Thread: How to remain motivated?

Hey there,

I always advise people to take a more general approach to dreaming. Pay attention to and appreciate all your dreams. There's so many great things to experience in all dreams, not just the lucid ones. Those are an extra bonus (and a great bonus at that! ).

Paying attention to your dreams takes bit a little bit of effort, but will swiftly make your dream life more vivid, more exciting and more memorable. Not only that, but it also makes lucid dreaming considerably easier. It takes you out of the 'black or white' 'succes or failure' mindset that comes with feeling only a lucid dream is good enough. It builds your dream awareness on a more natural and consistent level. This makes it far easier, for me at least, to always remain motivated to do my lucidity exercises as well. In the long term, it makes it easier for me to lucid dream too. And even when I don't have a lucid dream, I almost always still have some great dream experiences to write down in my journal.

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

Thanks. Btw for wbtb, I have heard people mention drinking water before bed and it effects the technique. How useful is it exactly?

Hey there,

For me, as my dream recall got better, I started waking up naturally at the end of a dream. Other people have reported the same. So I never need to use water, or alarms, or anything else to WBTB. The problem with things that interrupt your sleep, as I see it, is that they also make it harder to remember your dreams before you awake, as your mind immediately switches to active mode (have to go to the bathroom, have to switch off the alarm), which, for me at least, makes it more difficult to pick up lingering dream traces.

Just my 2 cents,

-Redrivertears-

My main issue is that when I wake up for FILD, I end up not being tired at all like after 3 hrs or something. I try to get back to sleep but it doesn't really work. I try Reverse Blinking but its not working. When I do it though, I blink at random intervals and not like every few seconds. This has happened twice and I end not being able to try FILD and it really discourages my chances of Lucid dreaming.

Excellent point Redrivertears. I really enjoy even my non-lucids there's always tons of symbolism to be interpreted.

Do you ever feel like sometimes that lucid dreaming is too good to be true to happen to you, so you lose motivations. Sometimes I feel that way and I think that effects my motivation. How could I drop this feeling?

Just think of the last time you got a through a successful induction. That should prove you're more than capable.

Motivation is not something that you can feel all the time. It's only permanent state. The key is to maintain the habit and for this you need time and patience. Also I could say that what Redrivertears wrote. Be happy with this what you have and enjoy! I know that it can be hard sometimes but that's the only way apparently.

I wholeheartedly agree with Redrivertears as well. But I'll go one further and suggest you ditch FILD. It's not really a technique worth its own acronym. It's just one anchor among many for WILD. But it's too narrow and cookie-cutter to suit everyone. Ask any WILD practitioner and they'll surely tell you how they read many different tutorials and experimented until they finally synthesized a routine that works for them.

So if you're set on the WILD route and want to keep motivated, I'd suggesting making every night a new experiment. That doesn't mean trying a new acronym every night. I mean take every night as a learning experience and adapt as you go along.

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

Do you ever feel like sometimes that lucid dreaming is too good to be true to happen to you, so you lose motivations. Sometimes I feel that way and I think that effects my motivation. How could I drop this feeling?

Observe the feeling without questioning it. Don't try to logic your way out of it.

A wise man once said "In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away."

Originally Posted by sisyphus

I wholeheartedly agree with Redrivertears as well. But I'll go one further and suggest you ditch FILD. It's not really a technique worth its own acronym. It's just one anchor among many for WILD. But it's too narrow and cookie-cutter to suit everyone. Ask any WILD practitioner and they'll surely tell you how they read many different tutorials and experimented until they finally synthesized a routine that works for them.

So if you're set on the WILD route and want to keep motivated, I'd suggesting making every night a new experiment. That doesn't mean trying a new acronym every night. I mean take every night as a learning experience and adapt as you go along.

actually I think FILD is fine for me. I tried it once and it is the best success I have ever had in a while. I could feel myself getting sucked into the dream and I saw flashing purple lights

Btw I have a question wbtb water method. Is it good for kind of figuring out the REM cycle as does drinking water cause to wake up during the REM cycle?

drinking water will just cause you to wake after a dream when you would have micro awakened anyway. but because your body senses the need to go you wake fully. Always journal before you go otherwise you'll be on your way back thinking what was my dream about.

