Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Sadly I think there are other people that feel that way that frequent this board and are still yet to have an LD, I know that's what I would be thinking, which if course shoots the confidence which is a huge part of obtaining lucidity.

I remember watching those vids of people moving psi wheels and so I tried it out myself and I just thought, "This is really f***ing stupid, all these people are just lying." That was the main motivation for the post: since we're not full of crap, are they not either?

Congrats on your first lucid, hope it was all we've cracked it up to be

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Sadly I think there are other people that feel that way that frequent this board and are still yet to have an LD, I know that's what I would be thinking, which if course shoots the confidence which is a huge part of obtaining lucidity.

I remember watching those vids of people moving psi wheels and so I tried it out myself and I just thought, "This is really f***ing stupid, all these people are just lying." That was the main motivation for the post: since we're not full of crap, are they not either?

Congrats on your first lucid, hope it was all we've cracked it up to be

That's something I can agree with is the Psi-wheel. I used to know quite alot of people that thought the psi-wheel could help them in Telekinesis.
By the way, have you looked up the expression " Chi " Yet perhaps? Just curious.

I agree to a point, i have certainly felt the difficulty of trying to explain lucid dreaming to others while not sounding like a complete idiot.

but on the contrary, there has been research into this. we understand sleep, the stages of it why and what happens how it affects brain functions. we have a greater understanding of the topic of sleep itself than we do say, a 6th sense. lucid dreaming has been tested by more than just LaBerge. in fact studies on false awakenings and sleep paralysis had been examined even before LaBerge.

I think that one of the main aspects of Lucidity that make it more of a scientific fact rather than a psychic type phenomenon is that it presents testability and repeatability. LaBerge is well known for what i mean by "tests". As for repeatability, lucidity is something that can be repeated by anyone, with smiler results. sure, everyone reaches it in different ways, but we all experience similer feelings while doing things such as WILDing, HI and the general experience of LDing. telekinesis, telepathy and such are described differently form person to person, with great amounts of variation.

So yea...thats my take on the subject

Comparing lucid dreaming to stuff like telekinesis is like comparing apples to oranges. Dreaming is just an illusion created by your mind... that makes a lot more sense than something like telekinesis or precognition. I didn't believe in TK before and I still don't. Until I can do it or they can show me some proof I'll stay that way.

Unlike some of those other things that you mentioned, lucid dreaming actually does have some research and scientific backing behind it. Lucid dreaming is legitimately accepted among psychologists and is even used in therapy. I had a professor who told me so. She's a Ph.D (or M.D, which is a psychologist?)

An unlike some other things like telekinesis and ESP, it isn't all that difficult to imagine LDing. The dream is within your own mind and you mind creates awareness. Why couldn't they cross?

I think you guys are missing the point. Sure, there's scientific evidence now, but what about 30 years ago?

If you guys had lived back then, you wouldn't have accepted lucid dreaming because the scientific community said it was impossible and because there was no sold proof. And you would have missed out on something wonderful. So would have I.

So, the question Needcatscan is proposing is: Could we be missing out on other equally wonderful things because of prejudices in the scientific community and society as a whole?

At least, that's my take on it.

well naikou, that is a valid point...but

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

so although i understand your point, we are more analytical now. it's not so much prejudice from the scientific community because it doesn't fit in with everything else, so much as is that testing has been done and found little to no evidence.

Originally Posted by Leumas13

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

I'm talking about the 1960's and 70's. Not only had we discovered that the earth orbited the sun, but we had traveled to the moon. Not only did we know that atoms were divisible, but we had created nuclear weapons. And yet, Lucid Dreaming was still rejected.

@ Marvo and weelilhazel: Yeah, I know, I mentioned that in my first post. But obviously, there are millions/billions of people who have never experienced LD'ing (or don't remember doing so), and because of that they refuse to believe in Lucid Dreaming, even with concrete scientific evidence.

So yeah, people like us are the lucky ones, in that regard. But it's possible that we have not experienced some other phenomena, and I think it would be unwise to completely reject all phenomena that we haven't experienced. I'm not saying that I believe in ESP, aliens, time travelers, and so forth; I'm just suggesting that there could be things science has passed by - like lucid dreaming was - and is waiting to be discovered.

Originally Posted by naikou

I think you guys are missing the point. Sure, there's scientific evidence now, but what about 30 years ago?

If you guys had lived back then, you wouldn't have accepted lucid dreaming because the scientific community said it was impossible and because there was no sold proof. And you would have missed out on something wonderful. So would have I.

So, the question Needcatscan is proposing is: Could we be missing out on other equally wonderful things because of prejudices in the scientific community and society as a whole?

At least, that's my take on it.

Incorrect.

I've had several spontanious lucid dreams throughout my life, and they came before I was even aware of lucid dreaming. That's more than enough proof to me.

Lucid dreaming makes perfect sense to me, however, telekenisis and all powerfull devine beings do not.

Incorrect.

I've had several spontanious lucid dreams throughout my life, and they came before I was even aware of lucid dreaming. That's more than enough proof to me.

Lucid dreaming makes perfect sense to me, however, telekenisis and all powerfull devine beings do not.

Same here. I've had lucid dreams before I even knew what they were, so I would have accepted it.