Thread: Everyone has Lucids...

Everyone has lucid dreams throught there lives, they might not realize it but they do. I remember before I joined this site and really learned what Lucid Dreaming was, I had Lucid all the time, but I never knew thats what they were called untill after I joined. But untill you know what Lucid Dreaming is and you learn to control your dreams, its just not any fun.

That's how I was Before I joined here.
I had something like 9 lucid dreams before I knew I could control them.
If only I knew, I would have been trying to lucid for several years, but since I didn't know i could control the dream I didn't care about it at all.

yah, everyone can realize they are dreaming.
O SHIZ its a cat girl must be dreaming.! either that or im at slayers house...

Originally Posted by guitarboy

yah, everyone can realize they are dreaming.
O SHIZ its a cat girl must be dreaming.! either that or im at slayers house...

Or in his mind!

Actually not everyone just lucid dreams naturally throughout their lives, or at least they don't remember it when they wake up. I had my first one at 16 and I was like "WTF?!"

I have read about a lot of naturals on here though who have great dream control and love having fun lucid dreams, even before they found out what it was and any techniques to induce/control them.

Um... the whole point of having a lucid dream hinges on the fact that you realize it. So if you aren't realizing it... well, you aren't lucid dreaming...

I managed to have two very brief lucid dreams before I started my training. I had one in 1997, and another in... well, a decade later

Hopefully I can start having them more frequently!

im talking about being able to remember them and that kind of stuff.

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

good point. but still people remember bits and pieces of their dreams every once and a while, almost everyone i know has told me of a dream they had and i ask them if they know what its called when they remember it and they all say "no, what is it?" and i tell them, and a few of them have even joined this site because of it.

I'm confused, are you talking about remembering regular dreams or remembering lucid dreams?

But yea I agree and understand (I think) what you are saying, that people can randomly have lucids, but not control them, and not realize how much fun is openly accessible. I have met people who lucid dream pretty randomly or whatever, who don't know about it, and don't know that it can be induced or controlled. This seems to contrast with those 'naturals'. But I think the difference between people like that and myself, is that people like me went, "Oh my god that was the most incredible experience of my life" and looked it up, because of some inherent interest in dreams and realizing the possibilities, while others didn't or just flat out weren't really interested in dreams. And then I guess you could say that the only difference between naturals and myself is that they experience lucid dreams at a higher frequency, and learned to control them without consulting outside sources. I'm a child of my generation and I use the internet for everything, so even before I had my second 'natural' lucid dream I'd already read up on it and read about all the techniques to induce and control. Maybe I just got ahead of myself Maybe the only difference is that I experienced it at 16, and they all seem to have experienced it earlier in life? Had I had this knowledge that it was possible (I would have absolutely had the interest), I'd probably have grown up lucid dreaming, too.

Some of course hear about it and don't recall ever having had such an experience, maybe they never did or maybe it was simply forgotten, and so they have to research their way into lucid dreaming.

Everyone here realizes that lucid dreams are natural, I think.

I really don't remember any instances of lucid dreams before I started trying.

The only difficulty is training yourself to realize that you are dreaming o.O

I don't think you could say 'most' people...

No one ever asked me if I had ever lucid dreamed before... I'm assuming most people in the world haven't taken a survey with the question 'do you lucid dream' on it.

Some people are natural at dream recall, others aren't. I would imagine people have lucid dreams without recalling them, probably people who don't know what it is... I have met a token few lucky folk who had lucid dreams on a regular basis without knowing what it was.

My best friend for example - I was talking to her about lucid dreaming and my dream journal, etc. etc... She looks at me and goes, "wait, I do that all the time - almost every night I know I'm dreaming and I control the dream however I want. I thought everyone could do that without trying..."

Originally Posted by cacophony

My best friend for example - I was talking to her about lucid dreaming and my dream journal, etc. etc... She looks at me and goes, "wait, I do that all the time - almost every night I know I'm dreaming and I control the dream however I want. I thought everyone could do that without trying..."

