Stability Of Lucid Dreams

[DawnEye11]

I'm use to lucid dreaming in settings where things change/become unstable than turn stable again. Sometimes it doesn't happen much but when it does I don't really mind. But what I was wondering was how many of you have dreams where things don't really change all that much or become chaotic? Is it a natural thing for things to change or is it just because it was a common occurrence for me. Also, how long can your dream last stable without becoming unstable or changing? Have you gotten through a lucid dream without anything becoming unstable before? One more question, how does most of your lucid dreams tend to end?Do they become unstable in a way where you feel your about to wake up or do you just wake up?

[Kraom]

Well as far as things in my dreams go my dreams remain pretty stable I guess. The setting will occasionally change, but it kind of integrates into my dream to where I don't really notice it as out of the ordinary and I really only notice it when I'm recalling the dream for my journal. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by have you gotten through a lucid dream and had it remain stable the whole time. Nothing really changes much in my dreams except when they are about to end. And basically for me I consider stability in my lucid dreams just kind of the clarity. For me instability is when my dream starts to fade. It's almost as if I become like disoriented in the dream. My vision will basically start to fade to black. This usually happens when I lose focus. I've found that if I'm not actively focusing in my lucid dreams they have a much higher rate of collapsing. Anyways, most of my lucid dreams end when it fades to black like that. Except I don't wake up when that happens, I'm left in sort of a WILD state. I just call it the void. I can basically feel my dream body still, but all I see is darkness. A lot of time I just use dream re-entry techniques to get back into my dream or alternatively I can start a new dream by rolling my dream body off my bed in the "void". I want to work on getting better at just imagining and entering dream scenes in this state, but haven't put too much effort towards it yet.

[Patience108]

It is really interesting to think about Dreamcafe11 - I am at work now so will give it more thought. I have had both types now that you mention - LD's where they go through a few scenes being quite stable and others where the dream goes unstable a lot...I am starting to see a few patterns but don't want to 'schema' myself ...but it's important to look I know coz then I can learn to do better etc LD seems to go unstable when I am concentrating too much on something...like getting a bit to involved with what's going on or coming up next...I need to focus more on relaxing at this point or repeating a reminder to myself to remain clear. When the LD is about to end I know a little before usually as I start to feel my WL body in bed and sometimes hear my breathing a little - more often now I can play with this a little and focus on the dream more inorder to stablise it once again. Most of my LD's are close to waking so I am guessing this is why this happens so I am working on staying asleep longer etc and getting used to that when I get a chance ( Sunday's ) I realy want to be able to catch the waking up bit and use it like Kroam mentions above

[DawnEye11]

Well as far as things in my dreams go my dreams remain pretty stable I guess. The setting will occasionally change, but it kind of integrates into my dream to where I don't really notice it as out of the ordinary and I really only notice it when I'm recalling the dream for my journal. Hmm....I guess than its probably that I'm giving too much of my attention to small details... I'm not 100% sure what you mean by have you gotten through a lucid dream and had it remain stable the whole time. By that I mean like no interruptions have occurred in the dream setting that stopped you from doing what you were about to do. For instance, Like when you suddenly appear in the void or the dream just collapses quickly. For me instability is when my dream starts to fade. It's almost as if I become like disoriented in the dream. My vision will basically start to fade to black. This usually happens when I lose focus. I've found that if I'm not actively focusing in my lucid dreams they have a much higher rate of collapsing. Anyways, most of my lucid dreams end when it fades to black like that. Except I don't wake up when that happens, I'm left in sort of a WILD state. I just call it the void. I can basically feel my dream body still, but all I see is darkness. A lot of time I just use dream re-entry techniques to get back into my dream or alternatively I can start a new dream by rolling my dream body off my bed in the "void". I consider that instability as well and have experienced the same thing before. I don't roll off my bed in the dream though. I just wait a bit until I can move freely again. If I'm in the void though I tend to be flown or fall into another dream setting. I want to work on getting better at just imagining and entering dream scenes in this state, but haven't put too much effort towards it yet. Oh, I'm sure you can do it if you put in the effort. :3 Also, thanks for replying. I don't really understand how some peoples lucid dreams are like even though I do read entries here so its good to know about your experience with it.

