Thread: Lucid dreaming 100% of the time. Need info.

The fun is getting there. Not being there. I've grown up in the single richest town in the country. The house my grandparents bought for 35k in 1950 is now on sale for 17 million. I don't have that money but I know what it's like to be around the wealthy. Imagine being a billionaire. What fun is there in that? What would you do? Most just become philanthropists which is not bad at all, but the rest I've known are drug addicts or messed up. It's the journey that makes life great, not being like a god. While I wouldn't mind having some play money, I'd never want to be a billionaire and I've dated some daughters of such. It's not as great as you think. Yes, I can fly in my dreams and its much like just willing yourself to do something, but the very fact that you know it's a dream, kind of makes it less fun. I do not want to stop Lucid Dreaming. I enjoy it. I just want to sleep without having to dream at all sometimes. People have focused on this about my post and it may be my fault but it shouldn't be so focused on because it's not entirely the case. I'd never give up what I can do, I just wish sometimes, I could go to sleep and then wake up and it's the morning. That's it.

One, LaBerge stated that lucid dreaming does not make you more tired and has the same affect as regular dreaming, so you should still be well rested. And two, your taking 5 Tylenol pm at night? Do you know that's 2,500 mg of Tylenol. You wont have to worry about lucid dreaming because your going to screw up your liver and end up dying earlier than you'd like to.

Originally Posted by Camburn

broke my back in 3 places. Spent the last part of my twenties, first part of my 30's in bed 22 hours a day in chronic pain. Wrecked my life.

Oh no =( Then I get why you thought the Inception understood you. Use the dreams like a vacation from the waking life, then because you have the ability to induce lucid dreams when you want, that all the members of dreamviews only can dream of, make the most of that.

Ok I saw your other post and understand your problem now.
So you can never ever sleep normally ?

What happens if you try to not sleep but just rest within the dream?

Originally Posted by NrElAx

One, LaBerge stated that lucid dreaming does not make you more tired and has the same affect as regular dreaming, so you should still be well rested. And two, your taking 5 Tylenol pm at night? Do you know that's 2,500 mg of Tylenol. You wont have to worry about lucid dreaming because your going to screw up your liver and end up dying earlier than you'd like to.

I'm very aware of my health and my liver enzymes are elevated but still safe and I'm getting better. You have to understand that I was in an amount of pain that gets you to the point that you just don't care about life. You just want to be out of pain. I was taking 9 methadone a day, 9 norco a day, 3 soma, anti-inflammatories etc. Over 1000 pills a month by the highest pain management specialists in the country. Of my own accord, I chose to stop all despite my pain. I stopped everything after 4 years. I don't take anything anymore. I suffer but it's not near as bad as when I was taking the pain management drugs. I'm working on fixing myself, but I doubt there are few non doctors that understand opiod receptors, pain managements and the brain chemistry regarding pain as well as I do. I'm off everything for 8 months now and taking advil as the strongest. Now, if you haven't had you body smashed in many places, 3 knee and thigh surgeries, 2 spine surgeries, 3 ruptured discs, a cracked vertebrae, a broken clavicle, 2 wrecked ankles, both thumbs ripped beyond their ability and 2 concussions, I don't think you can understand where I've come from.

Re: Choi


You've actually caught on to something no one other has. I'll be honest, many times, I go to sleep just to live a life better than reality. Even if the dreams aren't what I want. Sleep and the lucid dreams are often far better than when I'm awakre. I have to say that you're the very first person I've ever contacted with that could figure that out. I told my mother but she just didn't understand it. It's nice to know someone can figure it out. I just started seeing a shrink thank God that I know is good and is covered under the huge cash I pay to have my own insurance. Nice to know someone can kind of figure it out.

I might have "gift" as many call it and I don't deny it but with everything has a downside. It's nice to just be able to express my feelings even if they aren't as well explained as I'd like them to be and sometimes misconstrued. I've not discussed this with anyone really so that's why I'm here and there. I'm no.t as educated on this stuff as many of you even if I have a natural ability. I'll admit that readily

Oh and just as a indicator of my injuries... My medical bills were over half a million and I have nothing left. I'm 32. It sucks. but I'm over it and trying to get healthy again.

