Thread: ParadigmShift WILD method

Do i just imagion myself say just going up and down ( to the top of my bed then slide down to the bottem )
and i just imagion this ?

See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.


when you say that does it mean that you roll your real body or your imagination? you should call this method ... PSILD(physical sensory initated lucid dream) or BSILD(bodliy physical sensory initated lucid dream ) i am going to try that out this night. and can you not sleep for 6 hours then wake around some where earily?

I tried this last night going directly to bed, and it definitely helped keep me conscious while also putting my body to sleep! My problem is that I always think I am dreaming too soon, and then I end up opening my real eyes and it ruins everything!

Tonight I will try again, and also set my alarm so I can do a WBTB in the morning!

Sounds great =]

ill give a try tonight

so much hype but nobodys given any postivie feedback
shame really.

nah supposedly it worked for 2 dreamviews.com members so far (if you read the whole thread), but they haven't come back to say anything else. hmm... I'm trying to see if I said anything incorrect in my guide...

also, try it as a midday nap. Seems to work well that way too. Good luck with anyone who tries it, I wrote this up to help you all not to waste your time!

Originally Posted by Gabo

I tried this last night going directly to bed, and it definitely helped keep me conscious while also putting my body to sleep! My problem is that I always think I am dreaming too soon, and then I end up opening my real eyes and it ruins everything!

Tonight I will try again, and also set my alarm so I can do a WBTB in the morning!

Yeah, make sure you don't try to shift too early or perpetually; it keeps your mind too alert. You have to be sporadic, if it doesn't work try again later. With this technique, you are only near a dream when you can literally feel body sliding across your bed. However, your vision will probably still be black so you will have to "open your eyes" when you get the sensation.

Originally Posted by imran_p

so much hype but nobodys given any postivie feedback
shame really.

uh, supposedly this technique has worked for 3 other members so far, just read the thread...also I'm sure you realize WILD is a very difficult technique for most.

Good luck with anyone who tries it, I wrote this up to help you all not to waste your and my time! I've fine tuned this technique so that I can do it almost nightly, if anyone experiences success with it I can go more into detail in achieving the same level of consistency.

Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Hey guys I'm new to this website but definitely not new to LDs. I haven't seen anyone mention this technique, so I think I just discovered it on my own and I wanna share it with you all. Before this, I used to have SERIOUS trouble with WILD, only to find out it's the most consistent and easiest method of becoming lucid when I employ this technique.

1. Go to bed, wake up earlier than you normally would. (I wake up 6 hours later, which always interrupts me in the middle of a dream. This is good, you WANT to interrupt a dream so you wake up very sleepy)

2. As soon as you wake up, slam the alarm clock off and QUICKLY try to get back to sleep. Don't get up and read/brush your teeth/anything. Try to not even open your eyes. You have to do this with as little in between as possible--as in you'll naturally drift back to sleep within a few minutes again.

OK here's where I would have trouble with WILD. I would either stay awake trying to focus on something, or I would drift into sleep without noticing. The remedy for that?

3. Wait a few seconds, then imagine something happening to your body. No, not someone poking your feet with a sharp stick. Try to make your body feel as if it's being dragged across your bed. If it doesn't work, don't make a big deal out of it, just try again later. You will still see black, so it's all just tactile.

4. When you accomplish the sliding across your bed sensation, don't get scared. It will feel as if you're going to fall out of your bed (you won't, you're beginning to dream). See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.

5. It will still seem as if your eyes are closed and you're mentally dragging yourself across your bed. Stop dragging yourself around, and "open" your eyes. Usually by this point, you'll be in a sleep paralysis state without you noticing it and you will open your "dream" eyes instead. My LDs (and all dreams actually) start in my bed. Normally It would be a false awakening, but I've been conscious this whole time so I know what's really happening.

This seems to work best for people who CANNOT get to sleep when trying to WILD, because they concentrate too hard their mind becomes grounded in real life. To me this is the easiest way to WILD because you don't have to go through the scary electrocuting/light flashing/chalk scratching sensations that I normally get trying to WILD the old-school way. The transitional phase is automatic for me. Try it, let me know how it works for you and I'll try to answer questions too.

Someone in the FILD thread posted a similar method, but instead of imagining their body sliding across the sheets, they continuously imagined their body rolling up into a sitting, than standing position, and eventually it feels like you actually got up which is when you're standing in your dream. They said it works every time.

MY QUESTION, is: do you think if you remember your previous dream, it would help to feel yourself sliding along the sheets and imagine the previous dream imagery to be on the other side of the room; and thats what you're sliding towards?

