WILD isn't alien here and there are great threads about it, technically, you are discrediting those threads, but I guess thats because you were angry

As I have already said Nick's V-WILD techniques are light years above anything on this forum. They are awesome. I was angry because me and Atkins have had excellent results on the first day of use of Nick's free info and a mod is threatening to remove the thread. I now feel sad instead of angry.

Originally Posted by Hukif

iadr can have up to 10 WILDs in a single day, that doesn't means he will start selling his technique...

That is iadr's choice and if he had a great website selling techniques to enable me to have awesome WILD's in a short space of time I would buy them. I have spent over a thousand pounds on ebooks and courses for meditation, lucid dreaming and other mind altering techniques in the last year. The best of which is, 'Frontal Lobes Supercharge'. If the internet didn't exist would you begrudge paying for every lucid dreaming book that is available in book shops, well would you? I wouldn't because I understand what money is, value that represents an exchange of goods or services. Nick has goods that aren't discussed here and I am very happy to give hime money for his extensive reseach which he gives a money back guarantee for.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Yeah, respect is one thing, but it is another thing to have bias in favor and start discrediting others because of it, because that knowledge IS discussed here, you guys didn't read the whole lucidiology thread, did you?

Yes I have read it actually and there is far more negative bias. Atkins rightly wants to discuss the methods rather than them being attacked because Nick's 2nd course is a paid course. Which is in my opinion worthy of being charged for as a great deal of time and effort went into creating the course.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Also, it is confusing for a lot of people, if you didn't find it confusing then great, but that isn't universal.

Me and Atkins had excellent results the first time, we didn't find it confusing.

The jaw stretching exercise is fascinating. I didn't realise just how much tension there really is in the jaw. It felt odd using it the first time and I thought I knew a lot about relaxation techniques but I didn't need it as I can relax quickly and deeply. That little trick of lying on the floor is a great one too. It really works if I wake up in a negative mindset as the vast majority of us do from time to time. It's great for clearing one's mind as one does feel really grateful to be back in bed and that really helps with the relaxation process. If I get up for 5 minutes it usually takes me between three quarters to an hour to get to sleep so this one has come in handy if Im not mentally relaxed in the morning.

Alright. We all have good points in pros and cons. Lets forget Nicholas Newport and Lucidology and instead discuss the methods. This would be good

Has anyone ever tried ramp settings besides Ramp 4?

Originally Posted by mcwillis

The jaw stretching exercise is fascinating. I didn't realise just how much tension there really is in the jaw. It felt odd using it the first time and I thought I knew a lot about relaxation techniques but I didn't need it as I can relax quickly and deeply. That little trick of lying on the floor is a great one too. It really works if I wake up in a negative mindset as the vast majority of us do from time to time. It's great for clearing one's mind as one does feel really grateful to be back in bed and that really helps with the relaxation process. If I get up for 5 minutes it usually takes me between three quarters to an hour to get to sleep so this one has come in handy if Im not mentally relaxed in the morning.

Haha. Yes, laying on the floor, especially a hard floor for like 10 minutes before attempting to wild was an amazing technique.. My body thanked me graciously with a very fast SP experience and resulting wild... that was awesome.. Have You ever experienced the Translucent Eyelids Effect when wilding? This is usually when I am laying there with my eyes closed and suddenly I realize im looking at the wall or ceiling.. and i know its lucid time without even rc'ing lol

As I found the flash timer hard to wake up to I should have followed his instructions and used the 3 minute ramp timer base. I had the flash timer on my laptop hooked up to a large amp and it should have worked but the beeps weren't strong enough to wake me. I knew that I should have tried the 3 minute setting but because I can be an arrogant so and so sometimes I thought I would go one better and make up my own alarm system to ensure that the 4 minute ramp would work, and it did lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

Haha. Yes, laying on the floor, especially a hard floor for like 10 minutes before attempting to wild was an amazing technique.. My body thanked me graciously with a very fast SP experience and resulting wild... that was awesome.. Have You ever experienced the Translucent Eyelids Effect when wilding? This is usually when I am laying there with my eyes closed and suddenly I realize im looking at the wall or ceiling.. and i know its lucid time without even rc'ing lol

It really is uncomfortable but it does the trick. No I haven't had the translucent eyelids effect but I have experienced my dreambody eyelids closing by themselves which he explains in his 2nd course. It used to really freak me out until he described what was going on.

With regards to the eyelids phenomena I disagree with his prying technique if one has blindness. I much prefer Michael Raduga's method for curing blindness.

Many years ago I used to sell the Encyclopaedia Brittanica when it was in book form. The most prestigious books after the Holy books of the great living religions of the world. Believe me that was extremely tough to sell. I used to work 90 hours a week just to pay my rent and be able to eat. I had no spare time, I worked and slept just to survive. I work very hard for my money and my passion is lucid dreaming and expanding my mind. If learning sometimes requires a large loss of money (£1000 I mentioned earlier) to extend my passion of expanding my mind then that is what I will do. In this modern computer age people are losing their backbone and often wanting things for no effort or exchange for work done.

Like Atkins said lets keep it on topic and stop slagging off Nick for his selling.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

With regards to the eyelids phenomena I disagree with his prying technique if one has blindness. I much prefer Michael Raduga's method for curing blindness.

I've never had exit blindness but that method did sound somewhat strange.. prying your eyes open lol..

I would like to make a full list of all the methods from L101 so we can pick and choose which ones to discuss and how they work, would you help me Mcwillis?

