Thread: Will lucid dreaming become illegal one day ?

is this true?
i hope not. Or my time wasting on LD's would be useless lol

Originally Posted by Iriba

is this true?
i hope not. Or my time wasting on LD's would be useless lol

Its a hypothetical philosophical joke Iriba dont worry its just a dream lol and good luck with you lding

Originally Posted by Sageous

With all the things to be paranoid about in life, there really seems no need to add yet another; especially given that LD'ing would be impossible to regulate, monitor, punish, or eliminate. Yes, "They" might choose one day to regulate or control devices that help us LD, but, since LD'ing is a product of the mind and not of machines, that would do very little to stop the practice.

In an odd way I sort of hope LD'ing gets regulated one day, because that would mean it has become commonplace -- which for me is a very good thing.

your right am paranoid most of the time for no reason

Originally Posted by AdviceDoc

Because that's worked so well. The war on drugs is a complete failure. So would the war or lucid dreaming. I honestly can't see them being able to stop anyone ever. Which is a good thing

Epic , actually nothing could be better on lucid dreaming than a war on it , even drugs which i believe is (in most cases ) a very bad and destructive and terrible thing, a full scale war on it is a complete failure so imagine lucid dreaming which i believe is an awesome therapeutic constructive thing when a war is launched on it. kinda like when you do affirmation in a negative since like i don't want you to think of an elephant .

It is honestly pretty interesting to think about this.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that someone did manage to create a lucid dreaming apparatus of some sort - surely it would be very easy to become addicted to something like that?
It's exactly like having a holodeck in your home where you can fulfill any fantasies you want in perfect realism, almost whenever you want.
I can see that a lot of people would risk becoming addicted to something like that.

But then again, if we are going to make lucid dreaming illegal because of this then we might as well make stuff like alcohol, cigarettes and one-armed bandits illegal as well, and for much better reasons.
But that would be a bit fascistic.

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

It is honestly pretty interesting to think about this.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that someone did manage to create a lucid dreaming apparatus of some sort - surely it would be very easy to become addicted to something like that?
It's exactly like having a holodeck in your home where you can fulfill any fantasies you want in perfect realism, almost whenever you want.
I can see that a lot of people would risk becoming addicted to something like that.

But then again, if we are going to make lucid dreaming illegal because of this then we might as well make stuff like alcohol, cigarettes and one-armed bandits illegal as well, and for much better reasons.
But that would be a bit fascistic.

I think it might be handled alike addiction to PC
Since PC, it's games, movies, internet and other stuff is a virtual world in which some might spend lots of time

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

It is honestly pretty interesting to think about this.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that someone did manage to create a lucid dreaming apparatus of some sort - surely it would be very easy to become addicted to something like that?
It's exactly like having a holodeck in your home where you can fulfill any fantasies you want in perfect realism, almost whenever you want.
I can see that a lot of people would risk becoming addicted to something like that.

But then again, if we are going to make lucid dreaming illegal because of this then we might as well make stuff like alcohol, cigarettes and one-armed bandits illegal as well, and for much better reasons.
But that would be a bit fascistic.

practically speaking i am addicted to lucid dreaming right now imagine if a machine comes out, it will be the ultimate escape from reality i think it will be simple enough that banning it would be like banning electricity , so they will have to watch the whole word get addicted to a machine and they cant do anything about it how cool is that .

Huh. Now I really don't want lucid dreaming to become mainstream. You bring up an excellent point, OP. Although, if lucid dreaming machines become a thing by the arrival of the next generation and it isn't illegal or a social taboo and instead becomes the new, awesome thing in the media's eyes, imagine how we can brag to our kids! That we were among the very few people who, in our generation, practiced lucid dreaming before there were any effective and affordable machines for it and when barely anyone knew about it! Well... I'm speaking for the young people here, I guess. The older crowd would take that role as the cool grandparents, I suppose.

