"YOUR DREAMING" train your Dream characters to tell you your dreaming <theoretical>

[Theepicdreamer]

terminology used: DC->Dream Character RC->Reality Check Any time I have a lucid dream, I will attempt to train a dream character i see alot (my brother) to tell me i'm dreaming. heres some info straight from here: derp cant post links yet Thanks bobblehat! Spoiler for Press to show text: LILD Rated yellow. There have been some anecdotes from at least one person of this technique working, although there is no scientific research proving it. LILD stands for “Lucid Induction of Lucid Dreams”, or sometimes, “Lucidly Induced Lucid Dream”. To use this technique, you need to have a lucid dream in the first place, but it can help you to get more later. The idea is to do something in your dream that will help you to become lucid the next time you are dreaming. For example, you could ask a dream character for help — ask them to meet you the next night and tell you that you are dreaming. If it works out the way it should, then the next time you are dreaming, the dream character will walk up to you and tell you that you are dreaming, and so you'll (hopefully) become lucid. There are many variations on this technique; you could set up signs in your dreamworld that remind you to do a reality check or eat lucid pills instead! This technique is not likely to be very effective, but it can work; it relies on the chance that you'll subconsciously induce the reminder (i.e., the dream character or sign or whatever you used) during some later dream, and become lucid because of it. Note that LILD is best used in conjunction with dreamsigns and auto-suggested non-lucid dreams. The basic idea as explained above is to have something in your dream that triggers the transition from normal dream state to lucid dreaming. To simply tell a character to tell you that you are dreaming the next time you fall asleep is usually not enough. There is no guarantee that you will dream about that character and there is no guarantee that your subconscious will believe the character enough to make you snap into lucidity (make you realise that you are in fact dreaming). Now as this technique suggests, you must have some previous alternate means of having a lucid dream. Whatever technique you employ to get into this initial lucid dream state is not really important, but you should try to remember to use this technique (LILD) once you do get into a lucid dream state. Thinking of this before falling asleep (MILD) sometimes helps and usually takes many lucid dreams before finally remembering. Once you are in a lucid dream, make up a dreamsign. It can be anything. It can be an object. It can be food or a drink (that doesn't taste like anything). It is usually best to pick something that isn't quite right. Something that on the surface would appear normal in the real world, but that upon closer inspection is not quite right. Food or drinks are good as they can have no taste or not be refreshing in a dream. But try and pick something that you dream about a lot so that there is a better chance of you dreaming about this dreamsign later on. Now pick something else that only appears or happens in your lucid dream. It can be anything. If there is nothing in your current lucid dream, create something really strange. Something that could never be confused with the real world. Now mentally associate the dreamsign (food) with this unusual item or event that could never happen in the real world. But at the same time, this unusual item or event should equate to "lucid dreaming". When you see the unusual item, it should only make you think of when you have a lucid dream as this should be the only time you encountered it. So we have a 3 item associative link. Do all of the above while in a lucid dream. The next time you dream about your dreamsign, your subconscious will think of the unusual item or event. The unusual item or event will make you think of lucid dreaming. The two combined impossibilities (1. dreamsign that cannot exist in the real world 2. item or event that only appears in lucid dreams) will make your unconscious try to make a decision on all this. This will make your conscious mind come to the surface and hopefully you will come to the conclusion that you are dreaming. Many times, you will not want to deal with it because you are too tired (that is why you are sleeping, no?) and fall back into a normal dream state. This is why it can take a few tries. Eventually, your subconscious will start putting clear signs in your dreams like billboards that spell out "YOU ARE DREAMING". But once it triggers, it is quite the realisation that an instant before, you had no real control over your actions and now you can do whatever you want. Another note... if it failed, you will usually know why. So next time, you can choose another dreamsign or slightly different technique or something more shocking. Once you get this working once, it is relatively easy to use over and over as the hard part just described is over with. Sometimes disassociative techniques are needed if used too much. To sum up, this technique is a way to force a reality check while in a normal dream state where your subconscious has no choice but to come to the conclusion that you are in fact dreaming. Once your mind knows that you are dreaming, there will be no other conclusion than your conscious mind taking over. And this is what lucid dreaming is all about. ALL PAST THIS POINT IS THEORETICAL I'd imagine the best way to begin would be to summon him if not already present, while lucid. and then force him over and over again to say your dreaming. it could go 2 ways from here. 1: based off the fact that some people have split personalities it is possible that we all do, we are just unaware or they do not have that strong of an effect. therefore you could train a DC to convince you that you are dreaming every time they see you 2: based off the fact that the DC is part of your subconscious, you could train YOURSELF into every time you see that character for him to tell you "you are dreaming" therefore it would happen. after getting down and forming the habit, then it would be rather simple, every time you see that DC, they would tell you you were dreaming, it may also be possible to do this with multiple DCs, making it so every time you see any of them, they tell you you are dreaming then comes the easier part, training yourself to do RC every time someone tells you you are dreaming, sure they may laugh, who cares? you can burn them or throw them off building in your next dream if it pisses you off that much. Discuss