I've responded to several private messages about my techinques, how I got to where I am etc. However, I've also had, only on the posts, negative responses and many may be due to misinterpreations of my posts. If people would like me to post how I did what I did and how I got to where I am, I'll write it. I just don't want to be criticized. I mean, you can say whatever you feel like. It's a random forum and I honestly don't care. I just came hear hoping to find other people dealing with what I have. They've tended to focus on how much I don't want to lucid dream and that may be my fault in my posts but it's not the case.

I can't promise anything but I'd be happy to post up how I came to where I am if anyone wants to hear it. Obviously, this is an anonymous site so I'm not seeking fame or whatever. That's why I'm using a random name and not my own. That's the last that I could care about . I just wanted to learn more and I have. I thought I knew more than most but seeing posts, I see that many know far more than I do. So, if you want me to post again, say it. Otherwise, I'm about done here and I mean that with no disrespect. This site has helped me a lot.

Best regards. C

Oh, and I am getting a professional sleep study done next month for those that have asked.

There are a few leading professionals in the industry that have taken an intersest so it won't cost me anything but I have no idea how I could fall asleep in a controlled environment especially since I can barely sleep on my own but I'll keep everyone up to speed on what happens next month or two.

Originally Posted by sean2520

Hey there, sorry if this is off topic, Id quite like to know if you have been gifted from the start, I mean could you lucid dream first time you tried, and could you give any tips on how you do it, sounds brilliant and I understand a great thing can be a boring thing if you do it too much.

No. I've always woken often. Perhaps sleep apnea. I've had sleep Paralysis as my mother has had but only a few times a year. My Lucid Dreaming developed after years of remembering dreams and trying. I started around 12 or 14 and got quite good at it round 18. It became nonstop when I was around 28.

Originally Posted by nrg

This is amazing. For how long is this going on that You cannot get an normal sleep? Did this happen after the drug treatment?

I have been told that opiates can inhance dreams states like we discuss but I didn't see any enhancements. I've had abnormal sleep since I was about 18. I've constantly woken up about every hour. I remember, yet vaguely of the beauty of falling asleep and waking up in the morning with no interruptions. I don't think it's magical. I just think I have sleep apnea or some other disorder. I get by though. When things got more progressive was after my injuries and I had slept more. I began to enjoy sleeping more than the boring state of my life at that time. It wasn't constant but sometimes, I just wanted to sleep and dream. That's when I really perfected everything and concentrated on questions. Questions to me like are dreams just as clear as reality? Can I smell everything, feel everything, see everything as well as life. In the past, it didnt' seem so but I questioned if that was just memory. In all honesty, it's about 50/50. Sometimes, they're blurry and vague, other times, they're so accurate it's amazing.

I really hope I don't come off as cocky or anything as some people have alluded. I'm honestly just seeking answers and the more I post on this site, the more I see that many people know a lot more than I do. So I thank all of you that have responded. IT truly means a lot to me and I promise I will always answer honestly and as best I can. Im nothing special. Just maybe something different. The more I read, the more I see that many of you know a ton more and are better at this than me. The one thing I want to say is that many of you think I hate this ability. I may have given that perception but it's only out of a desire to escape some dreams I'd rather not have and to sleep straight through the night. This may be a product of depression and my own issues, but it doesn't mean that I do not value what I've achieved. I'd never give this up and it's something I've practiced and enjoyed exploring since I was about 12 years old so I'm sorry if I misrepresented my intentions.

Please don't keep posting over and over if no one has responded yet. It's common forum etiquette to post just once, maybe twice if absolutely necessary, editing a previous post if you have more to include. I'm interested in what you have to say, but seven posts in a row is unorthodox and could get you in trouble if you do it repeatedly.