Or, you know, we'd become the grumbling, old coots hating on newfangled machinery and gasping, "In my day, we didn't have machines that could make us lucid automatically! We had to work for every lucid dream we got and no-one we knew even cared about it!" And the kids would wait for us to leave them alone and realise that they don't care about how much more character we had about this while simultaneously wondering how we could have survived in a time without such basic technology. You know, it'd be the computers of the next generation. Could go either way.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Question!

How?

Seriously, how? The government will invent a machine that allows them to see your dreams and a very cheap brain-wave-reading-machine and then monitor every citizen of their city to some old-bored man so that they check you aren't becoming lucid? I was LDing for years without anyone knowing, so don't see how it owuld be possible to keep such a law. Maybe discredit or belittle it to make it less popular, but a ban would if at all, just make it all the more appealing and have the opposite effect.

You know how they tried with the crazy guy who had a DJ? I bet they would pick up random people and accuse them of the same, but a ban makes no sense with our current technology. I guess it depends on how cheap it would be to monitor dreamers?

Well, before they acquired the technology to directly monitor other people's dreams or lucidity levels, officials could just ban the machines that induce lucid dreaming automatically, making it harder for anyone to develop a lucid dreaming habit. If such technology had become widely available then people would become dependent on it and unwilling to take the long route and try it any other way. You know, like people are with books and no Internet today! Or... like people are with lucid dreaming today!

Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

Huh. Now I really don't want lucid dreaming to become mainstream. You bring up an excellent point, OP. Although, if lucid dreaming machines become a thing by the arrival of the next generation and it isn't illegal or a social taboo and instead becomes the new, awesome thing in the media's eyes, imagine how we can brag to our kids! That we were among the very few people who, in our generation, practiced lucid dreaming before there were any effective and affordable machines for it and when barely anyone knew about it! Well... I'm speaking for the young people here, I guess. The older crowd would take that role as the cool grandparents, I suppose.

Or, you know, we'd become the grumbling, old coots hating on newfangled machinery and gasping, "In my day, we didn't have machines that could make us lucid automatically! We had to work for every lucid dream we got and no-one we knew even cared about it!" And the kids would wait for us to leave them alone and realise that they don't care about how much more character we had about this while simultaneously wondering how we could have survived in a time without such basic technology. You know, it'd be the computers of the next generation. Could go either way.



Well, before they acquired the technology to directly monitor other people's dreams or lucidity levels, officials could just ban the machines that induce lucid dreaming automatically, making it harder for anyone to develop a lucid dreaming habit. If such technology had become widely available then people would become dependent on it and unwilling to take the long route and try it any other way. You know, like people are with books and no Internet today! Or... like people are with lucid dreaming today!

Its remarkable how lucid dreamers (like you ) have such a level of intellect and thoughtfulness and the ability to foresee effects of a cascade of possible events in the future using only there minds and imagination i guess its either an effect of lucid dreaming it self or that people who are interested in lucid dreaming have this ability in the first place .

Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

Huh. Now I really don't want lucid dreaming to become mainstream. You bring up an excellent point, OP. Although, if lucid dreaming machines become a thing by the arrival of the next generation and it isn't illegal or a social taboo and instead becomes the new, awesome thing in the media's eyes, imagine how we can brag to our kids! That we were among the very few people who, in our generation, practiced lucid dreaming before there were any effective and affordable machines for it and when barely anyone knew about it!

Actually, I kind of like how lucid dreaming isn't anywhere near mainstream yet, it's pretty cool to practice something extremely awesome that most people don't even know anything about.
If it became mainstream then it wouldn't feel quite as "special" anymore.

Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

Well, before they acquired the technology to directly monitor other people's dreams or lucidity levels, officials could just ban the machines that induce lucid dreaming automatically, making it harder for anyone to develop a lucid dreaming habit. If such technology had become widely available then people would become dependent on it and unwilling to take the long route and try it any other way. You know, like people are with books and no Internet today! Or... like people are with lucid dreaming today!

