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      Back to LDing - But taking the lazy route

      I have been away from this forum since the end of 2014. I've been pursuing lucid dreaming on and off since 2004 when I had my first unintentional lucid dream. My issue is always the same. I get motivated and start the process (keeping a dream journal, reality checking, meditating, etc). However the results are never good enough to keep me engaged, plus I tend to lose a lot of sleep.

      This time around I'm taking a lazy approach but plan on following my new plan for at least 5 months. I started on August 1st of this year. It is simple and doesn't require a ton of effort.

      1. All day awareness: This is simply being aware of my surroundings and looking for anything out of the ordinary.
      2. I will reality check often by counting fingers often.
      3. I will read writing when I see it as I can't seem to do so in dreams.
      4. I will pay attention to my particular dream signs, such as: feeling negative emotions, seeing the sky, looking at myself in the mirror to see if I look strange, hearing the word "dream", celebrities showing up (Sylvester Stallone showed up in my dreams 3 nights ago) I will RC for any of these situations.

      I am hoping these habit will transmit over to my dreams if I do them often enough. I plan on sticking to this plan until Dec 31, 2019. If I get results I will stick with it; if not maybe I will try to figure out another plan.
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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      Welcome back.

      That whole sleep thing is crucial. It's hard to abide in clarity either awake or in dream if you're not getting enough sleep and a clear presence in the dream is very helpful in noticing those tricky dream signs.

      Best of luck.
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      Welcome back and good luck Tygar! What helps is to set some goals, at the very least mentally. I picked up the lucid dreaming practice once before, in the past, and without me realizing, my goal was to achieve lucidity. Once I did that, I stopped. I kind of proved to myself it was possible and that was it. I was slightly puzzled in hindsight why things turned out like that... I realized only later when coming across the importance of goals.

      If you really want to dedicate months to working at this seriously, I think one way to do it is to take the "Course in Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen LaBerge, paired with the book: A Course in Lucid Dreaming. If you search for the PDF online, you'll find it!

      I kind of started it myself but haven't yet written down my progress in the exercises.

      Good luck!
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      Quote Originally Posted by gbbr View Post
      What helps is to set some goals, at the very least mentally.
      So true! I have been pondering the setting of goals. We set goals every night....but how about a long term goal? How will lucid dreaming fit into our lives over the years? What do we want to gain from it?

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      There is a chapter in "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" called "Goal setting for success", it helped me. I also recently discovered WOOP my life which seems to be a good way of going at it.
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      I agree that goals are very important. Currently my ultimate goal is to create a set of habit that will feed over to my subconscious mind, thereby I will follow these habits when I dream.
      My smaller goals are: (1) To ask myself "am I dreaming" often though out the day (to keep keep me as aware as possible; (2) Do some form of reality check under specific conditions (Every time I see the sky, when ever I feel negative emotions, etc).

      Right now I just want to hit one of those triggers while dreaming. I have succeeded in the past, once where I did a RC because I was outside and another where I did a RC because I was feeling negative emotions. I just need a way to get lucid that won't cause me to constantly lose sleep.
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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      Hey, how do I update my Avatar and signature? Do I have to upgrade or something?
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tygar View Post
      I just need a way to get lucid that won't cause me to constantly lose sleep.
      That's crucial for me as well being a slightly older oneironaut who needs to still get up early every day for work. I really make certain that I fall asleep peacefully and quickly at the beginning of the night and I keep away from anything that requires me to use an alarm to interrupt sleep. SSILD continues to be my go to induction technique.....I can use it at the very end of the night during my last sleep period and it really requires that you fall right back to sleep. What's not to like? And it almost always yields results in some way.

      I save my WILD attempts for opportune times in weekends.

      My smaller goals are: (1) To ask myself "am I dreaming" often though out the day (to keep keep me as aware as possible;
      I have been having better success recently by telling myself often during the day that "This is a dream". I find that every time I say that my attention snaps right back to my surroundings. It seems to automatically heighten awareness of my surroundings. At night, when falling asleep after SSILD cycles, I calmly tell myself, "Say the words, man...this is a dream." When it works it's very strong....I enter the dream and say the words...and there is no doubt that it's a dream.