Also, you don't have to keep clarifying your intentions. I think you're making some assumptions about people; we don't think you're being cocky at all. Just keep everything to the point and this discussion can be interesting and profitable for everyone.

As far as your situation, I think you need to create clear goals. The accident seems to have greatly disrupted your life; if you want to get out of your depression, you need to figure out where you want to take yourself now and work towards your goal. Putting aside sleep issues, it seems like you're not enjoying your lucid dreams because you are overwhelmed by your waking life. It's not that it is boring when most of your dreams are lucid; it's that you aren't seeing the potential because your conscious mind is distracted by your waking problems. Having omnipotent powers is like having cheat codes to a video game; you don't have to use them if you don't want to. I had a GameShark for GameBoy Color growing up, and I knew the code for unlimited Rare Candies in Pokemon Blue, and yet I refrained from using it and had just as much fun as I would have had even if I didn't have a GameShark at all.

.Wow "sabre" that's a very cool name. Are you a sword? You're so smart I'm just freakin amazed. I'll be happy to not come back to this forum and this is the last you'll see of me so everyone can thank you. It's not the end of my life buddy.

So take you tiny little dick and wishing you could do what I can and go pray to your deity.

Fact is, I'm smarter, more educated, and in every way, stronger than you. You are such a great bully on the internet. You keep working on that. Maybe you'll be the next Steve Jobs. You're such a big man on the internet aren't you. With your mastery of childrens play toys and games. My 20 years of mma, education, and constant studying must make me just an idiot right? You are the poster child of a 20 year old know it all who thinks he's bad ass on the internet. lol. I've had enough of the haters on this site when I was just looking for knowledge. I made several posts to respond to each inquiry. Maybe when you hit puberty and stop playing kids games, you might get this. You're really a big man on the internet aren't you. Good for you though, I'm done on this site. So have your little dreams and try and try. I'm done.

Well, I'll grant your micropenis insecurity ridden self hatred, wishing you had a women life and I'll leave the site. Fact is, most reading this are going to laugh at you as your own post proves your life. That's how people with actual life experience have the ability to understant posts and the persons behind them. Kisses little birdy. Now go fly away. I won't be posting again.

C.

Umm...?

For being so smart, you apparently misinterpreted everything I said. I didn't mean any insult, just wanted to update you on a custom in case you were unfamiliar, clarify something, and then chip my own two cents into the discussion. Nothing I said was sarcastic in any way.

It's not nice to attack people directly, though. To be honest, even if you decide to come back, I don't expect you to get much serious discussion after that response.

Originally Posted by Camburn

I'm very aware of my health and my liver enzymes are elevated but still safe and I'm getting better. You have to understand that I was in an amount of pain that gets you to the point that you just don't care about life. You just want to be out of pain. I was taking 9 methadone a day, 9 norco a day, 3 soma, anti-inflammatories etc. Over 1000 pills a month by the highest pain management specialists in the country. Of my own accord, I chose to stop all despite my pain. I stopped everything after 4 years. I don't take anything anymore. I suffer but it's not near as bad as when I was taking the pain management drugs. I'm working on fixing myself, but I doubt there are few non doctors that understand opiod receptors, pain managements and the brain chemistry regarding pain as well as I do. I'm off everything for 8 months now and taking advil as the strongest. Now, if you haven't had you body smashed in many places, 3 knee and thigh surgeries, 2 spine surgeries, 3 ruptured discs, a cracked vertebrae, a broken clavicle, 2 wrecked ankles, both thumbs ripped beyond their ability and 2 concussions, I don't think you can understand where I've come from.

Im just looking out for a fellow dreamviews member cuz I know tylenol isn't great for your liver. I understand what your going through man. I have chronic lower back pain and I was taking 16mg of dilaudid three times a day. I started out taking norcos and my tolerance built up over time and then I was taking oxycodone. Im trying to kick my opiate now and try and find better ways to deal with my pain. Actually I didnt read your whole post so I dont know what your going through because of all your problems. But when it comes to opiate addiction, anyone can come to me and I can help them out. But I know how chronic pain feels and how terrible it is on people and it just sucks. Everything I Love to do, i can't do anymore, which totally sucks. I've tried way too many opiates and the addiction is terrible.

