Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Originally Posted by magicdood

Well, they are government documents that are unedited..soo....no biased there. And yes, it's a great site! I love it!

Anyways, you can't just say one person is false because of the actions of others. So what, a few famous people were fakers. But guess what. It seems there is a connection. All the FAMOUS ones are fake. The real ones prefer to sit, practice, and help others. Just a theory right there, hehe.


As to the Scientist, there is a Scientist that has had numerous results with Psionics, including pk and energy manipulation currently attempting to prove psi with science. Although, personally I believe psionics occur on a different realm then the physical, so I don't believe it will be provable. However, that has no bearing on the subject at hand! If you go to Upconline.net, his name is ErikJDurwood2...he is very interesting to talk to!

Anyways, good luck,
Brandon

Well, I read one of the things on remote viewing and the conclusion was - no, isn't real. I'd read the others but they're on the order of 30 - 150 pages.

Gonna watch some of these videos on UPC.

Originally Posted by Chaos Theory

Why don't you experiment then? hm? Find a website with techniques and try them? What harm could it do except maybe waste an hour of your life you can't get back?

Seriously if every skeptic would shut their mouth for a few minutes and try it you might get results.

true, i'm only 15 and it's summer vacation so it's not like I have anything else to do. I guess I will try it if people actually claim it to be possible, but I'm not expecting any results, unless magicdood has a technique for me!

Ok, yes, I haven't gotten through very much either cause of the length, hehe.

Don't get carried away in the videos. Take them for what they are. Meant to be an inspiration to practitioners...not to convince anyone! I hope however, that they do impress you, hehe

Oh, hello Luv2Dream. I'm glad you are taking the plunge and opening up your mind. You can try psipog.net, psistudies.net and upconline.net for some great methods! If you have any questions, just let me know in a pm!

Good luck and I know you'll succeed!

Originally Posted by Gumby123psi

http://www.crypto.com/blog/psychic_cryptanalysis/ Those are the people that beat Randi.

They "beat" the challenge by decrypting the code Randi happened to release, not by any psychic power. The contest is for demonstration of psychic powers, not for decrypting a code. I read this a while back, and either you didn't read the whole thing or you're hoping I won't. Either way, you lose.

Haha, He loses! Oh well...Well anyways, did you read the link about how Randi is only accepting famous people with educational training or a scientific backround? Wonder why? Maybe he was refusing to many credible sources? :p

Anyways, how did the videos hold up against your all knowing power?!

Originally Posted by magicdood

Haha, He loses! Oh well...Well anyways, did you read the link about how Randi is only accepting famous people with educational training or a scientific backround? Wonder why? Maybe he was refusing to many credible sources? :p

Anyways, how did the videos hold up against your all knowing power?!

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Originally Posted by The Wig

They "beat" the challenge by decrypting the code Randi happened to release, not by any psychic power. The contest is for demonstration of psychic powers, not for decrypting a code. I read this a while back, and either you didn't read the whole thing or you're hoping I won't. Either way, you lose.

Was just going to post the exact same thing. The author was ragging on Randi for having a non-secure protection of the secret, not claiming to have used ESP to find it. This is why he adds tongue-in-cheek at the end "I suppose I'll graciously decline his million dollars. This time."

The question you have to ask yourself is, would a guy like randi, who has dedicated his whole life to disproving psychics, really ever give someone who's demonstrated psychic abilities one million dollars? It would be great if it were a non-biased challenge but unfortunatly randi always has an out. The whole thing is desined so that he never has to pay out a dime if he dosn't want to.

I completely agree. It is very much setup that way. Also for the videos, try right clicking and saving as if you haven't already. And they work fine for me...as long as you save them.

Also, you might wanna check the videos at ppsociet.com. I don't personally frequent the site that much, but I like the videos.

