Thread: ParadigmShift WILD method

Paradigm, I forgot to mention earlier. This gave me my first WILD. Thankyou very much! When I was very determined to do this (not to go back to sleep) I sorta, fell into a short but weird LD.

I assume this would work during nap....even though it may take longer.

I'm just going to lay there not focusing on anything until I'm about to doze off, then start imagining the dragging.

Paradigmshift made a really great diagram describing the transition from waking to dreaming using this method.. but could the other people that have had success describe their experience with the transition I think this is the most crucial point and we any further clarity would be greatly appreciated.

You are consciously intending to feel yourself being dragged along. At some point though do you feel like you are being dragged along and you're not even trying to make this happen anymore?

Whoa...the whole mental lapse thing is starting to confuse me...can someone explain??

And when you say "try to shift" do you mean that's when you imagine the rolling sensation?

Originally Posted by Elucive

Whoa...the whole mental lapse thing is starting to confuse me...can someone explain??

I believe by that part he just means when you get that drop-out of consciousness for a moment, like when you just about fall asleep then become aware again.

I'm gonna try this tonight.

I have used something similar to this before, with quite a bit of success. I sleep on my side, right at the edge of the bed. Then I imagine myself sitting up and then standing up beside my bed. I keep imagining this over and over again until it becomes real.

I think that diagram that ParadigmShift drew is the most helpful think I've seen in a long time. I think that's where a lot of people are missing the boat on techniques that involve directly entering a dream.

This technique reminds me a lot of FILD and of IH8Reality's technique of running around your house.

I will typically try to WILD on my back using a traditional method. I can't sleep on my back normally, so if I feel the WILD is not working, I will roll to my side to go to sleep. Then, while falling asleep in this comfortable position, and right on the cusp of sleep (bobbing in and out of consciousness), I will imagine the physical sensation over and over again while losing consciousness.

I replied a few months ago to stiky. He asked me about my experience with lucid dreams, and I told him thal all my lucid dreams began in sleep paralisis. But I have never been able to induce sleep paralisis. In every case, a feel that I am being dragged from my bed, and in every case I realize that I am dreaming. In all those cases my dreams were weird. Flying at great speed over the sea, rivers, mountains. In some cases crossing along many doors in which people are dead and covered with blankets, etc. I did not feel any fear because I am materialistic and I do not believed in anything thas is supernatural. I have tried many times to feel that "drag thing" but I have failed. It is something I can not induce.

SO do u actually drag/roll or imagine it and I do I have to a WBTB method.

I woke up without the alarm clock and tried in my normal sleeping position, though again I have a habbit of waking up and getting to cold thus I feel uncomfterbal because I wear shorts to bed and a t-shirt (even around this time of year) and cold usualy decreeses my level of conscious too, I did feel alittle bit of fuzziness in my body, and eventually I fell into a deeper state of conscious but then I rolled over accidently and decided to give it up, because I wasn't very comfterbal, tomorrow I'll wear pants to bed .

Do i just imagion myself say just going up and down ( to the top of my bed then slide down to the bottem )
and i just imagion this ?

See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.


when you say that does it mean that you roll your real body or your imagination? you should call this method ... PSILD(physical sensory initated lucid dream) or BSILD(bodliy physical sensory initated lucid dream ) i am going to try that out this night. and can you not sleep for 6 hours then wake around some where earily?

I tried this last night going directly to bed, and it definitely helped keep me conscious while also putting my body to sleep! My problem is that I always think I am dreaming too soon, and then I end up opening my real eyes and it ruins everything!

Tonight I will try again, and also set my alarm so I can do a WBTB in the morning!

Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Hey guys I'm new to this website but definitely not new to LDs. I haven't seen anyone mention this technique, so I think I just discovered it on my own and I wanna share it with you all. Before this, I used to have SERIOUS trouble with WILD, only to find out it's the most consistent and easiest method of becoming lucid when I employ this technique.

