Thread: ParadigmShift WILD method

Whoa...the whole mental lapse thing is starting to confuse me...can someone explain??

And when you say "try to shift" do you mean that's when you imagine the rolling sensation?

Originally Posted by Elucive

Whoa...the whole mental lapse thing is starting to confuse me...can someone explain??

I believe by that part he just means when you get that drop-out of consciousness for a moment, like when you just about fall asleep then become aware again.

Well...I tried last night...or this morning actually...

So I get up at 7....once again I didn't wake up from a dream so I was wide awake, I decided to try anyway. I focused on nothing to the point of me about to drift off, then I started imagining me being dragged....it didn't work. I waited and tried once more, didn't work.

I gave up and went to sleep normally and had a dream right away....I just don't understand why the method didn't work....so I woke up and tried again, this time I awoke from the dream and was tired, I waited a minute and started imagining me being dragged. Once again, didn't work. Again I waited and tried to shift, didn't work.

I'm starting to lose hope, NO method has worked so far.

The only lucid dreams I've had have been totaly accidental DILDs. I haven't tried a wild but have exelent dream recall. I have to tonight. I read someone felt like throwing up during this??! Tell me more!!

This sounds effective and well explained, I might try this tonight. I like what you had said about coming in and out of awareness. I have tried a ton of techniques and I think this one seems more towards the realm of what gets results for me.

I assume this would work during nap....even though it may take longer.

I'm just going to lay there not focusing on anything until I'm about to doze off, then start imagining the dragging.

From what I understand that is how it is accomplished.

Yea it is, but through morning nap, as in WBTB.

I'm talking about an afternoon nap.

At night when I'm about to go to sleep I get that sliding feeling sometimes. I think this could work for me.

I had to register cuz of this technique. I tried it last night and it was my first attempt at a WILD. It kind of worked becuase i fell asleep trying it but dreamed that i was trying to do it (weird eh?) and explaining it to everybody in my house while i was dreaming my .....sooo close, not bad for my first try though.

Oh yeah im not sure if i was a wake or dreaming but i did feel that sensation of falling or sliding in bed, felt wierd.

Has this method ever worked for anyone when they first go to sleep? I know some can WILD this way, but that might be a reach for this technique?

Paradigmshift made a really great diagram describing the transition from waking to dreaming using this method.. but could the other people that have had success describe their experience with the transition I think this is the most crucial point and we any further clarity would be greatly appreciated.

You are consciously intending to feel yourself being dragged along. At some point though do you feel like you are being dragged along and you're not even trying to make this happen anymore?

no one?

This worked the first time I used it. Haven't had the second yet. We'll see what happens.

great technique Im going to have a nap and try this now!! I'll post back later.

Success!

First of all.. I was just practicing this method without planning on going asleep. I use a cell phone alarm that I attach to my hand in order to wake up without moving. (I can post more on this if you'd like) However, I seem to lack the will to try anythign when I wake up at night so I started practicing this afternoon with the alarm on a 5 minute snooze. [B]To me it seems that it doesn't make much of a difference what kind of movement you're imagining.. it just has to be something that can feel continuously and really get in the zone with some kind of repetitive control.[B]

As I think I may have experienced that dropoff point that Paradigmshift described more unconsciously than may be necessary. I may have stopped imagining movement at some point and started to feel other sensations come over me. This triggered my realization BECAUSE I sensed this lack of control as if I had somehow exited my trance.
And this is when I did my reality check.

Hmm. I tried this last night and it didn't work. I woke up at 5, which is 6 hours later from when I went to bed. I clicked my alarm off and immediately imagined myself being pulled off the bed and I tried to think of that feeling. I got nothing. No effects, nothing. I kept on trying, but eventually I just fell asleep. Any tips for me?

This sounds like a variation of DEILD (which is a subspecies of WILD, I suppose) because you speak of re-entering the dream state through staying completely still when exiting a dream. Sounds good, but I want a full REM period in lucid-mode.

Just want to add its rare when I try new things. Stuck in old ways I guess but I didnt even do this using WBTB which I typically do. I did this at the first onset of sleep and still let me tell you what I experienced. I started actually to feel as if I were being dragged. I guess i was going down the bed continually. Then my whole body went numb (sp) which I never get typically. I then started seeing the most vivid HI's really incredible. I was watching them for a least a couple of minutes, almost transformed into the dream but came back out. Really amazing for a first attempt. I'm going to keep with this and see where it takes me. Thanks!

Alright! I'm glad some of you guys are coming through with (some) results! I've noticed I made some mistakes in my OP and I can't edit them for some reason. If you guys become as successful with this technique as I have, I'd like to some day make a more comprehensive guide using your guys' input. Anyway on to questions and concerns...

Originally Posted by Truffles

I clicked my alarm off and immediately imagined myself being pulled off the bed and I tried to think of that feeling. I got nothing. Any tips for me?

Yeah, this was a mistake on my original post. You shouldn't immediately imagine yourself being pulled unless you are like me and you'll very quickly fall back to a light sleep. See PAGE 2, I illustrated a more "universal" and detailed diagram which should help you get the timing of it right.

Originally Posted by Abra

Sounds good, but I want a full REM period in lucid-mode.

Eventually you can get good enough at this that you are pre-REM and transition into a full REM cycle. If you want a full REM period and you want to use this technique I hope you've at least had some WILDs, otherwise you're asking for too much of yourself. After a lot of experience with WILDs, I've noticed that the very beginning of an REM cycle is rather unstable, at least for me.

gl to all of you! if anyone has more questions for me I'll try my best to help you out.

so does it only take you a couple of minutes to get into the dream?

Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Yeah, this was a mistake on my original post. You shouldn't immediately imagine yourself being pulled unless you are like me and you'll very quickly fall back to a light sleep. See PAGE 2, I illustrated a more "universal" and detailed diagram which should help you get the timing of it right.

...I do fall back asleep quickly. That's the problem. You say in the tutorial to instead of getting up for a little bit, just go back to sleep. If I do that then I'll be gone in about 10 seconds. It honestly doesn't matter what I focus on. Sorry if I read it wrong, I'm just a bit confused.

Hey ParadigmShift,

Thanks for the info. Are you using the same technique you described in this thread to induce LDs at bedtime too? If so what's the difference in the approach of your morning and bedtime attempts?

I'm gonna try this tonight.