Originally Posted by 27

The question you have to ask yourself is, would a guy like randi, who has dedicated his whole life to disproving psychics, really ever give someone who's demonstrated psychic abilities one million dollars? It would be great if it were a non-biased challenge but unfortunatly randi always has an out. The whole thing is desined so that he never has to pay out a dime if he dosn't want to.

it is non-biased, BOTH parties have to agree on the terms. If both parties agree, it's kind of hard to claim "No, it didn't work". Randi has already claimed he would give out the million if someone 100% proved because it would be "wonderful".

Again, did you read the link I gave. He won't accept anyone with a good educational backround in science or a scientist. The two least likely people to believe in telekinesis. Wow, isn't that odd?

Originally Posted by magicdood

Again, did you read the link I gave. He won't accept anyone with a good educational backround in science or a scientist. The two least likely people to believe in telekinesis. Wow, isn't that odd?

Link again, missed it or you forgot to link it.

It was A LONG while back but I did link it! Oh well, not a big deal.

http://psistudies.net/forums/index.php?topic=541.0

Yes this is a psionics site, but the actual thing is just a quote from Randis site or some other Affiliate so it IS un-biased.

Enjoy,
Brandon

Originally Posted by magicdood

It was A LONG while back but I did link it! Oh well, not a big deal.

http://psistudies.net/forums/index.php?topic=541.0

Yes this is a psionics site, but the actual thing is just a quote from Randis site or some other Affiliate so it IS un-biased.

Enjoy,
Brandon

There is a reason for this. It's simple. Do you know how many people propistion this guy for the million with stupid as tricks? If he had to do every person he wouldn't have a life and he's be doing tons of these things that ultimately fail. It isn't hard to get media attention if you're a psychic, people eat that shit up. And if you get that, someone can recommend you (there ARE professors in parapsychology and shit). So it's not a bad thing.

Oh, and I wanted to ask, whats wrong with believeing in psychic stuff? If, like you said, someone reading this became convinced that TK exists, where's the harm in that, even if TK dosn't exist?

I most certainly understand. But he cannot punish those who can do it for real, just because of some other immature people. And thus, his test is invalid.

Originally Posted by magicdood

I most certainly understand. But he cannot punish those who can do it for real, just because of some other immature people. And thus, his test is invalid.

That doesn't make it invalid. It's easy enough to get fame and a recommendation. If you're serious and can do it, it's not hard at all to do the challenge.

You're serious? It's not hard to get fame? Maybe if you want to dedicate your whole life to proving what an amazing psychic you are. Most practitioners of TK arn't that vain.

Very true. I know for myself personally, I don't want the fame AT ALL. And I know of many other practitioners who feel the same way. It's not all that odd that these people who do not want the fame are the ones who progress, since they are in it to expand their mind. Yet those that would show it on t.v. and want fame, do not progress as they are not in it for the right reasons.

And by invalid, I just mean the average joe like me cannot get a spot to attempt to show telekinesis, so it is in a way invalid. It is VERY hard to get famous, and I don't plan on spending too much money or time on it. So...that statement was not very true, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by 27

You're serious? It's not hard to get fame? Maybe if you want to dedicate your whole life to proving what an amazing psychic you are. Most practitioners of TK arn't that vain.

It's hard to get fame if you're trying to be a movie star or some kick ass guitarist. Psychics can get fame practically instantly because people WANT to believe. Same way all these free-energy quacks get noticed all the time, because people WANT to believe in it.

What am I supposed to do. Being my age, just walk up to Larry King and do telekinesis? Not happening. :p

Originally Posted by magicdood

What am I supposed to do. Being my age, just walk up to Larry King and do telekinesis? Not happening. :p

...yeah? Basically pretty much if you want to be that extreme. Or start locally, move to state wide, and go national. All you have to do is be assertive and show off your "ability". And considering no one else is competing for the market that much, it's not hard to get noticed.

In case you didn't read that closly enough, now Randi will challenge you. That means he can pick and chose who he wants to test. If theres someone who has a certain amount of fame and apears to have real abilitys, randi dosn't have to challege them. On anouther note, who desides if you're famose enough to be tested?

Ah, Randi..and if you just might have the ability, will he challenge you, of course not!

Also, I've said enough, I don't want the fame. I don't. So I'm not going to do that haha.