Originally Posted by Camburn

I've responded to several private messages about my techinques, how I got to where I am etc. However, I've also had, only on the posts, negative responses and many may be due to misinterpreations of my posts. If people would like me to post how I did what I did and how I got to where I am, I'll write it. I just don't want to be criticized. I mean, you can say whatever you feel like. It's a random forum and I honestly don't care. I just came hear hoping to find other people dealing with what I have. They've tended to focus on how much I don't want to lucid dream and that may be my fault in my posts but it's not the case.

I am still interested in this if you are willing and have the time to share ^__^

In a way I'm pretty jealous, but in another kind of way I can understand your need of getting "normal" dreams sometimes (kind off). Have you tried to just work against your LDing? Like, when we try to get LD's some of us say to ourselves " tonight I WILL get a lucid dream", but instead you could say " tonight, I WILL have a normal, non-lucid dream" Don't know if you have tried it yet, but its worth a try!

Originally Posted by Camburn

While most of my dreams are NOT boring, many can be. I mean, think about it. Think of the movie inception or maybe, a billionaire that could buy anything. What fun is there in that? Sure, I can choose to fly, I can choose to have many beautiful women appear or whatever but when you know it’s a dream, it’s just not the same.

This is the first I've seen of this thread, and there is far too much for me to get caught up on. I've only read the first page, but I particularly wanted to comment on this, because it seems to be the main problem that people with your 'condition' seem to have. (And yes, there are a few people who have come here saying that they have the same problem.)

My issue with this is that it implies that the problem is not with the dreaming. The problem is with the fundamental refusal to allow yourself to enjoy something, simply because it is a dream. You have talked about working out problems, learning languages, etc. What about, pure, whimsical fantasy? Even when you threw out an example of such, it was pretty generic (being able to buy anything; summoning all the women you want; etc.). Are you into fiction at all? Go slay dragons. Lead an armada into an intergalactic war. Crawl into a storm drain and journey to the center of the Earth. Snowboard down a floating mountain. Something. Just because you know that it's all a dream, doesn't mean you have to try to assume control over everything. Let your subconscious present its own surprises to you. Just be 'you,' and explore all of the corners of your mind. If you feel that you have explored every scene, situation and aspect of dreaming, I would say that you are thinking too small. Read some adventure books. Watch some sci-fi. Expand your adventurous horizons. The more you do this, the more you realize that the only thing keeping you 'bored' with lucid dreaming is your lack of ideas.

Going back to 'knowing it's all a dream.' Do you enjoy a story less, because you know you're reading a fictional tale? Do you enjoy an action movie less, because you know they are just characters played by normal people? Does the lack of hyper-realism in a video game (or, simply the knowledge that it is just a game) inhibit your enjoyment of the game? It seems to me that this is the same type of problems. When I'm lucid, I am fully aware that none of it is real, but I allow myself to 'go with' the experience. I let my DC's act the way my subconscious directs them. I let my surroundings play out as my subconscious would conduct it. I typically 'change' very little, outside of 'my own' abilities and actions. In every task, in every encounter or battle scenario, I am met with mysteries and surprises, because my subconscious just has so much input (books, movies, games, etc.) with which to keep me guessing.

Now, if I wasn't an imaginative, whimsical, head-in-the-clouds, adventure loving head case, my dreams would be pretty boring, too. It would be so much harder to think of something to do, consciously. Instead, my subconscious tends to just present these amazing scenarios to me, and I dive right into them to see where the lead. In so many other cases, though, a little dream incubation helps me present myself with newer and fresher scenarios. You should really try to branch out a bit and give yourself more ideas to try.

Someone who gets bored in the playground of their own mind, is probably just sitting in the corner of the sandbox.

