I know that some people believe that astral projections and lucid dreams are the same. Personally, I think they are two different things. |
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I am not new to LD but very new to the whole idea of it all. I have been reading up on it and came across this site on Qabbala and found LD described as a stage of astral projection. |
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I know that some people believe that astral projections and lucid dreams are the same. Personally, I think they are two different things. |
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My experience is that the two are closely related and different mostly by the way we use our brain to interpret the experience. |
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Lucid dreaming, meditation and astral projection are all very closely related and I think they are all some way to experience the same new world, but then again I don't know much about astral projection and OOBEs.. |
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from what i understand from person experience is that astral projection and lucid dreaming differ in what path you take after sleep paralysis. for me, after i'm paralized if i dont focus on having an ld then i just stay around outside of my body, but havent explored much more after that mostly due to fear, but i would assume that u could astral project from that state instead of entering a lucid dream, but thats just a thought |
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Thank you very much everyone for your thoughts. |
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Last edited by annsie; 05-17-2008 at 12:00 AM.
well for me i have oobe before i actually have an LD so i've seen my prone form laying in bed but it wasnt during an LD i was still awake and concious and as to the soul it really depends on what your beliefs are |
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No, no. Astral Projection is a stage of Lucid Dream. In short, it is a lucid dream in which you make consciously (or unconsciously) make yourself non-lucid, insisting that you are in some realm that bears resemblance to reality, or is not a dream. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
WOW Dallyup ! Thanks ! |
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Oh ! Now I am confused ! What do you mean by make yourself non lucid ? You mean you know you are in a dream but you insist that you are not ? and that would turn into astral projection ? |
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well i dont know if i completely agree with Abra on that point, because astral projection for me (which i have successfully done on several occasions but no longer do) is different than LDing. other realms do exist, the catholic church has exorcists, so the demons have to exist on some other plane, i was exploring the occult for some time and its scary, now im a baptist. but religion aside astral projection is separate from LDing. |
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WILDs in '06: 111
WILDs in '07: 191
WILDs in '08: 179
What people refuse to realize is that astral projection is a plain-old dream. Same chemicals and biological processes fire off, so there is no real difference in 'state.' Dreams form and change at the mercy of expectation. So if you believe you are "on another plane," the dream environment will behave differently. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
well i guess that remains up to u to decide |
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WILDs in '06: 111
WILDs in '07: 191
WILDs in '08: 179
Annsie, |
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Follow your heart
BlessU
Sam
I know some people think LDs and OBEs are different things. I agree that they can be different experiences. When I WILD, I get more of the classic OBE type of experience, and when I DILD, I get the typical LD. Personally, I see them as just different types or levels of lucid dreams, but different experientially. |
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I came back from a hiatus today, and this was the first thread I saw. I was worried until I saw this post. XD |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate them all ! |
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Start doing it when you are asleep! Then see if you can do while awake. |
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I doubt any true scientist would accept that as proof. It may be pure coincidence "her hair was blond and her eyes were green! It looked just like her!", there could be smudging of the account "in the dream, she was humping a ketchup bottle, but I won't post that because I would lose credibility," or perhaps something like "I've dreamed about her a few times, but in the rest she looked different, so I won't post about that..." |
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Last edited by Abra; 05-17-2008 at 02:17 PM.
Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
Jane Roberts speaks of these types of senarios in her "Seth" series. However, it seems to me that the "truth" might be other than our brains can comprehend. I know that when I get really far out "there" it is beyond my brain's comprehension to bring back in one piece or any pieces. |
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Follow your heart
BlessU
Sam
Basically, I believe that astral projection is as real as the waking world. The problem is, I believe the waking world is an illusion. So, I believe astral projection is an illusion, and the waking world is an illusion. |
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Thank you very much for the replies. |
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Thats pretty amazing. Its enough for me, but like I said, I believe everything |
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Let me recount to you in details what happened. The case was even heard in Court because she wanted to sue the surgeon for the event and the fact that he swore at her. The case was thrown out because legally it was not accepted that the patient could see and hear what was going on while being clinically dead. However, everyone of us who were there ( I was the assistant ) knew she spoke the truth. |
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