Have you ever had a dream in a dream?

**onyxfyre** · 07-21-2011 05:38 AM

I have once. It was really weird. I was dreaming that i was dreaming that i was a composer (composing singers lol) and had several singers singing on stage. after the dream was over, I woke up at my friends house and my friend was talking about how he had a dream were i composed a few singers and I said "You had the same dream I did?" he replied yes and told his cousin about it. Then I thought to myself, you know what, Im probably still dreaming but never went lucid. It was real weird.

**zebrah** · 07-21-2011 06:04 AM

You can't actually have a dream within in a dream. That is just a myth from inception. Nothing is changing but the dream scene. You aren't actually going deeper.

What you are describing is a false awakening.

**Puffin** · 07-21-2011 06:31 AM

zebrah's right. You can't actually fall asleep in a dream, and enter one within that dream. If you try falling asleep in a dream, the dream will make up its own rendition of what might happen next, resulting in you "waking up" into a false awakening. This is just an entirely new dream. There aren't layers; dreams are more of a linear thing - one happens, then you either wake up or move on to a new one.

I've definitely had some trippy dreams in the past, like where I'd try to WILD in a dream without being lucid, and then enter a new dream, now fully lucid. I wouldn't realize the first dream wasn't real until I actually woke up.

**Supernova** · 07-21-2011 07:27 AM

Once in a non-lucid dream, I had decided to try to WILD, thus I assumed that I had WILDed and that where I ended up was a dream, thus making me lucid. Very ironic, because I did an action as a normal part of a non-lucid dream, but it just happened to be an action that by it's very nature was bound to make me lucid. I was all excited at my "first WILD" and everything. It was not until I woke up that I realized what had really happened.

**Puffin** · 07-21-2011 07:28 AM

I hate when that happens... It's so confusing once you wake up!

**2Worlds** · 07-23-2011 03:36 AM

Puffin,

I politely and with respect disagree. If I misunderstood your response I further offer my apologies. In this area of dealing with dreams and the subconscious (yet to be defined) I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions. An opinion is a good thing... Anyone who professes to have answers and the final word I take issue with.

One must consider religion, environment, spirituality, life experience and ones personal growth/evolution not to mention physiological factors. With that said, I joined this forum today and started a new thread. My post below.

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I am new to these forums. 'll keep this brief as on occasion I find that listening to the details of other peoples dreams can be tedious.

I have had lucid dreams on and off for twenty years now, they spike and tend to cluster. I've also had dreams on a metaphysical level that I still have yet to work through and come to terms with. There is more but I promised to keep this brief. One last thing I feel is important to mention about me.. I hate the word psychic, intuitive is a better description of me (energy-frequency-resonence). the intent of this paragraph is to lay a foundation.

Now.... I've had a dream within a dream on numerous occasions, some lucid some not.

Last night was my 1st experience with a "triple" dream. 3 layered dreams with the 3rd (bottom dream) a nightmare and lucid... I was aware and controlling that bottom dream as best I could from the second or middle dream.

I would like to share more but I don't have time. I wanted to get this post up while the emotions are still raw and before I change my mind.

Anyone else have this happen? Please don't one up me with a quadruple dream, this is a lot to absorb.. : ) Best.

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I have no agenda, I am searching within and given the fact you are reading this I am also searching externally. My bed might be linear, however as this post is layered so where my dreams....

**Supernova** · 07-23-2011 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by 2Worlds

I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions.

Realy? Cause, you seem to have made up your mind there.

Anyway, that conclusion is based on the idea that everything in a dream requires your attention to exist...which, if you look at the way dreams work, is a pretty well-supported conclusion. The "other layer" of the dream can't exist if you're not there to experience it, so for the time that you're in the "lower layer", the "upper layer" doesn't exist, thus is really is just one dream.

**Evolventity** · 07-24-2011 02:03 AM

All I can do is LOL. Ahem, pardon me.