      Hey, how do I update my Avatar and signature? Do I have to upgrade or something?
      You should be able to just go to your Control Panel and navigate to your avatar and your signature from there.
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      So, I was thinking last night and decided to slightly adjust my tactic for trying to get lucid.

      First, instead of constant reality checks (like counting my fingers) i'm simply going to ask myself, in my mind, "am I dreaming." This is the trigger I need to happen in my dream. Then I can just think about what I have been doing for the last hour or so; or look around for anything unusual. That one question should bring some rational thought into my dream state (as it has in my past experience) which will lead to lucidity.

      I am going to focus on dream signs, but instead of searching for "micro-dream signs" such as specific circumstances I'm going to focus on "macro-dream signs" which are things that show up constantly in my dreams because they are so common in real life.

      Here is my current list based in the order of most common to less common.
      1. People. People are constantly in my dreams. It is rare for there not to be people in my dreams. So when I see new people, or when I am speaking to people I will ask in my mind "am I dreaming."
      2. The sky. While I don't always see the sky in my dreams, I am often outside in my dreams and just don't pay attention to the sky. So, I am paying more attention to the sky in real life and asking the question.
      3. Strong emotions. Again, I don't always have strong emotions (anger, frustration, sadness, excitement) in my dreams; it does seem to happen often enough that I take notice and has made me lucid several times in the past. When I feel any strong emotion I will ask the question.

      I will probably continue to refine this over time. But I'm hoping it will work.

      Also, I'm going to try to keep a dream journal but I don't want to lose sleep worrying about it.
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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      I've had a couple of dreams where I am confused and frustrated by things that don't make sense. Based on past experience this is a good sign. For me this means that a small amount of rational thinking is finding it's way into my dreams which causes me to question strange things in my dreams. I'm hoping to get lucid soon, even if it is brief.
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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      Quote Originally Posted by lenscaper View Post
      I have been having better success recently by telling myself often during the day that "This is a dream". I find that every time I say that my attention snaps right back to my surroundings. It seems to automatically heighten awareness of my surroundings. At night, when falling asleep after SSILD cycles, I calmly tell myself, "Say the words, man...this is a dream." When it works it's very strong....I enter the dream and say the words...and there is no doubt that it's a dream.
      I am always looking for new ways to quickly bring myself to the present moment, and though I've used "This is a dream" in waking many times before, I don't think I have used it specifically to become present and you are right, it is very effective for that purpose, bringing everything around me into super-clear focus/very vivid.

      Quote Originally Posted by Tygar View Post
      I've had a couple of dreams where I am confused and frustrated by things that don't make sense. Based on past experience this is a good sign. For me this means that a small amount of rational thinking is finding it's way into my dreams which causes me to question strange things in my dreams. I'm hoping to get lucid soon, even if it is brief.
      I agree, this is a good sign. Anything not working on our smart phone is also a common dream sign. You and I share the sky dream sign it looks like. It is one of my favorite ways to become lucid, looking up into the sky and noticing unusual movement in the sky or anything unusual.

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      Hello Fogelbise. Thank you for your reply. I see you have had almost 1000 lucid dreams since 2013. That is amazing. I've only had 76 LDs (I had 10 more where I realized I was dreaming and immediately woke up) since 2004. If you have any advice I would love to hear it. I'm really hoping my current plan will work once I have made it such an ingrained habit that it flows over to my dream life.

      Surprisingly, electronics rarely show up in my dreams even though I use them every day.
      Total LDs (some very brief) = 2004: 4 * 2005: 18 * 2006: 16 * 2007: 2 * 2008: 0 * 2009: 0 * 2010: 1 * 2011: 12 * 2012: 3 * 2013: 1 * 2014: 6 * 2015: 1 * 2016: 0 * 2017: 18 * 2018: 3 * 2019: 0 (so far)

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