Thread: How to get sleepy frequently?

Stay up later?

Being in a dream state has to do with fatigue and personal state, you dont want to feel sleepy as much as you need to be relaxed; think of riding a bike on a long familiar road.

Pretend you're extremely exhausted.

Is there some kind of diet i can take to make me sleepy often? I dont think it's coffee though.

Exercise a lot. It will sap your energy and make you feel more relaxed later. Your muscles need that unconscious recovery time so you will feel more tired.

I went whole hog on very exhausting exercise a while back and found I would sleep through to morning more often than not, with little recall....so the need to "balance" rears its ugly head yet again.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I went whole hog on very exhausting exercise a while back and found I would sleep through to morning more often than not, with little recall....so the need to "balance" rears its ugly head yet again.

True... Working, working out hard, and lucid dreaming is probably not the best combination. i haven't been able to WBTB this week because I want to be rested for work and my workouts. It makes sense too that the mind isn't as active because so much of your energy is going towards recovery. Maybe 20-30 mins of moderate of exercise would do the trick of knocking one out easier but leaving enough energy for Lucid's. What has been your experience FryingMan? What seems to be the best balance?

Beer, bros. Drink beer. The hops will make you conk out like whoa...

Originally Posted by robertcox88

What has been your experience FryingMan? What seems to be the best balance?

I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm currently going through a period of low exercise, and I find I'm sleeping quite well, including many back to sleep successes in late morning (after about 5-6 hours back to sleep has been a chronic issue for me). Getting back to sleep, even after a WBTB (which has been a challenge for me historically) seems to be almost entirely a function of being able to continually mentally and physically relax, and resist the temptation to daydream and/or think about work/life stuff.

So I think that perhaps moderate exercise is best: it's extremely valuable for the brain (which gets lots of oxygen), and doesn't tire you out so much that you zonk out entirely all night long. I'd define moderate as: being able to function normally for the rest of the day after completing it. After completing really exhausting exercise, about all I could do was count the hours until bedtime, I had no energy for work or anything else.

In fact today I had a major BTS victory after taking 4mg galantamine (Galantamind, which has B5 + choline): it took about 5 breathing-countdowns from 20 to 1 before I started losing count, then I simply focused on total relaxation: got to sleep, and had my best LD of 2015. Clearly, for me, disciplined relaxation is the key to back-to-sleep. And I had *multiple* BTSs after waking from the LD, hoping for more LDs on the fumes of the galantamine (didn't get any, but did accumulate more non-lucid recall).

True... Sure is nice though to have something to use that for other than just de-cluttering the brain... I used to just do it to try and stay present, but having LD's as a reward is so much more - well rewarding! I almost was able to completely relax in class tonight during 15 min. break. I was like ok perfect time to try to have a WILD. It's like you say though it's just relaxing physically letting the body shut down but keeping the mind alert... At least during a WBTB. I don't think there is much one can do going to sleep at night. Just have to hope you aren't conked out enough to sleep right through those REM's.

Have you tried L-Theanine? When I was using galantamine (which is effectively a stimulant) I thought it really helped getting to sleep. It didn't create a sense of sleepiness but seemed to subtly promote relaxation.

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I'm going to adapt to one of those schedules for the sake of lulz. I tried a five hours core (12:00/05:00) for a week followed by a relaxation period because of my inability no nap. I am the type who can sleep 14 h (yesterday); needless to say I felt sleepy after noon during said week. At midnight I experienced auditory hypnagogia, thoughts become louder and I start to hear random pieces of conversations from familiar voices (It's quite mild though). Adding a nap and Cutting non-REM sleep could help you.

Hmm. Nice hint. I am not ready to take some pills yet knowing that they might give some bad side effects to me. I think I need doctor advice before taking them.
Markov, how do you manage to sleep that long? My max duration of sleep is only 3 to 4 hours. Is it any good sleeping that long hours besides that auditory hypnagogia that you mentioned above?

I get hypnagogia when I'm sleep deprived, when I sleep a lot my mental health in that sense is really sound. I did the experiment with five hours of sleep every night last month. It is really hard for me to wake up early because I'm used to get all the sleep I want, thus I need to win this inertia and reestablish an healthier sleep schedule. It's a matter of habit, have a look at: Train Your Body To Function on Less Sleep — Is it Possible?

Originally Posted by HelloBro123

Hmm. Nice hint. I am not ready to take some pills yet knowing that they might give some bad side effects to me. I think I need doctor advice before taking them.

Your caution is very wise, but FYI, L-Theanine is more of a dietary supplement than a pharmaceutical, being an amino acid derived from green tea leaves. It is nothing like prescription sleeping pills, about which one should be very wary indeed! Here's some more information (I think I can post a link if it is not promoting or advertising anything?): Wiki: Theanine