**Yosma** · 07-24-2011 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Puffin

zebrah's right. You can't actually fall asleep in a dream, and enter one within that dream. If you try falling asleep in a dream, the dream will make up its own rendition of what might happen next, resulting in you "waking up" into a false awakening. This is just an entirely new dream. There aren't layers; dreams are more of a linear thing - one happens, then you either wake up or move on to a new one.

I've definitely had some trippy dreams in the past, like where I'd try to WILD in a dream without being lucid, and then enter a new dream, now fully lucid. I wouldn't realize the first dream wasn't real until I actually woke up.

Done this twice since I joined this site -_-. One time I "woke" back up into the first dream and then went back to bed only to go back into the exact same "dream" that I apparently WILD into before only this time I wasn't lucid -_-.

**2Worlds** · 07-24-2011 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Supernova

Realy? Cause, you seem to have made up your mind there.

Anyway, that conclusion is based on the idea that everything in a dream requires your attention to exist...which, if you look at the way dreams work, is a pretty well-supported conclusion. The "other layer" of the dream can't exist if you're not there to experience it, so for the time that you're in the "lower layer", the "upper layer" doesn't exist, thus is really is just one dream.

If I walk down 3 steps and I'm focused on where I place my foot on the 3rd step while standing on the 2nd, I'm not thinking about the 1st step but I know it was there (recall). When I turn around to go back up the steps I'm looking at the 1st and 2nd steps. The top step is in my peripheral vision, familiar and right where I left it (so to speak).

My bottom dream was lucid and aware of my middle dream. In my middle dream I was sharing a hotel room with my mom and had fallen asleep on one of the 2 beds in that room. In my bottom lucid dream and a nightmare, I intentionally made or tried to make audible noises (vocal) to my middle dream with the hope my Mom would wake me up as I knew I was asleep in my middle dream and wanted to get the hell out of that nightmare in the 3rd (bottem)

She did not and I awoke in that hotel room and saw her looking at me. I then remembered in that dream that it was just that, a dream... I regret not writing down the top or 1st dream but I then made an effort to awake from that (middle - hotel room dream) and awoke in another dream where I and was the same dream that started this whole thing (recall). It was familiar and I had perfect recall of the other 2 dreams. I then woke up at home (real world) and my girlfriend said I had been moaning. Bottom dream up. Maybe sideways but I feel my definition better describes “my” experience. Close your eyes and try to feel what I felt.

Call it what you will. We can run circles with semantics but these dreams peeled away like an onion. All familiar and lucid when passing through each dream where I was asleep and dreaming in those dreams.

Now, you don't know me, inferred i was idiot, asked no questions, and are simply parroting a commonly accepted "belief" based on what? I see no reference to a personal experience. What is the scale of measure? Physics, EEG's, Philosophy, Religion. Perhaps a slide rule? What recipe or tools support your conclusion and dismiss any other possibilities? I'm totally open to being wrong as it means I would have learned something. You however, and I'm repeating myself asked no questions, posted your reply within minutes of my post (indicates no thought or reflection) and could care less about the details or subtle nuances.

Do you know what a fractal is? Particle string theory - M factor and its implications? Are dimensions linear? Is Meditation a linear process? Karma? Which religion is right? If a person is blind at birth can you "show" me what a dream might look like to them? Food for thought, there is so much we don’t know. The possibilities are endless. These questions are rhetorical .

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it... It does make a noise and it did happen. (e=mc squared, mass and energy). Don’t know why I threw that in but I feel it’s relevant. Am I missing something? Can you be constructive or is everyone who does not subscribe to your point of view an idiot. No agenda and all egos aside. My mind is open as I only desire to grow as a person, not stagnate and be led by the masses. Question everything, not just authority.

I’ve tried to be as succinct as possible, If I’ve put my foot in my mouth it won’t be the 1st time. I invite questions and hope to begin a sincere dialog. However I will not be put in a defensive position again nor will I try to qualify myself. It is what it is. It was an experience and a feeling. No more no less. I'm done.....