[DawnEye11]

It is really interesting to think about Dreamcafe11 - I am at work now so will give it more thought. I have had both types now that you mention - LD's where they go through a few scenes being quite stable and others where the dream goes unstable a lot...I am starting to see a few patterns but don't want to 'schema' myself ...but it's important to look I know coz then I can learn to do better etc LD seems to go unstable when I am concentrating too much on something...like getting a bit to involved with what's going on or coming up next...I need to focus more on relaxing at this point or repeating a reminder to myself to remain clear. When the LD is about to end I know a little before usually as I start to feel my WL body in bed and sometimes hear my breathing a little - more often now I can play with this a little and focus on the dream more inorder to stablise it once again. Most of my LD's are close to waking so I am guessing this is why this happens so I am working on staying asleep longer etc and getting used to that when I get a chance ( Sunday's ) Its okay, I appreciate you replying now though so thanks for that. Relaxing? Perhaps I need to be more relaxed than cause I tend to find myself itching to know whats gonna happen next.(For the good dreams at least) This might sound weird but when people say they can feel their waking life body I always pondered about how that feels like. Does it feel like sleep paralysis? I usually just feel my dream self than it goes to my waking self. Sundays a nice choice to lucid dream. I tend to focus on Friday,Saturday and Sunday for lucid dreaming. Feels like I have more of a clear mind on those days. I really want to be able to catch the waking up bit and use it like Kroam mentions above I'm sure you can do it if you try. ^w^

[Kraom]

By that I mean like no interruptions have occurred in the dream setting that stopped you from doing what you were about to do. For instance, Like when you suddenly appear in the void or the dream just collapses quickly. Oh well then definitely sometimes out of nowhere my lucid dreams will just collapse and I'll end up back in the void. Usually I can see it coming and attempt to stop it from happening, but on occasion it's really sudden.

[Patience108]

My replies are within your quote Its okay, I appreciate you replying now though so thanks for that. Relaxing? Perhaps I need to be more relaxed than cause I tend to find myself itching to know whats gonna happen next.(For the good dreams at least) Thanks and great that you re organise what I mean - yes it's about staying lucid and clear and not letting excitement or any fixed views at all that could dominate the moment by causing instability ...it seems a fine line between managing this and not having enough expectation for the lucid to flow forward This might sound weird but when people say they can feel their waking life body I always pondered about how that feels like. Does it feel like sleep paralysis? I usually just feel my dream self than it goes to my waking self. Sundays a nice choice to lucid dream. I tend to focus on Friday,Saturday and Sunday for lucid dreaming. Feels like I have more of a clear mind on those days. No - I have no idea what sleep paralysis feels like so can't speak of that ...it's like there's a very slight shift of attention and one is in an instance very aware of ones body lying asleep in bed and at the same time your in the dream ...in these moments I have to keep the shift leaning towards the LD strongly or I wake up. Sometimes I don't manage and the dreams gone and I am back in bed - but if I lie still for long enough I go back into another dream. I actually like the feeling of the shift a lot even though I dislike the LD ending, so that's something I work with I'm sure you can do it if you try. ^w^ Yes - maybe Kraom could let me know how she's working on it Do you have experience with that last bit of waking up and re - entry stuff?

[DawnEye11]

My replies are within your quote XD oh okay. Thx Thanks and great that you re organism what I mean - yes it's about staying lucid and clear and not letting excitement or any fixed views at all that could dominate the moment by causing instability ...it seems a fine line between managing this and not having enough expectation for the lucid to flow forward Alright, I will keep that in mind. No - I have no idea what sleep paralysis feels like so can't speak of that ...it's like there's a very slight shift of attention and one is in an instance very aware of ones body lying asleep in bed and at the same time your in the dream ...in these moments I have to keep the shift leaning towards the LD strongly or I wake up. Sometimes I don't manage and the dreams gone and I am back in bed - but if I lie still for long enough I go back into another dream. I actually like the feeling of the shift a lot even though I dislike the LD ending, so that's something I work with Ohh..So its like how you feel during a WILD transition? Well, its great you like the feeling. ^w^ Do you have experience with that last bit of waking up and re - entry stuff? Yeah,I've done it before. I used it when i really wanted to go back to a dream. However, I'am mostly a DILD person.

[DawnEye11]

Oh well then definitely sometimes out of nowhere my lucid dreams will just collapse and I'll end up back in the void. Usually I can see it coming and attempt to stop it from happening, but on occasion it's really sudden. Okay. So its pretty much like a normal occurrence that is sometimes brought on by the dream or by us.Thanks for replying again:3

[sisyphus]

I responded with "Very Unstable." Stability is so varied that it is something I always wrestle with. Sometimes it is fine and no worries. But it isn't always so, thus it remains a hang-up for me. I suppose I have developed a posture of accommodation. Sometimes my dreams break down into a void. I have become comfortable with The Void and see it as a crossroads for transitioning into new scenes. Sometimes I lose the ability to move my body, so I revert to just observing my senses.

[Patience108]

Alright, I will keep that in mind. Ohh..So its like how you feel during a WILD transition? Well, its great you like the feeling. ^w^ No the wild feeling is different all the time for me so far - so I am still working on it ...This is more of a feeling of healing/floaty/sleepy but vast - warm cozy and in the zone

[DawnEye11]

No the wild feeling is different all the time for me so far - so I am still working on it ...This is more of a feeling of healing/floaty/sleepy but vast - warm cozy and in the zone hehe XD That sounds kind of confusing but its okay.I appreciate you trying to explain it to me.

