Thread: I need an army of lucid dreamers...

All signed up. I loved your book, and glad to be a part of the project!

Thanks Oneirin (great name by the way),

I'm really pleased you enjoyed the book, I hope it helped with your own adventures?
The project is going to be quite vast and so there will be several stages to get involved with. The first and most important will be helping spread the word, as everything else will rely on that. You'll receive an email in about two weeks with more info. I'll also be checking into this thread as often as my schedule permits - so I'll share more when the time is right.

Please forgive me for not fawning, Mr. Love, but why are you being so secretive? I for one would really like to know for what specifically you need an army of LD'ers.

Respectfully, it seems that your thoughtful response to Raipat above actually said nothing at all about the project for which you wish to recruit us. Why not just tell us what you want us to do, and in as much detail as this format allows? You must know to some degree what you wish to do, right? Are you concerned that someone might steal your idea? This seems odd, if you have no commercial interests.

I'm sure that whatever project you have in mind is a fine one, but if your name weren't attached to it, it would appear as presented here like little more than an attempt to put together a mailing list.

I hope you'll excuse my cynicism, but it would have been nice if you had presented your project up front, and let us decide whether to sign up based on its merits rather than simply trust (or be impressed by) your celebrity in the LD'ing community. To hide its content from us and bank instead on your name recognition seems a bit disingenuous to me.

I'm sure this post will raise some ire from other members, and perhaps a stern warning from Gab, but I really felt this quetion needed to be asked; I hope you understand.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Please forgive me for not fawning, Mr. Love, but why are you being so secretive? I for one would really like to know for what specifically you need an army of LD'ers.

Respectfully, it seems that your thoughtful response to Raipat above actually said nothing at all about the project for which you wish to recruit us. Why not just tell us what you want us to do, and in as much detail as this format allows? You must know in general what you wish to do, right? Are you concerned that someone might steal your idea? This seems odd, if you have no commercial interests.

I'm sure that whatever project you have in mind is a fine one, but if your name weren't attached to it, it would appear as presented like little more than an attempt to put together a mailing list.

I hope you'll excuse my cynicism, but it would have been nice if you had presented your project up front, and let us decide whether to sign up based on its merits rather than simply trust (or be impressed by) your celebrity in the LD'ing community. To hide its content from us and bank instead on your name recognition seems a bit disingenuous to me.

I'm sure this post will raise some ire from other members, and perhaps a stern warning from Gab, but I really felt this quetion needed to be asked; I hope you understand.

Hi Sageous,

No problem at all, you're asking exactly the same questions I would in your position. I respect forthrightness and critical thinking.
To answer your questions... (please understand that it's long gone midnight here, so I'm not quite as clear minded as I'd like to be, I'll try and just stick to the points, as I really do need to sleep very soon)

Yes I'm very clear in my plan as I've been working on little besides it for quite some time now. But, I'm sure you can understand that when one is preparing something like this that there is a schedule that helps keep things running smoothly. It's not unlike cooking a surprise meal for friends, you'd not sit everyone at the table before you'd purchased the ingredients or cooked the meal, nor would you serve all the courses at once. So forgive my secretiveness, I'd really love to just spell it all out right now (I really would) but it wouldn't do any of us any favours - you'd all just hear an unpolished "plan" without the means to move forward with it. Essentially you'd be reading the menu two weeks before you get to eat.

I'm also reliant on a few external entities that require me to work with their schedule. I'm champing at the bit wanting to move forward, which is why I'm running this pre-promotion to gather interest. In keeping with the meal analogy, I'm laying the table in preparation for the meal.

I'm also making a video to explain the project clearly, the crew are booked for Monday and it will likely take at least a week of post production.

The point of asking people to sign up to the list is to do exactly what you're asking, I'll lay the entire plan out once it is ready to go live and when people can actually see a finished concept, and then you will all have the chance to make your own minds up. I'm sure some people will like it, others won't - but I'd prefer to present it in the best possible way I can, and that takes a bit of preparation.

I'm certainly not asking anyone to trust me, nor (god forbid) assume I have any status with which to impress. I'm a passionate lucid dreamer just like you, and consider myself no more. I'm just saying "hey, I've got something interesting lined up, can't share it yet because I still need to do some work, but if you want to be the first to know about it, here's a way to find out".

The simple truth is, I could tell you exactly what the plan is right now - but we'd all still have to wait two to three weeks before anything could be done about it. The alternative was that I didn't mention anything until everything was ready, but then, I'd be playing catch up with trying to get peoples attention. It seems to me that the best option is to always do a task earlier rather than later if it's possible - this way I'll have more time to invest elsewhere when things are live.

You've made perfectly good points and I absolutely take no offence whatsoever, I hope this goes some way to answering why I'm doing things the way I am - and the apparent secrecy. I know it's frustrating and I can understand why your cynicism would kick in, I'd be the same in your shoes. However, I'd just ask you to understand that the creation of anything requires a lot of work and planning.

I'm a perfectionist and lucid dreaming is my life's passion. I want to do this to the best of my abilities and that, unfortunately, is going to take just a little more time. I certainly appreciate everyone's patience and understanding.

Originally Posted by DanielLove

I'd really love to just spell it all out right now (I really would) but it wouldn't do any of us any favours - you'd all just hear an unpolished "plan" without the means to move forward with it.

In my opinion, this would do us favors. We would benefit from knowing what was going on, and you would benefit from the trust, feedback, and interest gained from the disclosure.

Originally Posted by DanielLove

The simple truth is, I could tell you exactly what the plan is right now - but we'd all still have to wait two to three weeks before anything could be done about it.

I don't think we would mind waiting a few weeks if we knew what the plan was and knew it was a work in progress. If the project is interesting, then our interest would not go down in a few weeks time.