**2Worlds** · 07-24-2011 11:10 PM

BTW - Anyone who feels compelled to answer and throw up a post within an hour of reading this, don't. Digest what i've said. Put your reflex in check, keep an open mind and be constructive. Better yet, sleep on it... : )

**Yosma** · 07-25-2011 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by 2Worlds

If I walk down 3 steps and I'm focused on where I place my foot on the 3rd step while standing on the 2nd, I'm not thinking about the 1st step but I know it was there (recall). When I turn around to go back up the steps I'm looking at the 1st and 2nd steps. The top step is in my peripheral vision, familiar and right where I left it (so to speak).

My bottom dream was lucid and aware of my middle dream. In my middle dream I was sharing a hotel room with my mom and had fallen asleep on one of the 2 beds in that room. In my bottom lucid dream and a nightmare, I intentionally made or tried to make audible noises (vocal) to my middle dream with the hope my Mom would wake me up as I knew I was asleep in my middle dream and wanted to get the hell out of that nightmare in the 3rd (bottem)

She did not and I awoke in that hotel room and saw her looking at me. I then remembered in that dream that it was just that, a dream... I regret not writing down the top or 1st dream but I then made an effort to awake from that (middle - hotel room dream) and awoke in another dream where I and was the same dream that started this whole thing (recall). It was familiar and I had perfect recall of the other 2 dreams. I then woke up at home (real world) and my girlfriend said I had been moaning. Bottom dream up. Maybe sideways but I feel my definition better describes “my” experience. Close your eyes and try to feel what I felt.

Call it what you will. We can run circles with semantics but these dreams peeled away like an onion. All familiar and lucid when passing through each dream where I was asleep and dreaming in those dreams.

Now, you don't know me, inferred i was idiot, asked no questions, and are simply parroting a commonly accepted "belief" based on what? I see no reference to a personal experience. What is the scale of measure? Physics, EEG's, Philosophy, Religion. Perhaps a slide rule? What recipe or tools support your conclusion and dismiss any other possibilities? I'm totally open to being wrong as it means I would have learned something. You however, and I'm repeating myself asked no questions, posted your reply within minutes of my post (indicates no thought or reflection) and could care less about the details or subtle nuances.

Do you know what a fractal is? Particle string theory - M factor and its implications? Are dimensions linear? Is Meditation a linear process? Karma? Which religion is right? If a person is blind at birth can you "show" me what a dream might look like to them? Food for thought, there is so much we don’t know. The possibilities are endless. These questions are rhetorical .

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it... It does make a noise and it did happen. (e=mc squared, mass and energy). Don’t know why I threw that in but I feel it’s relevant. Am I missing something? Can you be constructive or is everyone who does not subscribe to your point of view an idiot. No agenda and all egos aside. My mind is open as I only desire to grow as a person, not stagnate and be led by the masses. Question everything, not just authority.

I’ve tried to be as succinct as possible, If I’ve put my foot in my mouth it won’t be the 1st time. I invite questions and hope to begin a sincere dialog. However I will not be put in a defensive position again nor will I try to qualify myself. It is what it is. It was an experience and a feeling. No more no less. I'm done.....

I mean I don't personally agree with you, but there is no way to prove I'm right. I could just add supporting evidence and then you would post your own. TBH arguing about opinions never gets anywhere and never will. Its almost impossible to change an opinion of another.

And btw a sound is only vibrations until someone or something perceives it as sound, so I'm going to say no, it doesn't make a sound. But who knows........

**2Worlds** · 07-25-2011 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Yosma

I mean I don't personally agree with you, but there is no way to prove I'm right. I could just add supporting evidence and then you would post your own. TBH arguing about opinions never gets anywhere and never will. Its almost impossible to change an opinion of another.

And btw a sound is only vibrations until someone or something perceives it as sound, so I'm going to say no, it doesn't make a sound. But who knows........

I agree it's okay to disagree. I have absolutly no problem with that, acutally think it's a good thing provinding it's constructive. My issue lies with the tone of Supernoves post and idiot reference. Thanks for your input.. Gotta run, going out to the forest to keep an eye (ear) out for falling trees. : ) just kidding. Best.