Thread: Wild = Obe?

Hey, everyone. I'm back. I used to be here frequently and now I'm just checking back! How's everyone been? I'm actually at work right now, hehe. Overnight shift, no supervisors around.

Anyway, so to get to my subject. WILDs seem to be very similar in nature an experience as OBEs. But would any of you go as far as to say that they are the same? I mean, I've heard that OBEs are much more realistic and it's as if you are really still "in your body". Not saying OBEs are "really out of body", but maybe that they're not WILDs? What's everyone's opinion on this?

Scientifically speaking an OBE is not real and just a WILD.

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Well an OBE could be a WILD they both involve the same steps, you could just say that the OBE part is a dream from a WILD and you just don't realise it.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Scientifically speaking an OBE is not real and just a WILD.

What about the OOBE inductions where they confused the brain, using cameras and a stick (or something like that). I wouldn't say that they induced a WILD, so I don't think that WILDs and OOBEs are the same.

in that case it's not wanted nor recognized as a dream from the dreamer, so it's allucination.

Originally Posted by italianmonkey

in that case it's not wanted nor recognized as a dream from the dreamer, so it's allucination.

there is no such word as allucination... am i the only one who doesnt understand the meaning of such "wise" word?

Originally Posted by roguext22

there is no such word as allucination... am i the only one who doesnt understand the meaning of such "wise" word?

Probably hallucination.

ill say they're different in certain ways but same in others thats what makes them similar and different

Hi. This morning I woke up from a DILD to OBE-state. I figured instead of stand up like a regular OBE and walk with my dream body, I decided to let my self fall onto a light sleep.... Suddenly I was sinking through my bed but stopped half way through.. Because I was unable to sit up i roled out of the bed and down on the floor. A little afraid of waking up I figured I would touch my legs to get more feeling of my dream body.. This acctualy worked because when I stood up and walked out of the room the dream was so clear, bright and vivid. It`s one of my best LD-experiences Sad enough it only lasted for 20 sec. Mainly because I started talking ( I should learn to shut up)..

My point is OBE and WILD share a lot of simularities and what experienced this morning could be explained as both a OBE and a WILD.. Its not a black and white boarder. It`s part of the same thing..

Out of Body Experiences (OOBE)
Moving into the WILD state is often associated with a feeling of leaving one's body. For this reason WILDs are frequently associated with Out Of Body (OOB) Experiences and are sought out by those who take a psychic approach to lucid dreaming.

At least one technique for inducing OBEs has also been reported as useful for inducing WILDs: whilst relaxed, close your eyes and visualise the room you are in. Visualise yourself, sitting or laying down. Make sure that you can really see every detail. Open your eyes, check the accuracy of your visualisation, then close your eyes again and repeat. Once you have the room fixed, visualise yourself moving out of your body, out of the room and into the desired dream.

I dont know how accurate this is, but it helped clarify for me. That sounds like an intense LD Elsig, thanks for sharing it.

The definition of OBEs seems to have changed...and now apparently everyone has them. Can't say I agree with this notion. I still think OBEs are different from WILDs, and that most people on this forum who think they've experienced an OBE, haven't.

OBE isn't WILD. As far as I know, WILD stands for "wake induced lucid dream." ... But you aren't lucid. So it's more like a WID. XD

Originally Posted by Abra

As far as I know, WILD stands for "wake induced lucid dream." ... But you aren't lucid. So it's more like a WID. XD

Sorry but that's not correct. You ARE lucid...that's the whole point of inducing a WILD.

scientifically, i've no idea
in my small experience, they're probably the same thing with different names and different philosophical background. or more precisely, OBE is a way to name those WILDs that have a particular set of characteristics, like strong phisical sensations, realistic setting and high lucidity - making the general sensation strong (sometimes disturbing) enough to involve metaphisical interpretations.

then again, i suppose that being those more real than standard LDs or not can be only proven or disproven experimentally
(which is surely interesting to do)

im pretty sure a WILD is and OOBE, it has the exact same steps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz...eature=related

OBE experiment. Of course this doesn't mean anything really except the brain can make things seem real, still doesn't explain the things i said by proven OBE's. he doesn't go "so and so had a conversation at the far end of the building about this and that" and it confirmed true. Just images from the brain. Dreams are look/feel real, doesn't mean anything.