For some reason I don't get the Sliding across bed concept, what do you mean by that? >_<

Yea.. I think the most important thing is to feel some kind of movement that can become fluid and automatic. I tried a few times last night, and feeling like my body was flipping in backward summersaults seemed to get me the closest..

you know that's odd because last night I actually ended up doing the same thing, i got the sensation of flipping backwards so that I was doing a headstand up against the wall. The problem was I got scared of "waking" in my dream. drat

i_speel_good OK here's the best way I can describe it: if you were to go to bed right now, laying on top of all your sheets with eyes shut, and asked a friend to pull those sheets so that they drag you across your bed, that's what it should feel like. It's just a sensation of movement, not a visual thing for me.

well anyway it does look like some people had success with it, but it was nothing revolutionary as I had expected it to be. I guess I just picked it up so quickly probably because I've been LDing for a long time now.

But wouldn't this method induce an OBE instead of a LD more often?

Well, this did work for me paradigm shift. However, then it stopped working. I imagine being dragged and moving across my bed, it worked twice. Then it just stopped working. I really don't know what I am doing wrong as I used WBTB and focused really hard. However, it failed. Any suggestion? I will try again however it seems like it stopped working.

You must be doing something differently.

Also, it would also be good to explain stuff like, how hard do you concentrate, are you relaxed, does it matter where you body is, do you feel anymore sensations, do you need to quickly go back to sleep during wbtb e.t.c.

I get up and go to the toilet when I do wbtb, I will try to drink less water and just go back to sleep fast. I think this might have made me fail.

But wouldn't this method induce an OBE instead of a LD more often?

You just open your eyes and you see the dream world. OBE's are just LD's.

Originally Posted by wendylove

OBE's are just LD's.

that depends on the definitions you give to each concept. In my opinion those are two different things.

that depends on the definitions you give to each concept. In my opinion those are two different things.

Well, the scientific opinion of OBE's are they are just a dream. And all you need to do is open your eyes and see pictures. Plus his technique produces lucid dreams.

This looks like the best new tech I've seen in a while. I must give it a whirl.

Yea.. could you perhaps add some more detail to your method Paradigmshift?

Originally Posted by wendylove

You must be doing something differently.

Also, it would also be good to explain stuff like, how hard do you concentrate, are you relaxed, does it matter where you body is, do you feel anymore sensations, do you need to quickly go back to sleep during wbtb e.t.c.

I get up and go to the toilet when I do wbtb, I will try to drink less water and just go back to sleep fast. I think this might have made me fail.

OK I'll go more into detail but I tried to keep it as general as I could so people could modify it to their personal patterns.

1. How hard to concentrate: see this diagram

2. Are you relaxed: of course.
3. Does it matter where your body is: I don't think it really makes a big difference.
4. Do you need to quickly WBTB: Yes, I personally do because I'm a very light sleeper. Depends for each person, you have to know your sleep patterns.

If you have a patient friend, here's how I taught it to my roommate:

He would WBTB. I would wait for him to fall back asleep. Then I would tap his forehead and he would give me a sign that he's back to consciousness (he would move his finger). I would wait for him to fall back asleep again. Then I would very lightly tug on some sheets that he was sleeping on top of, making sure not to wake him up. The small disturbance was enough to get him back to awareness, and reminded him of the technique, and eventually he got it.

That diagram actually is really helpful. I dont think I was allowing myself to move back toward sleep enough... And I love the idea of you doing that with your roomate! I hope they were very appreciative: Have they kept up with this method?

I hate sleep paralysis, that's when the creepy stuff happens. I wouldn't recommend this method to people that freak out easily (like me).

It is VERY easy to induce sleep paralysis for me, all I have to do is lay on my back...then the really weird stuff happens...

I think I know what I was doing wrong. I started to imagine myself moving at the beginning, I should have waited.

How do you know when to start shifting? Can you describe how you know when to start shifting.

Well, I will try tonight.

This might be the end for my problems :O

I'll try it.

Originally Posted by wendylove

I think I know what I was doing wrong. I started to imagine myself moving at the beginning, I should have waited.

You're right. I wasn't clear enough on that in my guide. I pretty much said if the shift doesn't work, to try again later. I'll expand on it here.

For a visual explanation of how to concentrate, see the diagram a few posts up^^^. I go through (and I think every WILD'er) goes through a cycle of temporary mental lapses along with small rebounds to awareness. You don't want to focus in a state of being awake right off the bat for obvious reasons. Instead you need to try after each rebound in a state of "awareness".

Please just look at the diagram I drew up a couple of posts above. It should be pretty self explanatory.

gl

edit: my roommate who is a deep sleeper (unlike me) says the rebounds to awareness are more pronounced in daytime naps. I guess it would be better to practice this technique as a daytime nap, even though I discovered it as a wbtb. But if you're a light sleeper you probably go through what I described anyway.

Yes, this gave me several LD's during a nap. Yeah, I think the problem was I was trying to shift to early, as I waited to the moment I was going to fall asleep. I had the mental laspses as you say and then I lucid. I didn't need to shift much, which was really good.