[DawnEye11]

I responded with "Very Unstable." Stability is so varied that it is something I always wrestle with. Sometimes it is fine and no worries. But it isn't always so, thus it remains a hang-up for me. I suppose I have developed a posture of accommodation. Sometimes my dreams break down into a void. I have become comfortable with The Void and see it as a crossroads for transitioning into new scenes. Sometimes I lose the ability to move my body, so I revert to just observing my senses. Interesting...I've read a few of your recent entries before but haven't noticed you had stability problems.Do you think that accommodation could be a reason why it happens to us?

[Kraom]

Yeah feel free to PM me with questions guys, if you wanna know about dream re-entry or catching that void state in between dreams. It didn't take me too much time to learn so I'm sure I could help you out. Okay. So its pretty much like a normal occurrence that is sometimes brought on by the dream or by us.Thanks for replying again:3 Yeah, I think so. I've seen some really expert lucid dreamers that it doesn't hardly ever happen to, but I think that just comes with more time and technique, like being able to anchor dreams. Which, I'm working on, but haven't quite mastered yet. It's a bit of trial and error right now.

[DawnEye11]

Yeah feel free to PM me with questions guys, if you wanna know about dream re-entry or catching that void state in between dreams. It didn't take me too much time to learn so I'm sure I could help you out. Yeah, I think so. I've seen some really expert lucid dreamers that it doesn't hardly ever happen to, but I think that just comes with more time and technique, like being able to anchor dreams. Which, I'm working on, but haven't quite mastered yet. It's a bit of trial and error right now. Thanks.I've been lucid dreaming for years but I've been exploring it for the most part of my life by myself. Dreamviews is what helped me realize a lot about my dreaming mind and the methods i was using to get lucid though. Also,sorry if this sounds dumb but thinking about my experiences and reading about others I'm starting to wonder what is natural for lucid dreams too. Are lucid dreams meant to be a certain way?

[Kraom]

Are lucid dreams meant to be a certain way? I think that lucid dreams are whatever you expect them to be. You know? It's in your mind, so however you think it should be is the way it will be.

[Sageous]

Are lucid dreams meant to be a certain way? Nope. Lucid dreams offer the same limitless variety as non-lucid dreams, and then some. They can be vivid, dull, transcendental, exciting, complicated, and whatever other adjectives you can imagine. There is nothing required or to be expected from a lucid dream, except that you are appreciating your adventure with your waking-life self-awareness in place -- you know you are dreaming. I would say that the only certain thing is that some degree of waking-life self-awareness must be present in a LD, so all LD'ers do share that aspect... but even then that self-awaress can vary dramatically from person to person, and even vary in one person from dream to dream. So no, I don't believe that LD's are meant to be a certain way; dreaming is a uniquely individual endeavor. It is sort of a shame that so much of the information on these websites and in books tends to define a certain way that LD's "should be," and that so many dreamers miss out on great lucid experiences because they are caught up in seeking that certain way rather than discovering their own way.

[DawnEye11]

I think that lucid dreams are whatever you expect them to be. You know? It's in your mind, so however you think it should be is the way it will be. Nope. Lucid dreams offer the same limitless variety as non-lucid dreams, and then some. They can be vivid, dull, transcendental, exciting, complicated, and whatever other adjectives you can imagine. There is nothing required or to be expected from a lucid dream, except that you are appreciating your adventure with your waking-life self-awareness in place -- you know you are dreaming. I would say that the only certain thing is that some degree of waking-life self-awareness must be present in a LD, so all LD'ers do share that aspect... but even then that self-awaress can vary dramatically from person to person, and even vary in one person from dream to dream. So no, I don't believe that LD's are meant to be a certain way; dreaming is a uniquely individual endeavor. It is sort of a shame that so much of the information on these websites and in books tends to define a certain way that LD's "should be," and that so many dreamers miss out on great lucid experiences because they are caught up in seeking that certain way rather than discovering their own way. Thanks for replying guys. I see your points so I'll keep that in mind. Thinking about Lucid dreams as a "unique individual endeavor" and "what we expect them to be" is a lot better than trying to follow a set of standards in an attempt to create the perfect lucid dream.

[sisyphus]

Interesting...I've read a few of your recent entries before but haven't noticed you had stability problems.Do you think that accommodation could be a reason why it happens to us? Good question. I will have to think more on it. But echoing the theme of this thread, I think there are a lot of individual factors that play into each dreamer's practice.

[DawnEye11]

Good question. I will have to think more on it. But echoing the theme of this thread, I think there are a lot of individual factors that play into each dreamer's practice. Okay. If you come up with anything feel free to share it with me if you want. Glad you agree with the others too. ^.^