1. Go to bed, wake up earlier than you normally would. (I wake up 6 hours later, which always interrupts me in the middle of a dream. This is good, you WANT to interrupt a dream so you wake up very sleepy)

2. As soon as you wake up, slam the alarm clock off and QUICKLY try to get back to sleep. Don't get up and read/brush your teeth/anything. Try to not even open your eyes. You have to do this with as little in between as possible--as in you'll naturally drift back to sleep within a few minutes again.

OK here's where I would have trouble with WILD. I would either stay awake trying to focus on something, or I would drift into sleep without noticing. The remedy for that?

3. Wait a few seconds, then imagine something happening to your body. No, not someone poking your feet with a sharp stick. Try to make your body feel as if it's being dragged across your bed. If it doesn't work, don't make a big deal out of it, just try again later. You will still see black, so it's all just tactile.

4. When you accomplish the sliding across your bed sensation, don't get scared. It will feel as if you're going to fall out of your bed (you won't, you're beginning to dream). See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.

5. It will still seem as if your eyes are closed and you're mentally dragging yourself across your bed. Stop dragging yourself around, and "open" your eyes. Usually by this point, you'll be in a sleep paralysis state without you noticing it and you will open your "dream" eyes instead. My LDs (and all dreams actually) start in my bed. Normally It would be a false awakening, but I've been conscious this whole time so I know what's really happening.

This seems to work best for people who CANNOT get to sleep when trying to WILD, because they concentrate too hard their mind becomes grounded in real life. To me this is the easiest way to WILD because you don't have to go through the scary electrocuting/light flashing/chalk scratching sensations that I normally get trying to WILD the old-school way. The transitional phase is automatic for me. Try it, let me know how it works for you and I'll try to answer questions too.

Someone in the FILD thread posted a similar method, but instead of imagining their body sliding across the sheets, they continuously imagined their body rolling up into a sitting, than standing position, and eventually it feels like you actually got up which is when you're standing in your dream. They said it works every time.

MY QUESTION, is: do you think if you remember your previous dream, it would help to feel yourself sliding along the sheets and imagine the previous dream imagery to be on the other side of the room; and thats what you're sliding towards?

Well...I tried last night...or this morning actually...

So I get up at 7....once again I didn't wake up from a dream so I was wide awake, I decided to try anyway. I focused on nothing to the point of me about to drift off, then I started imagining me being dragged....it didn't work. I waited and tried once more, didn't work.

I gave up and went to sleep normally and had a dream right away....I just don't understand why the method didn't work....so I woke up and tried again, this time I awoke from the dream and was tired, I waited a minute and started imagining me being dragged. Once again, didn't work. Again I waited and tried to shift, didn't work.

I'm starting to lose hope, NO method has worked so far.

The only lucid dreams I've had have been totaly accidental DILDs. I haven't tried a wild but have exelent dream recall. I have to tonight. I read someone felt like throwing up during this??! Tell me more!!

This sounds effective and well explained, I might try this tonight. I like what you had said about coming in and out of awareness. I have tried a ton of techniques and I think this one seems more towards the realm of what gets results for me.

so does it only take you a couple of minutes to get into the dream?

worked again during a nap... it works better for me when I do some relaxation techniques before going to sleep or trying the method.

Ive been trying to wild while going to bed the first time and last night I got the feeling of sliding down the bed. I figured it was another part of sp, and kept focused on keeping my eyes shut, when the motion feeling stopped my body jolted and made me fully awake again. Now that I know how close I was to a lucid dream I will be sure to try again tonight!!

ps I also recommend this technique being placed in the tutorials section

Wow, this sounds great. I'm definitely trying this in a few

All the Lucids I've had were DILD, and I didn't have control, and I usually woke up nearly instantly, but I'm working on it.

This might give me my first WILD, sounds easy enough. The beauty is in it's simplicity. As someone stated before, it's exteremely obvious now, lol.

Well, Didn't work first try, but I'm definitely going to keep it up.

I always have trouble with the imagining myself feeling something part. My imagination died hard a long time ago, lol.

PAradigm, how long does it usually take you to get to a lucid dream with this method, from the time you wake up?

