Thread: Tulpa and Lucid Dreaming.

I don't really believe in it all that much to be honest. I believe that it's possible to do and that some people can do it, but even with a mind as open as my own, I think it's a little strange. It's essentially having an imaginary friend but on a whole new level.

Me too,I find it very strange,but I think it can be a great way of practicing visualization,and maybe creating a special dream character that could be a guide of some sort.Also,creating a place to visit in your dreams.Now,about the fact that other people can see or interact with it,I'm not believing it much,but as a personification of your sub conscious,maybe.I'm extremely lazy,I can't even keep up with reality checks,I dunno if I could put so much though into this.

Well from what I've read, other people cannot see or interact with your Tulpa unless you allow it to "possess" your body and let it express itself through you. However, I consider it to be almost like a forced version of schizophrenia.

Yeah, I am not too big of a fan of the idea, but I am researching it a lot. It sounds either like you said forced schizophrenia or some olsort of entity that is already there, if you believe in such things.

Schizophrenia involves chronic and severe disturbance in the brain. Meaning you’ll be having a difficult time gathering your thoughts together to the point where the more you are receptive to the negativity or whatever trending set of voices coming at you, that you start getting really really really really really really delusion.

The same implication when people use the words “itself” on said tulpa is also contradicting to their claim of them being an aspect of forced schizophrenia.

To imply to let “it” “express itself” to you through possession, as if “it’s” something completely abstract from your whole being , and to then combine it with schizophrenia, when you’re also implying (if you’re really paying damn attention to the meaning of schizophrenia) that it’s you defragmenting your reality to some extent.

To imply it’s schizophrenia, meaning you’re positive it’s based on your perception, and then ignoring the term completely by stating it could be a separate entity……………..
When you’re saying it is schizophrenia and then using the words like “it,” to imply the tulpa is just an abomination or creature, it’s really just saying that people with tulpa are creatures or “it” themselves (the hosts).

Although you obviously are seeing connections, it’s all for the wrong cause. These misconceptions continue to skew your understanding of what a tulpa really is. It’s not a disturbance in your brain, it’s only a “disturbance” to the static reality you’re so afraid of “messing up.”

Schizophrenia does involve voices, but usually, you really can’t control them or moderate them, which again, is a disturbance in the brain that prevents you to do so, or at least makes it very difficult you to forget those voices in your head overall.

Tulpa creation is all about seeing yourself in a different light, but people continue to send the dualism into a completely different matter with it being a forced schizophrenia. You can’t “force” yourself to have a disorder…..that’s contradicting the same reality you’re endorsing that implies that tulpa aren’t genuine thought forms that are you as a whole; not someone separate, or any implication that they’re separate through their expression in possession.

There are a few anomalies that might contribute to the trending nature of schizophrenia, but those exceptions are very limited, and are not substantial enough to stamp this is a “forced” schizophrenia. Do enlighten yourself with what schizophrenia really means.

It’s a disorder, you can’t force it; it’s disturbance, something hard to control. The only reason tulpa creation could even be anywhere NEAR that is through self-fulfilling prophecies, and that involves EXTREME belief in the worst case scenarios where your tulpa starts trending to actions similar to schizophrenia, but in the long run, it won’t be a “forced” version of it; it might be connected in someone way, but again, it’s not genuinely that disorder.

Your false predictions leading to an augmenting mental filter from your perception of reality; labeling what action is “insane” and what action is “normal”……………..that’s just as the same with concentrating so much thought energy into that disbelief that your mind makes that conviction a reality…but it’s really just an illusion on your end as well.

As for the OP who wondered if tulpa can be like a dream guide, yes, in a way, they can be in your dreams as well. Since they are an aspect of your subconscious, or a better medium or link to accessing your subconscious, they would have traits similar to what you see in dream guides.

But the concept of dream guides themselves is so varied that it’s only that case where you accept the practicality that whatever you believe dream guides are, they are ultimately a part of a higher aspect of yourself (subconscious/unconscious/insert higher state of awareness or consciousness here).

They’re aware of their reality, they’re aware of what you’re doing, and such. The same goes for your tulpa. There’s no disturbances, there’s no “blackouts,” there’s no severe and chronic disturbances in your brain that makes you not be able to grasp the perception of reality you’re so accustomed to.

That lies within your own belief, which again, is just another concept of self-fulfilling prophecies. It lies in you not being able to realize that crazy and normal are completely subjective, not an absolute standard.

I think with anything a person is afraid of experimenting with shouldn’t set the conviction that it’s crazy or use wrong terms to imply “this” or “that”; it’s merely your disallowance to actually fully understand the matter and start putting wrong terms in the same umbrella of a horrible connection you’re trying to utilize with “forced” schizophrenia.

First of all, everything Linkzelda said.

Now, as for my experience with tulpae helping with lucid dreaming...
Kayleigh helped me to become lucid once, but she finds it difficult to enter my dreams and hasn't been able to repeat it yet.
Link and I accidentally share dreams now and then, but, so far, they've all been non-lucid for both of us. I've also tried to enter his dreams a couple of times, though without success so far.