Pfft, everyone knows you have to do every bit of effort in order to break the law! I mean, what lenghts kids go to in order to do something illegal and feel cool? Can you imagine the level of dedication they will pour on it just to feel "cool" and "bad"? Thats the thing with bans, makes you want to do it more. Now whether thats good or bad... remains unknown.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Pfft, everyone knows you have to do every bit of effort in order to break the law! I mean, what lenghts kids go to in order to do something illegal and feel cool? Can you imagine the level of dedication they will pour on it just to feel "cool" and "bad"? Thats the thing with bans, makes you want to do it more. Now whether thats good or bad... remains unknown.

Absolutely true its like trying to blow a fire out but end up supplying it with oxygen.

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

Its remarkable how lucid dreamers (like you ) have such a level of intellect and thoughtfulness and the ability to foresee effects of a cascade of possible events in the future using only there minds and imagination i guess its either an effect of lucid dreaming it self or that people who are interested in lucid dreaming have this ability in the first place .

Oh, thank you! I wasn't really predicting anything, though. Just shooting ideas about what could happen based on the given information and what we know of the world today. And to be honest, I think lucid dreaming does tend to attract a more intellectual and creative crowd than is normally seen because those are the people who are more likely to see the potential of lucid dreaming despite it not (currently) being a popular practice. As for lucid dreaming making someone smarter? Perhaps, if used well, though I haven't had enough lucid dreams in my time to have reached that stage yet.

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

Actually, I kind of like how lucid dreaming isn't anywhere near mainstream yet, it's pretty cool to practice something extremely awesome that most people don't even know anything about.
If it became mainstream then it wouldn't feel quite as "special" anymore.

Yep! It's cool being one of the people to practice such a niche thing that is also really amazing in itself. Hipster oneironauts unite!

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

Actually, I kind of like how lucid dreaming isn't anywhere near mainstream yet, it's pretty cool to practice something extremely awesome that most people don't even know anything about.
If it became mainstream then it wouldn't feel quite as "special" anymore.

Dont worry your coolness is guaranteed already , even it become mainstream your one of the few who knew the earth is round

In my humble opinion, I think if lucid dreaming caught on and a 99% LD induction machine was publicly available, it won't be illegal, nor would it be considered a bad thing. Actually, that bit about the Arab world being the first to ban lucid dreaming gave me a hysterical case of the lulz. Most people here don't even know about lucid dreaming, and those that do love it. It is literally an Islamic belief that an asleep person does not sin (while sleeping), and I'm fairly certain lucid dreams occur while you sleep.

Lucid dreaming being illegal seems extremely unlikely. Anything that can be done in lucid dreams can also be done in non-lucid dreams, dreams that we have every night. If lucid dreaming will be banned, might as well ban sleeping in the first place.

Originally Posted by Dojyaaan

In my humble opinion, I think if lucid dreaming caught on and a 99% LD induction machine was publicly available, it won't be illegal, nor would it be considered a bad thing. Actually, that bit about the Arab world being the first to ban lucid dreaming gave me a hysterical case of the lulz. Most people here don't even know about lucid dreaming, and those that do love it. It is literally an Islamic belief that an asleep person does not sin (while sleeping), and I'm fairly certain lucid dreams occur while you sleep.

Lucid dreaming being illegal seems extremely unlikely. Anything that can be done in lucid dreams can also be done in non-lucid dreams, dreams that we have every night. If lucid dreaming will be banned, might as well ban sleeping in the first place.

