Thread: Your opinion of Naturals

Do you try to walk?
You just do it.

Learning may have been difficult, or maybe it came 'naturally'.

Either way, once you can walk you stop trying to get up from crawling.

Envious, but pleased that some people have it. Can you imagine the wealth of knowledge about LDing that has been contributed by naturals?

They should be worshipped.

I say we capture them, study them untill we find out their secrets, and use it to make us normal people naturals...

Or...

I'm cool with them, I'd love to be one, but then again not, I imagine as they can't use the techniques, and as mentioned, they cannot explain how they do it, and therefor have a hard time talking to other Lucid Dreamers about it.

Trying to explain how a natural Lucid Dreamer does it is nearly impossible
It simply comes to them naturally, and if you asked them how, it would be like... asking a blind person to describe color. It's simply something they can't do, no matter how much they articulated the words. Though us naturals have definitely contributed to the best of our ability in order to allow others to lucid dream easily, I believe that they can't become naturals. Sure, they could become good at it, but that ability did not come naturally, it came with help from other people, it was an acquired ability. I haven't even been lucid dreaming for that long, but I've had tons, and have a type of lucid dream every night, be it short or not. It's just a subconscious "application" that automatically spawns a lucid dream. That's the best I can describe it, as it really requires no effort.

~Kyle

Originally Posted by Sony86

I think I envy naturals, but yet again they don't get the random dreams that can sometimes be absolutely amazing

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I have random dreams everynight without fail I have been able to lucid since I was younger.. I don't think being a natural lucid means your dreams are boring and unimaginative.

Originally Posted by Lunica

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I have random dreams everynight without fail I have been able to lucid since I was younger.. I don't think being a natural lucid means your dreams are boring and unimaginative.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you.
I still have amazing dreams every night, on top of my lucids!

Everyone in life (and yes I do in fact mean EVERY SINGLE LIVING HUMAN BEING) are a born natural at something. Be it a deep understanding of technology (such as myself :-D), Mathematics, or Lucid Dreaming. So envying that person would not be very fair.

Personally I feel that a natural LDer is only "lucky" if they are truly into LDing. I myself couldnt LD until I fully understood what it meant to be Lucid. Just like I didnt know I had such a gift with manipulating technology until I had a better understanding of what it meant to actually manipulate technology, lol. Luckily for me, when I did actually find out what it meant I realized I had a passion for it. What I am trying to say is the act of doing an activity has to come first, after that is done one can realize if they are a natural or not. So overall my feelings on natural LDers are the same as my overall feelings of myself. They are people who took the time to learn a trait or activity that is heard to consist of hard work, dedication, and determination. Before these "naturals" realized their gift, they still thought they had a long road ahead of them (just like all of us "normals" :-)).

This is just my opinion of course. Natural.....normal.....or whatever the case may be, we were all the same type of seekers of a different form of dreams at one point.

I dont envy them at all....i have natural lucids sometimes (ie: lucids without any induction method or Rc at all, i actually enter the dream thinking "yay, *insert ausome lucid task here*)

I think we all have probably had a natural lucid before, they just seem so similar to regular dreams days later when you're remembering them that we've all forgotten, either that, or we're all just lucky, either way, lucid dreaming is ausome...

Hmm there is one natural I look down upon. My sister and I were talking about LDs the other day, she is a natural and not nearly as interested in them as I am. She said, "Oh, I can choose to have one whenever I want. When I go to bed, I can just decide I want one and have a lucid dream." I asked her a few more questions and essentially she can WILD at will.

Now that is so unfair!