I have been practicing sleep disruption on wednesday nights where I set my alarm for like every hour during the night, this causes you to constantly switch between deep and light sleep quickly. It also trains your brain to awaken often, but I still have been trying to drink water and set the intention to wake, I usually wake anyway after dreams (and sometimes detect dream exit, very rarely succeed in DEILD tho), but if you don't wake up several times a night you will recall much less.

lately I have been sick and that may be causing me to have shallow dreams, I have had 3 near misses lately but no Lucid for a week+ but prior to that 10 so far this year. I think waking at least 3 times a night is the reason I have recalled many dreams in my journal. Try the water see how it goes.

You also might want to RC in bathroom, since you will dream of having to go

That sounds cool. So I went to bed around 9 and woke up around half past one after I drank water. So basically could I set my alarm like 4.5 hrs afterwards to try and LD/FILD?

well mostly waking after every dream is for better recall, tho the disruption does increase my chance to trigger when I sleep in the next day.

I mainly MILD DILD tho with some attempts to DEILD.

I attempted to DEILD just the other day on dream exit but ended up in a false awakening during the false awakening I knew I had been in a dream (and 3 DC and I were talking about LUCID), but in the False Awakening I was lying in bed (wearing unrealistic stuff) and thinking I was trying to fall asleep, I never even opened my eyes in the FA. I was still dreaming (or in a new dream from failed DEILD) but had no idea I was still dreaming he he

two other near miss involved multiple dream signs and wardrobe malfunctions

Nice but I realize my main issue is actually going back to sleep. When I woke up my eyelids were heavy but I couldn't fall asleep. I even tried laying on my back and not much success was given.

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

Nice but I realize my main issue is actually going back to sleep. When I woke up my eyelids were heavy but I couldn't fall asleep. I even tried laying on my back and not much success was given.

sure we all have insomnia sometimes, but I find that setting that alarm every hour one night a week makes it easy for me to fall asleep
initially I wake only on the hour at the alarm (tired and unrested I fall asleep amost immediately, but then after a while I begin to wake at about 38 after each hour and then fall asleep again before alarm (after journaling)

Heck if nothing else gives you practice falling asleep he he

also often when I wake on work days as just now at 2:45 am, I don't get back to sleep until the last minute just before my usual alarm at 5:10 or so but then suddenly I am asleep and that is often when I get lucid having slept well (if I got to bed early) and then up for 2 hours just before falling asleep, it is funny it is often when I finally give up and think fine I'll just lay here, then I notice I'm in a dreamscape a few minutes latter

I mainly do this:

So for my LD I have tried something called reverse blinking. Many people say that it works really well. I have tried it but it doesn't seem to work for me so I was wondering how long should it be done for? As well when I do it, I usually face a fan when I open my eyes so I was wondering if maybe that effects how it works?

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

I mainly do this:

So for my LD I have tried something called reverse blinking. Many people say that it works really well. I have tried it but it doesn't seem to work for me so I was wondering how long should it be done for? As well when I do it, I usually face a fan when I open my eyes so I was wondering if maybe that effects how it works?

Well I'm no good at WILD, I have reached paralysis many times but never entered a dream,
but I think one important thing for lucid dreams in general is not to stress, just like I said when I finally relax and just lay there resigned to rest instead of sleep / dream, the next thing I know I'm lucid

so make sure your relaxed when trying it.

I have only ever DEILD a few times, but I often detect dream exit maybe like 40+ times, maybe only 2x succeed in reach a lucid dream. So not much advice from me on WILD methods.

Maybe try drinking water after 3.5 hrs of sleep fall back a sleep, and on dream exit immediately attempt DEILD, I would't try reverse blink then tho, but if you have some WILD success, Dream Exit should be much easier.

Oh btw whenever I try this, the fan in my room is on and makes noise. Could this effect my lucid dreaming?

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

Oh btw whenever I try this, the fan in my room is on and makes noise. Could this effect my lucid dreaming?

You could use the fan as a WILD anchor.

Sounds interesting. But I mainly try FILD which I guess is a WILD anchor. Additionally recently I have been practicing staying still in my bed which I can do for a couple of minutes and should this help my LD attempts?

Btw what are some really good Lucid dream journals I could read to stay motivated?

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

Btw what are some really good Lucid dream journals I could read to stay motivated?

I use Lightened Dream. It's simple efficient and free.