Am glad someone form the UAE replied to this thread since it is the reason i believe lucid dreaming would be banned because its the first country to ban certain kind of binaural beats called "I-Doser" UAE call to ban hypnotic music as illegal 'digital drug' | The National , they banned a sound for god sake , wont they ban a lucid dreaming machine , Actually i know its an Islamic believe that profit Mohamed (Pbuh) reportedly astraly projected to meet god in the 7th sky, and that peoples soul leave their bodies when they are sleep and return in the next morning, i know all that, but once someone in the Arab world know that you can have sex in a lucid dream there will be an instant fatwa banning lucid dreaming since the Arab world is conservative and particularly sensitive to this topic although i am sure 90% of the youth in the Arab world will try to lucid dream for this reason and this reason only . Although claiming to be tolerant the Arab world is the most intolerant region on earth, Sunnis killing Sheas, Muslims killing Christians , even people from the same sect of religion and from the same country kill each other like in Syria Iraq Libya Yemen and Egypt , i don't blame Islam for that but the intolerance of the Arab world is a fact and i think you know that and since your a lucid dreamer i guess you have higher intellect than the masses and would like to see your region in better shape , although UAE has recently advanced light years ahead of most of the Arab legion and even the gulf countries and is showing the most promise but the ban of I-Doser is quite strange cause i though UAE would be the last to do that.

Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

Oh, thank you! I wasn't really predicting anything, though. Just shooting ideas about what could happen based on the given information and what we know of the world today. And to be honest, I think lucid dreaming does tend to attract a more intellectual and creative crowd than is normally seen because those are the people who are more likely to see the potential of lucid dreaming despite it not (currently) being a popular practice. As for lucid dreaming making someone smarter? Perhaps, if used well, though I haven't had enough lucid dreams in my time to have reached that stage yet.



Yep! It's cool being one of the people to practice such a niche thing that is also really amazing in itself. Hipster oneironauts unite!

I want it to become mainstream cause its a shame how something cool like lucid dreaming is a hoax for many people. A world with that lucid dreams is a much calmer and wiser and happier world i guess .

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

The media will emphasize how lucid dreaming could be a way of cheating since sex is risk free and easy in it followed by a report of a divorce caused by lucid dreaming after a wife found out that her husband have sex in lucid dreams

I also would divorce a man if he had lucid dream sex with someone else. Or masturbated thinking about anyone or anything else but me. Because I don't actually want him to think of me sexually because he wants to. No, no, no, I want him to because he HAS to!

Originally Posted by Freda

For example, the reason most of us don't abuse drugs isn't primarily because it's illegal, but rather because we know it's bad for us. If people were taught of lucid dreaming is bad like they're taught drug abuse is bad they'd probably avoid doing it even though no one can actually stop them.

Nice point. I'd say it kinda is in a way - at least, if you're raised Christian. My mother thinks it's occult stuff. Heh! But even still, I'm sure lucid dreaming taken to an extreme (like addiction) would prove to be bad, too. That seems to be the resonating theme of everything in life.. balance is key (aka... the middle path).

Originally Posted by Hukif

Thats the thing with bans, makes you want to do it more.

QFT

Originally Posted by AstralVagabond

As for lucid dreaming making someone smarter? Perhaps, if used well, though I haven't had enough lucid dreams in my time to have reached that stage yet.

Smarter? Maybe. Wiser? Definitely.
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The way I see it, lucid dreaming is a self-correcting thing already. The more a person engages in addictive negative behavior, whether IRL or via lucid dreaming, the further down they go. It's all awesome (for them), until they either get bored or hit rock bottom (in this lifetime or another), and realize their negative behavior is the source of their overall unhappiness. And then they change their behavior - not because they are forced - but, because they actually want to. Lucid dreaming is kind of a fast track system, because it's so easy to abuse.

Anyways, making sure you're behaving in lucid dreams is kind of the Old Hag's (and Slenderman's?) domain, right? *Shrug*

...And now to go find a place I can rent Paprika!

Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream

I also would divorce a man if he had lucid dream sex with someone else. Or masturbated thinking about anyone or anything else but me. Because I don't actually want him to think of me sexually because he wants to. No, no, no, I want him to because he HAS to!





Nice point. I'd say it kinda is in a way - at least, if you're raised Christian. My mother thinks it's occult stuff. Heh! But even still, I'm sure lucid dreaming taken to an extreme (like addiction) would prove to be bad, too. That seems to be the resonating theme of everything in life.. balance is key (aka... the middle path).