[Theepicdreamer]

[Binsk]

So basically a home-made dream sign. This sounds oddly familiar. I do like the idea, and think with lots of work it would eventually work to some extent. However, the issue is having the LD's to work on it in the first place. Not only do you have to have a decent amount to get it going, but you have to be willing to spend those dreams working with the DC. I do like the idea, though I would like to see someone else try it as my lucids are once in a blue moon.

[Bobblehat]

Have you seen this page? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_D...echniques#LILD

[Avalanche]

Hm, can't really see this being better than a normal reality check. You train your mind to be aware when you see your hands or whatever dreamsign you have. Your brother is not separate to you in your head, he is still your mind making him up. So to train him as a DC won't have any effect, or at best you yourself see him and remember yourself telling him to tell you you are lucid. It could work as a reality check, just not the way you intend. This has come up before as an idea, I myself thought up a mantra to maybe make dream characters come up and tell me I'm dreaming. But the thing is it's all you, so you can't just dump the effort onto something else in hope they will make you lucid- it is all in the one mind.

[Ctharlhie]

The way you're seeing it Avalanche is as just another dreamsign, 'when I see my brother I will RC an become lucid' and yes that is fallible, it relies on you seeing your brother in a dream and being aware enough to question the dream state because of it. But to instruct a dream character, an element of your sub-conscious, to tell you when you are dreaming, that's got potential and it has been raised in other threads. I think rather than your brother (far too mundane) you have to instruct some fictional/fantasy character, or a dream character you created to make you lucid, I don't think you should use anything from your waking life. 3. Summon to yourself a creature companion. Design every aspect of it, and give it a living piece of your energy, set to replicate itself within this new creation. That will give it a consciousness. How to do this? You give it out of love. And it appears as only light. You may be surprised at the level of intelligence your new buddy will have. Most people who try this, end up with an entire stable of creature creations, all serving a specific purpose. With your new bright red and black striped shadow tiger at a standing height of 11ft and estimated 1,200lbs tackling you each time you pop into the dream realm, you might notice you're dreaming pretty fast. Take your time designing your new companion. Don't just say "tiger with red and black stripes" and give it life, there is much more that can be done than to settle for an earth-like appearance with just a substituted color. Determine the color of the eyes, if there is a glow, the appearance of the fur, is it dull, shiny, glistening with light within a range of orange to yellow? Can he/she heal or breathe fire? You should spend many anxious days and nights constructing it. Once you are done, however, and it is before your eyes as real seeming as real can get, and you see it look at you for the first time, prepare yourself for a collapsed dream. But you'll meet again, next dream, and every one after. They learn very fast, and I mean very fast. They like to spar, a lot. This has potential, particularly as you could visualise and focus your intent on your dream companion as you fell asleep.

[Avalanche]

Hm, that sounds pretty cool enough to try. I'll give that a shot, it does make the original idea by Theepicdreamer sounds a bit more plausible.