Firstly Schizophrenia is a mental condition so there's no way that you can force it on yourself, in short you Brain can't go being perfectly fine to a mental reck just because you focus hard. Secondly everyone seems to be saying that people with a Tulpa belong in a mental home (not this post) well to start off hallucinations are perfectly normal to be happening to sane people. The fact is that what you see is not real, it's your brains representation of what is real in fact every sense is. So as you can imagine the brain can lay over you vision what ever it thinks is there, if your brain thinks a Tulpa is there then a tulpa will be there. It's similar to sleep paralysis because your brain doesn't know why there is something pushing down on your chest and you can't move it makes a hallucination. And lastly anybody that thinks a tulpa can kill you is coming from personal belief there has been no cases in which someone with a tulpa has gone crazy or killed themselves. Even lucid dreaming seems to have more relation in to creating a psychopath than tulpas do. ( there might be some mistakes here, I'm still fairly new )

From these posts, it is clear I have offended some people. I assure you, that was not my intention. When I say it is like forced schizophrenia I simply means it reminds me a lot of the symptoms of some forms of schizophrenia. I have read that even in waking life, you can feel that your Tulpa is with you and that you can sort of see them as a shadow out of the corner of your eye, despite nobody else being able to see them. That is what makes me a little uneasy about all of this; bringing your subconscious into your every day reality. A lot of people also say that if you create your own tulpa and stop going to visit them and stop paying attention to them, it is like murder. Personally, I do not believe that it is possible that you could have an independently thinking entity other than yourself inside your mind. I apologize if I have got the facts of tulpa wrong as I have only read information from one thread about tulpa creation but from what I can gather, they are separate entities that you spend time creating in your mind and programming who then eventually take on lives of their own. That is why I find it a little difficult to believe.

@ araishu
If you talk a lot to some DCs you will think different about being able to do it. And yes. I agree that it seems like it has schizophrenia type ideas. That is also what I meant when I said it.

@ Link. I think that you can see how it seems like schizophrenia. Yes there are many differences like the ones you mentioned, but I do not think you can get offended for people seeing them that way. But! When I think of you seeing your tulpa as a friend, I can see how it is offensive. And I apologize as well.

Also want to add that I do not like the idea a lot because I love being with people when I am with people, and when I am alone, I like being alone.

Putting it simply a tulpa is a Tibetan Buddhism term that in more Western terms is a packet of subtle energy with an intent. This concept throughout the ages has created the idea of golems and servitors. It is indeed formed through will or intent. Whether people can see them, I'm not sure, but I'm quite sure you can interact with one as I cannot deny a few of my experiences. But it should be noted that they are not 'alive', they are simply energy with an intent.

@L4xord
I am very interested in the concept of this. I do believe it's entirely possible to create something similar, but whether or not they are actually sentient or "alive" is another matter.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

Yes there are many differences like the ones you mentioned, but I do not think you can get offended for people seeing them that way.

I understand that people have their own personal beliefs, I do not wish impose this idea or the next. All I wanted to clarify in the end is that anything that you might not believe is practical, at least understand what it is you're rejecting. I apologize to Araishu and you BrandonBoss for me seemingly being insulted.

You two and everyone else has the right to make any choice you want, and you have every right to view what you think is in your reality; I'm not in control of any of that, I just wanted state something in a previous thread about tulpa that ended up in hefty debate (or at least in clarifications of misconceptions of them) that some people used words like schizophrenia and other negative things like tulpa killing the host, etc. very loosely.
There were a few people who claimed they applied a rationale, but clearly didn't read the set of information the OP stated (from the other thread of course)
That's why my goal in the post was to state that even if you don't conceptualize the thought of something being practical for your own personal life, at least understand the mechanics that makes others believe it.
You are free to accept or reject that ideology, just at least understand it a bit more before putting certain terms in the same category of tulpa.

Originally Posted by Araishu

...you can feel that your Tulpa is with you and that you can sort of see them as a shadow out of the corner of your eye, despite nobody else being able to see them. That is what makes me a little uneasy about all of this; bringing your subconscious into your everyday reality

I understand that this would make you feel uneasy, but you already know that your subconscious does have a presence in your everyday reality without your constant awareness of it being there. The concept of tulpa is simply taking it a bit further by creating a vessel or medium, and even though that might sound a bit blatant in terms of trying to preserve the cause of making one's tulpa humanized in some way, ultimately, they are a very powerful link to your subconscious.

Your subconscious is with you in your everyday reality, even if you don't decide to make a tulpa through sentient and a distinct voice or a just a distinct voice in your head, the subconscious can still process information in your head you're taking in, and can independently process things without your awareness. They’re just a shadow that you’re not acknowledging.
I agree that you can view the subconscious as a programming system that acts accordingly to your desires (which is why when we use an impractical mantra for instance, it might make it difficult for the subconscious to fulfill that desire).

It's simply a matter of awareness of how it's all you, except you're just engaged in a certain role while other parts of your body and mind are doing theirs.

I like to think of the analogy of Google Spider bots going on their own path, but they’re not isolated from you at all, it’s just that with the generalized understanding of an entity, we can see anything that embodies that concept as someone that has autonomous abilities without any kind of control from us; but those same "bots" are still part of the system, except they’re just extending to gather more information while you engage in your level of awareness.

That's just my take on extending the analogy, but the mechanics of it can be applied to tulpa creation, except you can see them as humanized as you are and more, if you wish them to be so.

But of course, this is up to you to believe whether or not you, your subconscious, and unconscious are simply elements of yourself you apply a certain level of awareness to.

Originally Posted by L4xord

But it should be noted that they are not 'alive', they are simply energy with an intent.

Yes, I completely agree with this; it's just that some people derive and apply the concept that they are alive to avoid identity crisis and potentially going in a state of negativity (for the tulpa of course). But yes, they really are just thought form with intent, but in terms of sentience as entities, they are alive, just not in a literal sense.

The attention you give your tulpa is intent as well, and you can still be able to understand that they're not literally "alive" where others can see them.