QFT



Smarter? Maybe. Wiser? Definitely.
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The way I see it, lucid dreaming is a self-correcting thing already. The more a person engages in addictive negative behavior, whether IRL or via lucid dreaming, the further down they go. It's all awesome (for them), until they either get bored or hit rock bottom (in this lifetime or another), and realize their negative behavior is the source of their overall unhappiness. And then they change their behavior - not because they are forced - but, because they actually want to. Lucid dreaming is kind of a fast track system, because it's so easy to abuse.

Anyways, making sure you're behaving in lucid dreams is kind of the Old Hag's (and Slenderman's?) domain, right? *Shrug*

...And now to go find a place I can rent Paprika!

You really would get divorced for that lol remember the old cliche "its just a dream "

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

You really would get divorced for that lol remember the old cliche "its just a dream "

Hahah, oh no! It was a meager attempt at sarcasm.

<3

I have noticed something peculiar when I post LD-related stuff on Facebook:
usually I always get a couple Comments and/or Likes when I post something on there, but whenever I post something about lucid dreaming, or ask an open question to all my Friends like "Am I the only one who does this thing?" and post a link about lucid dreaming of some sort, I never get the slightest response whatsoever.
It's completely dead, no Comments or Likes or anything, not even when there are lots of people logged in.

People seem really afraid of the whole subject.

Originally Posted by Laurelindo

I have noticed something peculiar when I post LD-related stuff on Facebook:
usually I always get a couple Comments and/or Likes when I post something on there, but whenever I post something about lucid dreaming, or ask an open question to all my Friends like "Am I the only one who does this thing?" and post a link about lucid dreaming of some sort, I never get the slightest response whatsoever.
It's completely dead, no Comments or Likes or anything, not even when there are lots of people logged in.

People seem really afraid of the whole subject.

Its more like they'r afraid of the "freak tag" than the subject it self , there are two kind of people , people who like common stuff and main stream stuff (obviously they are the majority by definition) , and people who like weird stuff and different stuff and (also obviously by definition they are the minority ) , the people who like different stuff tend to be different in many things rather than one thing cause its kind of a lifestyle ,what this forum does is jet those weird people together to break this feeling of isolation and social disapproval .

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

Its more like they'r afraid of the "freak tag" than the subject it self , there are two kind of people , people who like common stuff and main stream stuff (obviously they are the majority by definition) , and people who like weird stuff and different stuff and (also obviously by definition they are the minority ) , the people who like different stuff tend to be different in many things rather than one thing cause its kind of a lifestyle ,what this forum does is jet those weird people together to break this feeling of isolation and social disapproval .

I guess so, I tend to be really nerdy about things I like a lot.
I guess you will need to be a bit of a nerd to practice lucid dreaming, because my gut feel about other people's attitude to lucid dreaming is that they might be like "ah, sounds cool", but not actually feel like investing any serious time on it.

I do know a guy my age who seems fairly interested though, at least to the point that we sometimes discuss each other's occasional lucid dreams.

Why? does anyone knows whether you are lucid dreaming or not?
come one logically no one cares its your life. =)

Originally Posted by Karlitaki

Why? does anyone knows whether you are lucid dreaming or not?
come one logically no one cares its your life. =)

We are not discussing natural lucid dreaming since its impossible to ban except theoretically but lucid dreams inducing aids and machines that would make lucid dreaming accessible to almost everybody could lead to a lucid dreaming ban.

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

We are not discussing natural lucid dreaming since its impossible to ban except theoretically but lucid dreams inducing aids and machines that would make lucid dreaming accessible to almost everybody could lead to a lucid dreaming ban.

We dont care about that , we live a very short life.. we sleep everyday 1 or 2 or more times , we dream as our free will and is not anyone hands except ours and God's hand.

So correct me if i am wrong but banning Dreaming makes no sense , except if you mean something like "Lucid Dream Projects in a Company etc" that might be yeah but in a free will
there's no chance.

Peace

Unless they somehow ban sleeping, people will always be able to lucid dream. And as long as any lucid dream machines are proven to be safe and non-addictive, I don't see why they would be banned either.