Their just people who have usualy slightly higher then average awarness in dreams, thats my only theory on them, we all sleep in diffrent levels of deepness, and fall asleep faster or slower, a natural probably falls asleep reather fast, which means if they wake up in the middle of the night (probably don't remember it, but we do it alot) and regain a bit of conscious, then fall asleep reather fast they will still keep some of the consciousness,

So I think maybe if you wake up alot (are a light sleeper) and fall asleep fast I think thats the formula for a natural, it would seem that light sleepers also have a mind set in dreams closer to that of reality, but the dreams are probably much harder to stay in. Also I think if they have good visualization skills (they think visually more) then that may contribute since their dreams could be more life like, I've seen people who's dreams they tell me are like thinking of an image but not actually seeing it, vivid dreams allow for clearer environments and a clearer mind, so I think the ability to visualize may be in correlation with lucid skill.

Maybe an organized mind contributes to it, which results in better control over their thoughts and everything, some people's minds are all over the place and they cannot pay attention very well.

I don't feel that I have ever been looked down upon for being a natural. I do get "I'm so envious!" comments from non naturals now and then. Instead of working to have lucid dreams, I work on finding out why I have lucid dreams naturally. I have some vague conclusions so far.

Originally Posted by Luminous

I don't feel that I have ever been looked down upon for being a natural. I do get "I'm so envious!" comments from non naturals now and then. Instead of working to have lucid dreams, I work on finding out why I have lucid dreams naturally. I have some vague conclusions so far.

Care to share? I've always been curious...I've considered a few theories myself but I'm certainly no natural so there's really no substance behind them hehe.

In general, I think it's awesome that there are people out there who can LD naturally. I'm not going to dislike them or look down on them for being able to do something with greater ease than myself, that's just silly. The only way I would have any negative feelings toward someone like that is if they were arrogant about it and rubbed it in people's faces.

Ive only just recently joined these forums, but Ive been on many others and elitists are pretty sad in my book. I hope people arent like that here.

Lucky sons of bitches.

Yeah thats pretty much it...

From the moment i started having lds, when I was about 8, I knew it was very unusual. It was just common sense, because it was so utterly amazing, people would have been talking about it all the time if it were common. I thought people would think I was crazy so I kept my LDs a secret until I was about 11, by then i was not having them as frequently, i first told my parents and they didn't quite believe it, but they never discouraged me. I lost the natural ability when i was about 12, but by practice i regained it around 17 and have gotten better ever since. Its obvious to me that people who claim to have been doing it their whole life and never knew it was unusual are full of shit. I actually think the majority of people claiming to be naturals are lying, maybe they had some slight awareness in their dreams, but to be extremely lucid is definitely not something you would just assume other people were doing. When I was 11 i got tons of books from the library on dreaming and I tried building my own LD induction devices. Its completely insane to think someone having natural lds would never do a minute of research about it or talk to another person about it until adult hood. Please tell me other people realize how obvious this is.

Well I didn't find Lucid dreaming, it found me. that is about as natural as I am. Lol, back then I called it controlled dreams! ah the good ol days!

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

Its obvious to me that people who claim to have been doing it their whole life and never knew it was unusual are full of shit. I actually think the majority of people claiming to be naturals are lying, maybe they had some slight awareness in their dreams, but to be extremely lucid is definitely not something you would just assume other people were doing. When I was 11 i got tons of books from the library on dreaming and I tried building my own LD induction devices. Its completely insane to think someone having natural lds would never do a minute of research about it or talk to another person about it until adult hood. Please tell me other people realize how obvious this is.

I see where you're coming from. It's kinda like having the ability to move things with your mind or something; just how, oh how could anyone assume that something of that magnitude could be completely normal?

Here's my logic: People talk about their dreams. A LOT. If you never heard your parents or siblings talk about what they dreamt at one point or another during your childhood, you've lived a very abnormal life.

So by that token, if a 'natural' thinks LDs are something common to everyone, wouldn't they raise an eyebrow when their brother, for example, tells them that he dreamt he was being chased by a monster? Wouldn't they think "Well why would you want to dream something like that?", and therefore, by the powers of deduction so unique to human beings, conclude that the ability to control one's dreams is in fact not entirely normal?

So I have to be a little skeptical.