[Edit]
Also, the reason you are waking up tired probably has more to do with the fact that you're waking up multiple times per night, than it does with the fact that you're lucid dreaming. It's most likely that your having trouble sleeping is the reason you are lucid so often, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Camburn

No. I've always woken often. Perhaps sleep apnea. I've had sleep Paralysis as my mother has had but only a few times a year. My Lucid Dreaming developed after years of remembering dreams and trying. I started around 12 or 14 and got quite good at it round 18. It became nonstop when I was around 28.

Here we have it, people. The secret to being a 'natural' is practice, plain and simple. Every natural lucid dreamer I've seen the accounts of on this site or met in real life learnt to lucid dream through hard work, usually in response to nightmares.

@Camburn, I'm really sorry about what happened to you, I can't imagine what it must have been like to go through

.Wow "sabre" that's a very cool name. Are you a sword? You're so smart I'm just freakin amazed. I'll be happy to not come back to this forum and this is the last you'll see of me so everyone can thank you. It's not the end of my life buddy.

So take you tiny little dick and wishing you could do what I can and go pray to your deity.

Fact is, I'm smarter, more educated, and in every way, stronger than you. You are such a great bully on the internet. You keep working on that. Maybe you'll be the next Steve Jobs. You're such a big man on the internet aren't you. With your mastery of childrens play toys and games. My 20 years of mma, education, and constant studying must make me just an idiot right? You are the poster child of a 20 year old know it all who thinks he's bad ass on the internet. lol. I've had enough of the haters on this site when I was just looking for knowledge. I made several posts to respond to each inquiry. Maybe when you hit puberty and stop playing kids games, you might get this. You're really a big man on the internet aren't you. Good for you though, I'm done on this site. So have your little dreams and try and try. I'm done.

Well, I'll grant your micropenis insecurity ridden self hatred, wishing you had a women life and I'll leave the site. Fact is, most reading this are going to laugh at you as your own post proves your life. That's how people with actual life experience have the ability to understant posts and the persons behind them. Kisses little birdy. Now go fly away. I won't be posting again.

C.

Whoa, whoa whoa. I couldn't construe any antagonistic intentions from Sabre's post, I don't know what may have been going on in your private messages but I call that over reacting. I can understand that you're under considerable psychological+physiological stress but there was nothing to take offence to. On forums it's polite to not double post and you took the absolute wrong end of the stick with the Gameshark analogy. You may not read this if you are leaving this forum forever, but if you're going to react in such a way to helpful posts then we don't need you here.

Whoa. Camburn, I understand that you must be under much stress, but what did Sabre do to you to deserve that?

Wow this thread went down hill.

Originally Posted by Camburn

.Wow "sabre" that's a very cool name. Are you a sword? You're so smart I'm just freakin amazed. I'll be happy to not come back to this forum and this is the last you'll see of me so everyone can thank you. It's not the end of my life buddy.

So take you tiny little dick and wishing you could do what I can and go pray to your deity.

Fact is, I'm smarter, more educated, and in every way, stronger than you. You are such a great bully on the internet. You keep working on that. Maybe you'll be the next Steve Jobs. You're such a big man on the internet aren't you. With your mastery of childrens play toys and games. My 20 years of mma, education, and constant studying must make me just an idiot right? You are the poster child of a 20 year old know it all who thinks he's bad ass on the internet. lol. I've had enough of the haters on this site when I was just looking for knowledge. I made several posts to respond to each inquiry. Maybe when you hit puberty and stop playing kids games, you might get this. You're really a big man on the internet aren't you. Good for you though, I'm done on this site. So have your little dreams and try and try. I'm done.

Well, I'll grant your micropenis insecurity ridden self hatred, wishing you had a women life and I'll leave the site. Fact is, most reading this are going to laugh at you as your own post proves your life. That's how people with actual life experience have the ability to understant posts and the persons behind them. Kisses little birdy. Now go fly away. I won't be posting again.

C.

Yeah, no, sorry. This is unacceptable. OP please read up on the forum rules before continuing to post. But since you won't be posting again...