There is a lot of information in those videos and I had to take copious notes to digest it properly. He talks quickly. That is why I think people found it confusing. I was supposed to have a day off today but had to work so I have catch up to do but yea later on a collation would be a good idea.

Bear with me cos I'm not off-topic

I don't lucid dream or OBE. I "HIPNAGOG". Two nights ago this happened:

I was trying to relax to attempt a Lucid dream or OBE a couple of nights ago but my body was stiff and achy with low grade pain due to a chronic medical condition. I got miserable. Then I got thinking about a technique that guy called gig tried to share with me, years ago, on saltcube.

He said, carefully, create a double and transfer your consciousness into it. He said, sit in front of a full length mirror and with honesty, look at every detail of your face .. etc.

I did it a few times but I didn't like the ugly-mug staring back at me, so I quit.

I was laying there in pain a couple of nights a go thinking about that Lucid-dream/OBE technique. Then strong thoughts came to me. "Focus Debbie, try".

So I imagined standing, naked, beside my bed and I tried to dance. Then, for a second or two I was, subtly, in a replica of my stiff, achy, 51 year old body, clumsily moving my arms and hips trying to dance.

Then, surprisingly, I was in a younger, sexier, much more comfortable, female body, dancing, (for a second).

Then, cheekily-surprisingly, I was in a a young, strong, naked, male body. While dancing I wrapped my arms around my manly chest to cuddle me. I enjoyed my male sent and cheked out my "package" all the while dancing (for a second).

Then, for a second, I was a ecstatic flamingo. I was running on water with my mate.

Ok

To the point.

I've been trying to Astral Travel, (OBE/LucidDream) since I was 10. My mum was into Losing Rampa, when I was 10. I am now 52.

I finally had one OBE when I was 35 where I was trying to get out of my body, AND DID. I went to physical (real) places in real time then walked home to my body to get back in (almost). And I have had 2 Lucid dreams since finding saltcube and other sites in March 2008. I consciously got out, knew that my body was in bed through-out, did stuff and woke up with out consciously returning. That, to me, means it wasn't an OBE. Also, I call them 2, LDs cos impossible things happened in them.

Ummmm

What am I trying to say?

Well, I told Nicholas Newport that maybe there are different "species" of dreamers. Different species, as different as birds and horses, blue Wales and goldfish, elephants and mice ... ect. Some species of dreamer may never, or hardly ever LD or OBE but are none-the-less powerful dreamers.

I am probably a different spiecie of dreamer. My way of dreaming may be through dream snippets and hipnagogs.

Nick's work is not easy to drink. It is not light fizzy lemonade. It is thick-concentrated stuff. Perhaps cos it was put together by a desperate insomniac. A man who ploughed through tons of pages of other peoples work searching to find a cure for his inability to find sweet repose.

He went deep into LD and OBE.

I can't think of what else to say for now.

That is bizarre. I don't know why but last night I followed my intuition and imagined I was lying facing my real body and examining my face in detail. I did this for a few minutes thinking that it may somehow have an interesting effect just like you have been describing. Then behind my closed eyelids I saw what I can only describe as a spacescape. It was like space with lots of stars and there was an incredible 3D depth to it. I have asked Nick about this and he thinks the stars could be the dream portals he talks about that start off as points of light and if one zooms into them they become literally like doorways to a dream location. I zoomed but the spacescape faded. Im definately going to be looking for that saltcube post. Thanks.

Breaking The Entire Cycle In Case Of Desire To Escape

This was said to be the 100 percent foolproof method for breaking SP, including exiting Lucid Dreams and False Awakenings.
You interrupt your sleep breathing and introduce an abnormal breathing rhythm such as taking Long Deep Breaths Over and Over.
This is said to work because the body realized that the sleeping process may have been interrupted and exits all sleep stages to keep you from waking up and being completely frozen by SP.

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Personally this has worked for me every time I have used it, including one time as a test for the method itself. This does in fact seem to be
dead on the money for a quick an easy way to exit false awakenings, sleep paralysis, and dreaming entirely.

Anybody else have experience with this?

I tried it and the techniques sounded good but they didn't work for me. How did you make it work for you ? And do they have an online timer or is it a downloadable timer ?

I have the downloadable timer. What do you mean you tried it? What is it lol... you tried the timer method? You tried breaking SP? what did you try lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

Breaking The Entire Cycle In Case Of Desire To Escape

This was said to be the 100 percent foolproof method for breaking SP, including exiting Lucid Dreams and False Awakenings.
You interrupt your sleep breathing and introduce an abnormal breathing rhythm such as taking Long Deep Breaths Over and Over.
This is said to work because the body realized that the sleeping process may have been interrupted and exits all sleep stages to keep you from waking up and being completely frozen by SP.

---
Personally this has worked for me every time I have used it, including one time as a test for the method itself. This does in fact seem to be
dead on the money for a quick an easy way to exit false awakenings, sleep paralysis, and dreaming entirely.

Anybody else have experience with this?

I tried this, and it didn't work, though I tried it for a different reason, was doing a dream experiment, but since I didn't have in mind waking up, guess it didn't wake me up.

The original author said it took 10-15 seconds of drastically changing your breathing pattern but other than working for me I don't know how it will work for others..

Well, I bet thinking about staying in the dream to check the results isn't going to help any, either lol
Wonder if I have that dream journaled... one way or the other, always worth give it a shot in a nightmare.