So if a newbie would describe his first lucid dream and it would seem to you a low level lucid, you would tell him he didn't have a LD? |
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So if a newbie would describe his first lucid dream and it would seem to you a low level lucid, you would tell him he didn't have a LD? |
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Last edited by gab; 05-29-2013 at 10:41 PM. Reason: posts merged
So if a newbie would describe his first lucid dream and it would seem to you a low level lucid, you would tell him he didn't have a LD? |
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Good point. That might be partially my fault, or at least I feel like every conversation I've been in over the last few weeks has had the word "level" in it. |
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I don't think it matters when you are just starting out, whether you have a high or low level of lucidity, as long as there is some lucidity there (ie. they aren't having a false/virtual lucid). |
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^^ Agreed. |
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Ok, so is False Lucid and accepted name? Where does it come from? |
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^^ Since it's just a dream, I'm not sure false lucid is an actual accepted, "official" term -- and it got no hits that I noticed on the Bing search I just did. |
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God, it's all Sageous's fault! |
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AHHHHH! My mind is spinning in circles here. Forgive my poor uneducated brain everyone. To be honest as a new person around here, hearing that there are multiple levels of awareness and multiple levels of Lucidity makes more sense than things like False Lucid. It seems a bit harsh to say someone had a "False Lucid Dream", when (if I am understanding corectly, and anyone can correct me at any point) in fact it is just a lower level of lucidity. At least (if I am catching the gist of it) he is "On the verge" of a fully Lucid state. |
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This is what I take away from this thread. |
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Well this thread got tl;dr for me but I wanted to jump in. (Geez, this is why I like staying in my own little corner of DV ) I don't like the term false lucid either In fact, I hate it. But I think it's all moot point since (*cringe*) false lucid = non lucid. I like to keep things simple and if I over-think things as much as you all seem to do I tend to get really discouraged and overwhelmed. I mean, why do we have to get so technical? Maybe it's just me but I intuitively know if I was really lucid regardless of whether or not the dream mimicked lucidity in every way. I have had dreams like that and deep down I know that it was not a lucid dream. I'm able to admit that, learn from it and move on. IMHO all that's important is that we aim to get lucid regularly and then we continue to learn to have higher awareness for longer periods of time. Call it what the hell you want to and then try for better next time. I'd rather put my efforts toward getting better then trying to label everything and worry how high or low my lucidity is. |
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Last edited by Xanous; 05-30-2013 at 12:46 AM.
"Oh, and everything is not what it seems
This life is but a dream"
Breakers Roar by Sturgill Simpson
Personally, I would be ok with calling a dream I would have a false lucid, but I would never be comfortable telling someone else that their dream was a false lucid because while I can tell whether I felt lucid or not (and I reassessed after all that was written here, and yes my two LDs in 2013 definitely were low level lucids and not false lucids, yay), however, I cannot get into somebody else's head, and thus I cannot tell them whether they were lucid or not if we say that someone can think they are dreaming in a no lucid dream). I would not be comfortable questioning someone else if they thought they were lucid - who am I to tell them that I know better what went on inside their head than they think they do. And I would not be comfortable with the possibility of being wrong and telling someone that they were not lucid when in fact they were but I mistakenly thought it was a false lucid - I would much rather be mistaken in the other direction. |
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You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one - John Lennon
Xanous - Virtual lucid seems to be a better term, there needs to be a way to explain what has happened. |
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Very nice logic on everyone's part. I would jump in, but everything seems clear. |
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Personally I wouldn't make the call for them - I'd rather tell them about both possibilities - it could have been a false lucid, or it could have been a lucid with very low awareness. Leave it up to them to decide or to ponder it - in the end only they can really determine which it was, and they might not be able to do that until after they've experienced actual lucidity later. |
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^^ No problem; I know the feeling. As long as I'm here: |
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Last edited by Sageous; 05-30-2013 at 02:20 AM.
Wow this thread got way larger than I thought it would have. Good to know so many of you feel so passionately about the subject. All I can say after reading is that I'm judging what my dream was as a false lucid because although I did things I planned on doing when lucid, the actions I did were no deliberate. I felt as though I was watching someone else do all of them and that another entity all together had lucidity and I was just a spectator. |
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Oh it's definitely progress!! |
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^^ What he said. |
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I can vouch for the existence of false lucid dreams. I've had at least 3 before, and I would literally be saying, "OMG! I'M DREAMING!" and not become lucid. |
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