My language ability differs from dream to dream. Mostly it is normal. I frequently have dreams where I am trying to speak and I can't though. |
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From a number of posts I've read, it seems to me that language functions differently in a lucid dream from how it does in waking life. Some people report speaking languages that they don't actually know fluently. Others find that language that made sense in the dream makes no sense upon awakening. Still others say that they don't really dream in a language at all. |
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Last edited by nothin7; 04-05-2008 at 11:52 PM. Reason: Clarified my last few questions.
My language ability differs from dream to dream. Mostly it is normal. I frequently have dreams where I am trying to speak and I can't though. |
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Language isnt the basis of thought. Images with associated feelings are. Language encodes the thought into words. You can talk in your dream, making perfect sense to yourself, but using random words to encode your thoughts. But you already see and feel the thought, so wheter the words are random or not, you still know what you are thinking. People overhearing you while asleep won't always know what you are talking about because sometimes the word stream is random, but you do know. so this does imply that our thinking isn't based on language at all. |
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Sometimes we speak telepathicly in my dreams. But mostly I talk the same way I think. Which doesnt make sense to others, but makes perfect sense to me. |
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Bollocks.
Great questions to consider there. |
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It really is, My german teacher taught me so much, and I barely remember any of it. but when I listen to german speakers, I can understand them |
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Bollocks.
I'm a bit strange when it comes to language in my dreams. My mother tongue is Norwegian, but I tend to have dreams also in English. It depends on the dream. Also, when I do speak English in my dreams, my pronunciation is completely fluent, even though I have a Norwegian accent when I speak English in real life. Also, I learned French for a few years in high school, but I never got very good at it. I hardly remember anything at all anymore, however, in (lucid) dreams, I will remember quite a lot of what I learned. |
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I don't notice any difference in my ability to speak. I've only attempted to write one time while lucid, and it was the same as in waking life (although I don't remember where I got the pen and paper from, lol). Reading is a bit more complex. The one time that I tried to read fine text (a book) while lucid, the lines were moving around the page and overlapping each other. It was difficult to focus on, let alone read. On the other hand, just the other day I had a lucid where I was reading large restaurant signs in a mall. While the text itself was stable, the names didn't make much sense. I can't recall any of the exact names, but I remember they sounded vaguely foreign, although I couldn't put my finger on the origin. |
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Wow, fantastic, this is very informative. You guys are all gonna be in print soon! In general, I'd love more specific examples of the phenomena you're describing. It's one thing to quote somebody saying "things that made sense in the dream don't anymore when I wake up", but it's so much more powerful if I can quote a dream report as proof: "I heard/spoke/wrote/read a sentence that said xyz, and I understood it as yzx, but when I woke up I realized it really meant zxy." |
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Last edited by nothin7; 04-07-2008 at 01:13 AM. Reason: another question for Luminous, who always seems to be able to shed some light on things
1: For the first part, I would say nearly identical to the waking experience (unless I am lucid). For the second, I often find that I understand things pretty easily, even moreso than when I am awake. |
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I'm not quite as articulate in my lucid dreams as I am in real life, although I still find it easy to talk. |
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Here's an excerpt from my dream journal. It's one of my very first lucid dreams. This actually describes two of the phenomena I described, namely reading fine text and a diminished attention span. |
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I realized that in all of my lucid dreams, I've only said about one or two lines combined... |
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Only one or two lines NightLife? That's exactly the kind of data I'm looking for. In how many lucid dreams and combined hours of dreaming? |
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Well, it's important to note that it's not a completely consistent effect. For example, later in the dream that the first excerpt is from, I had a pretty fascinating conversation with a couple DCs about what it's like to be a dream character. (They said that it's not so bad, in case you were wondering . They also tried to convince me that my dream world is a consistent and complex place which is always present inside my head, even while I'm awake. I was understandably skeptical, but it was a fascinating conversation nonetheless.) |
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Last edited by DuB; 04-07-2008 at 02:47 AM.
I rarely talk in dreams, usually I'm running away from something or fighting something. |
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Lucid Dreams: DILD: 4 WILD: 0 MILD:0
Against Stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain? -Issac Asimov
When I try to read longer lines of text, it won't always make much sense, or it looks like it was written by a 7 year old who can spell. An example would be a dream I had recently where I was reading a magazine. I was reading an article about a female celebrity, and the text looked like random words put together, however still relating to the topic. I was not lucid at this point, but the incoherent and weird text made me lucid. I looked away and back at the magazine, and the text had changed. The topic was still the same. |
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Thanks guys! |
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My syntax and semantics sometimes follow grammar patterns of other languages. Sometimes I dream in Japanese, other times Spanish. Languages that I vaguely hear on tv and in the community will also tend to express themselves. The really remarkable thing is that I understand what I am saying even though I may not completely know the language. I suppose it is the language of the mind that one comprehends most. |
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I hardly ever remember what is said in a dream, but I am aware of the fact that I'm speaking and how I and other DCs speak. |
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"If there was one thing the lucid dreaming ninja writer could not stand, it was used car salesmen."
Hey Amethyst Star, |
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1. Do you find speaking, reading, or writing more difficult? How about understanding? |
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it was some part of an adventure game i've been writing for years. before i was married i did my best to keep a simple outer life so i had time to focus on personal projects and ideas. with an internet business i had a lot of time at home. if you live eat and breathe only one or two ideas at a time, and you have the time and space to do so without distraction, it is amazing what your mind can do. i believe that it can become increasingly engaged to the point that you dream about it clearly. |
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