[Ctharlhie]

Hm, that sounds pretty cool enough to try. I'll give that a shot, it does make the original idea by Theepicdreamer sounds a bit more plausible. If you try it then there's no harm in making your 'companion' the basis for your initial lucid dream. Design him/her in waking life, with as much detail as you can (if you're not the artistic type then visualise it the best you can), then upon going to sleep, start incubating the thought of dreaming of this companion. As AL3ZAY said, seeing an 11" black and red tiger should pretty quickly make you lucid. Instruct your new dream buddy and BAM! Ensured future lucidity.

[Avalanche]

Instruct your new dream buddy and BAM! Ensured future lucidity. That's a pretty bold statement to make, sure fire lucidity.

[Ctharlhie]

That's a pretty bold statement to make, sure fire lucidity. Yeah I wasn't being entirely serious

[Avalanche]

Yeah I wasn't being entirely serious Neither was I really lol. Anyway, I'm going to think up a companion. Wonder what it should be....

[Ctharlhie]

I love wolves, I think they have a certain powerful symbolism to them, like the whole native American 'spirit guide' thing. But when I get round to doing this I'm probably going to try making many different animals

[Avalanche]

Yeah wolves are very VERY over used. Same as horses and eagles. I have a few ideas, now to just modify and change to make it specific.

[Ctharlhie]

This could work for you, conventional techniques seem to have little mileage and you're always talking about videogames related tasks, maybe you need something creative like this to get you lucid.

[Theepicdreamer]

wow. this is awesome, i am totally doing this as soon as my control is up more. now to think of a companion. first of all, it cant be hideous, or too complicated. yet also can't be realistic... i dont want some cute widdle fwuffy bunny, but i also dont want a flying vampire squid "with frickin laser beams attatched to thier heads" id would need to reflect my personality, and it needs to be something i dont just see in video games... guh... im gonna think this over...

[Theepicdreamer]

Giant scorpians. No... Id like something that flies giant... Flying scorpians? No... PERFECT A FUCKING DRAGON

[Theepicdreamer]

Okay, i got several ideas on how to create said creature. Well... 1. Sculpt it out of clay and bring it to life. Using... Magic

[Bobblehat]

I have thought about this in the past and have wondered if, instead of "designing" a DC that tells you that you're dreaming, you design a DE: that is, a dream environment. My thoughts are that this could be a minimal world - perhaps a world without objects, just miles and miles of flatness coloured white, with a totally white sky. When you experience this environment in a non-lucid, it may trigger lucidity. I don't think it would work, though.

[Ctharlhie]

I have thought about this in the past and have wondered if, instead of "designing" a DC that tells you that you're dreaming, you design a DE: that is, a dream environment. My thoughts are that this could be a minimal world - perhaps a world without objects, just miles and miles of flatness coloured white, with a totally white sky. When you experience this environment in a non-lucid, it may trigger lucidity. I don't think it would work, though. Why not? Think up your fantasy world and incubate it like hell.

[Theepicdreamer]

i read what you posted earlier bobblehat, the link? something about making billboards that say "you are dreaming" on them.

[Avalanche]

"with frickin laser beams attatched to thier heads" That's an Austin Powers' quote right? Dr. Evil? Also, I don't think you should focus on how the creature appears to you in a dream, as at that point you would not have control. You should focus on what it looks like and your ability to spot it and associate it with clarity and lucidity.

[Theepicdreamer]

ah so kinda like in homestar runner (yea i used to watch that) with the creating your own animal, make a good name and let it pop into being

[Avalanche]

Well you still need to create it and think it up, it's more how it acts and appears in a dream that should be left up to your mind itself. If you could control it anyway, why not just apply the same thing to an obvious dreamsign appearing before you? With the creature, is should be mobile and active, stand out very well, and friendly, so it interacts with you in the dream, instead of you hoping you somehow spot it and get lucid by seeing it.

[Linkzelda]

Ah, I remember that site, I even went to the links for the Liquid Dream Application. It seems to be handy, especially the WILD inducer flashing. I've been trying to get to my DG to remind me that I'm dreaming, but I still can't find her. I know she's a blonde because most of my dreams involve me being with a blonde female.

[Ctharlhie]

This may be of interest: Character Assisted Lucid Dreaming - CALD