Quote Originally Posted by JoannaB View Post
TranquilityTrip, I think you misunderstood what I was asking. I do not deny that people who thoughtlessly watch a movie like dream of themselves as lucid, are in a false lucid. I completely agree that false lucids are non lucid.

However, what I am questioning now is whether one needs to recognize that one is dreaming to be lucid. If one has a dream in which one is conscious, aware, and present, but falsely concludes that it is not a dream, I am questioning whether that is really a non lucid. It feels more like a lucid, a very low level lucid, but still.

I think the original definition of a lucid focuses too much on the "this is a dream" conclusion, whereas my argument here is that it should be about self awareness. Thus, if one is aware and conscious, but fails to correctly identify dream state, I am thinking that that experience is more like a lucid than like a non lucid.
Oh I see. Well, even so, I don't necessarily think that is the case. But I guess that's where your argument is arising from. In my mind you can be aware of your surroundings, be in control of your actions, and be conscious of your existence without being lucid. Most of my dreams have been like this in fact. For example, I could be fighting zombies in a hospital. In this case I am aware of my location, my current state (as opposed to being a zombie), and the current threats posed against me (zombies). But I am not lucid and I am not on the threshold of becoming lucid either.