When you wake up very tired at night.. and try this method.. do you think its "too much" to simply not let yourself fall asleep again unless its via this method? What I mean is.. does the method require that you fall asleep again fairly soon- or can it work with a perhaps less subtle but more forceful will?

Originally Posted by ParadigmShift

Hey guys I'm new to this website but definitely not new to LDs. I haven't seen anyone mention this technique, so I think I just discovered it on my own and I wanna share it with you all. Before this, I used to have SERIOUS trouble with WILD, only to find out it's the most consistent and easiest method of becoming lucid when I employ this technique.

1. Go to bed, wake up earlier than you normally would. (I wake up 6 hours later, which always interrupts me in the middle of a dream. This is good, you WANT to interrupt a dream so you wake up very sleepy)

2. As soon as you wake up, slam the alarm clock off and QUICKLY try to get back to sleep. Don't get up and read/brush your teeth/anything. Try to not even open your eyes. You have to do this with as little in between as possible--as in you'll naturally drift back to sleep within a few minutes again.

OK here's where I would have trouble with WILD. I would either stay awake trying to focus on something, or I would drift into sleep without noticing. The remedy for that?

3. Wait a few seconds, then imagine something happening to your body. No, not someone poking your feet with a sharp stick. Try to make your body feel as if it's being dragged across your bed. If it doesn't work, don't make a big deal out of it, just try again later. You will still see black, so it's all just tactile.

4. When you accomplish the sliding across your bed sensation, don't get scared. It will feel as if you're going to fall out of your bed (you won't, you're beginning to dream). See if you can control the direction in which you're being dragged. Try rolling your body in place. Do this for about 30 seconds, making sure to control your direction. This tends to help me later in being able to control my LD, the more control I have the more vivid and controllable my LD will be.

5. It will still seem as if your eyes are closed and you're mentally dragging yourself across your bed. Stop dragging yourself around, and "open" your eyes. Usually by this point, you'll be in a sleep paralysis state without you noticing it and you will open your "dream" eyes instead. My LDs (and all dreams actually) start in my bed. Normally It would be a false awakening, but I've been conscious this whole time so I know what's really happening.

This seems to work best for people who CANNOT get to sleep when trying to WILD, because they concentrate too hard their mind becomes grounded in real life. To me this is the easiest way to WILD because you don't have to go through the scary electrocuting/light flashing/chalk scratching sensations that I normally get trying to WILD the old-school way. The transitional phase is automatic for me. Try it, let me know how it works for you and I'll try to answer questions too.

paradigmShift:

I just came accross your method to WILD. Sounds like something I could apply myself to.
One question if I may? When you say roll back and forth from side to side is that an actual movement, or like the dragging method all in your consciousness, without actually moving your physical body?
Any response would be appreciated.

Thanks, sea bee (a sailor forever)

Ah so this is what I have been doing - I noticed this and thought I was the only one (thanks Clairity for pointing me here)

My experiences of WILD always work in this way, here is one cut from my dream journal:

As I rolled onto my side I felt no more comfortable, and still awake, then I felt the change, you know when you can tell you are about to go to sleep, so I thought right, I will catch you out on this, and waited a little longer and could feel myself falling asleep more then tried to jump on this and WILD. But what happened next was weird.

I like to call this the 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang WILD' for those who have seen this will know they ride on a bed? Or that might be Wizard of Oz? If someone could correct me that would be great! I felt a shift in my body, like it jolt forward, I don't know if anyone else gets this, but I usually get feelings of me jolting in my bed, and I was moving forwards and backwards at some force, however when I moved forwards I was making a grunting kind of noise, and was at that confused stage where I didn't know if I was lucid or not at that point so went with it.

Then I felt my bed shift, now normally it is me doing the shifting, and I will like fall head first backwards to something similar sometimes when WILDing. However this was my bed moving, Okay I thought I will roll with this, and made myself move faster, like really fast in this bed, shooting round corners and all sorts, then when it felt ready stopped the bed moving and I was in this other room, it wasn't mine, I was lucid, I had gotten her by flying my bed?? WTF? Either way, it was an interesting WILD. So I sat up in the bed, did the finger RC (because I love the way it feels lol)