Thread: non-Acceptance of LD's

Originally Posted by Soulless

I'm unsure why you would feel the need to share such personal experiences with people who could so easily harm you with rejection of those experiences. They're only human, they can't accept all of you so wholly and utterly, especially something so deeply introspective of your self.

I'm fairly known amongst the few people I tell my dreams to that I have intense, vivid, movie-like dreams. It's often easier to chalk it up to something sciencey sounding like "there is a study going around involving a large amount of brain chemistry that makes sense of more vivid XXX YYY". Lucid Dreaming as far as I understand is a system that can't really be understood, really understood, without having both interest and investment enough to experience it for yourself. Then again, this is as with all things extremely introspective.

The thing about lucid dreaming is that it is such a fantastic skill to have that you eagerly want everyone to know about it, because it's something that is too precious to miss out on.
I sincerely believe that almost anyone would love lucid dreaming if they really got an opportunity to experience it, because I frankly cannot see any reason why anyone would not want to experience lucid dreams, other than that some people might feel that they never "shut down" properly, but personally I think vivid lucid dreams make me feel more invigorated than normal in the mornings, and I have on several occasions woken up laughing like a freak to myself for hours just because the lucid dream I had was so incredibly cool.
Flying among dream clouds is incredibly beautiful and relaxing, and the fact that lucid dreams give you the potential to experience your wildest desires in stunning realism is an excellent reason to practice lucid dreaming and even make it a part of your lifestyle.

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

The thing about lucid dreaming is that it is such a fantastic skill to have that you eagerly want everyone to know about it, because it's something that is too precious to miss out on.
I sincerely believe that almost anyone would love lucid dreaming if they really got an opportunity to experience it, because I frankly cannot see any reason why anyone would not want to experience lucid dreams, other than that some people might feel that they never "shut down" properly, but personally I think vivid lucid dreams make me feel more invigorated than normal in the mornings, and I have on several occasions woken up laughing like a freak to myself for hours just because the lucid dream I had was so incredibly cool.
Flying among dream clouds is incredibly beautiful and relaxing, and the fact that lucid dreams give you the potential to experience your wildest desires in stunning realism is an excellent reason to practice lucid dreaming and even make it a part of your lifestyle.

This is the part where I feel that we make our disagreements. Whatever you think is wonderful, doesn't mean that it should apply for anyone else. Do you not have the kind of understanding that other's lives may in fact be drastically different from yours? Even if I have no faith in God, I can understand that a Christian may feel the most intense comfort from their prayer, and as such I won't try to shove my personal beliefs onto them in some insistence that I believe absolutely everyone would be happier if they experience what I experience. The kind of pushing "I'm sure you will be better off if you follow my way" is the same trap that obnoxious religious recruiters and street preachers use. Just because you don't have a reason not to love lucid dreams doesn't mean that there isn't one that exists for other people.

Personally for example, I would never try to fly or act out my desires in dreams, as I feel it is disrespectful to the dreams and the people I meet in them. I feel it is like taking a wild animal and ripping out its teeth to have it heel at your feet. However, I am sure you feel that such dream control is relaxing and wonderful and you are wholly justified in your usage of dream control and what you wish to do with your dreams. I would recommend, at the very least, to maybe allow some understanding for vastly different experiences than yours. I'm sure there are plenty of experiences that justify having no interest in lucid dreams, such as straight up never remembering dreams, or having such an epic and great waking life that they may feel no real need to peruse dreams.

Originally Posted by Soulless

This is the part where I feel that we make our disagreements. Whatever you think is wonderful, doesn't mean that it should apply for anyone else. Do you not have the kind of understanding that other's lives may in fact be drastically different from yours? Even if I have no faith in God, I can understand that a Christian may feel the most intense comfort from their prayer, and as such I won't try to shove my personal beliefs onto them in some insistence that I believe absolutely everyone would be happier if they experience what I experience. The kind of pushing "I'm sure you will be better off if you follow my way" is the same trap that obnoxious religious recruiters and street preachers use. Just because you don't have a reason not to love lucid dreams doesn't mean that there isn't one that exists for other people.

Personally for example, I would never try to fly or act out my desires in dreams, as I feel it is disrespectful to the dreams and the people I meet in them. I feel it is like taking a wild animal and ripping out its teeth to have it heel at your feet. However, I am sure you feel that such dream control is relaxing and wonderful and you are wholly justified in your usage of dream control and what you wish to do with your dreams. I would recommend, at the very least, to maybe allow some understanding for vastly different experiences than yours. I'm sure there are plenty of experiences that justify having no interest in lucid dreams, such as straight up never remembering dreams, or having such an epic and great waking life that they may feel no real need to peruse dreams.

My point was that I cannot see any concrete reason for anyone to have anything against lucid dreaming if they were to start experiencing it themselves;
even people who are not interested in lucid dreaming in general have told me about their spontaneous lucid dreams and found them very fascinating.
The only possible negative aspect I can find about lucid dreaming is that some people might feel that they are "too awake" in the lucid dreams and feel like they don't sleep enough, but except for that I can only see great advantages to lucid dreaming.
You don't even need to control the lucid dreams, if you want to be surprised and explore the unknown then you are free to do that as well, and let the dream go its own ways.

I also don't understand what you mean by "disrespectful to the dreams".
That's like saying it is disrespectful to daydream, because daydreaming is technically a form of lucid dreaming, although not nearly as immersive as real lucid dreams.