Same thing here with one of my friends. I have quite a difficult time believing that anyone can be "natural" at something as infuriatingly hit-or-miss (to me at least) as lucid dreaming, but...him? The sort of guy that you just have to know in order to appreciate how weird he really is?

I know what you mean....

It doesn't feel fair, but then again - nothing is.

I believe everyone does or can, as well!

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

Everyone has lucid dreams throught there lives, they might not realize it but they do. I remember before I joined this site and really learned what Lucid Dreaming was, I had Lucid all the time, but I never knew thats what they were called untill after I joined. But untill you know what Lucid Dreaming is and you learn to control your dreams, its just not any fun.

what a sweeping generalization...



Tweek

Though it is certainly true everyone has the potential for lucid dreams, not everyone has had one before. Though I have talked to people about them and they didn't know the name of the occurrence, but they had had the experience.

Originally Posted by Grod

Though it is certainly true everyone has the potential for lucid dreams, not everyone has had one before. Though I have talked to people about them and they didn't know the name of the occurrence, but they had had the experience.

thats what im talking about

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

thats what im talking about

Why have you ignored my question?

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Ya, I gotta say, I even just talked to some people this morning and they didn't "believe in lucid dreams"... Even though I said that it's been proven scientifically and all that. So I'm sure those people never had lucids .

I've reopened the thread. Unless you guys can behave in an appropriate manner, it will be re-locked. Please conduct yourselves properly, it's really not that hard to have a discussion without descending into pettiness and insults.

Yeah I think this might be true, I remember talking to my friends about choosing what you dream when I was a kid. We all seemed to do it..

A friend has lucid dreams almost every time he goes to sleep without practice, he told me so when I told him about my lucid experience. I asked him what he does and he does a lot of the stuff every one on this forum does in his lucid dreams. For him it is quite common to become lucid.

While I on the other hand had to read about lucid dreaming first then I got 3 lucid dreams within 3 weeks after that without even trying to get one. For some reason I just told my self in those 3 dreams "I am dreaming", never did any RC. But I managed to fly. My dream recall sucks though, in the weekends and vacations I remember my dreams perfectly, but on school days I just remember small parts that happens before I wake up and special happenings. I guess I'm too stressed out on school days.

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

Everyone has lucid dreams throughout their lives..

Unsupported sweeping statement #1, subsequently disclaimed by the OP. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

yah, everyone can realize they are dreaming.

Unsupported sweeping statement #2. Hmmm.. getting good, this.

Originally Posted by shift

I have read about a lot of naturals on here though who have great dream control and love having fun lucid dreams, even before they found out what it was and any techniques to induce/control them.

May I paraphrase, to make my own comment?

You have read some accounts about self-proclaimed "naturals" on here, though, who claim to have great dream control.. even before they claim to have found out what it was.. but then there's always the "Validity Quotient" to take into account.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

actually becoming lucid can be quite common..

Unsupported sweeping statement #3.

Originally Posted by cacophony

My best friend for example - I was talking to her about lucid dreaming and my dream journal, etc. etc... She looks at me and goes, "wait, I do that all the time - almost every night I know I'm dreaming and I control the dream however I want. I thought everyone could do that without trying..."

I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard such a story. On the numerous occasions that I've put such claims to the test (when friends have made similar comments, and I've encountered such claims since Infant School btw) the result has been complete failure to replicate their claims on the part(s) of the claimer(s). (I'm not alone in this. Another DV member periodically tests some people who make such claims. I might add that most of such people refuse to participate, giving every excuse under the sun).The most recent one that I encountered perfectly illustrates what I mean: a friend of mine and I were talking about metaphysical aspects of life (as you do when skunked out of your box) and he suddenly came out with words to the effect of: "I can visualise anything perfectly just by closing my eyes and concentrating..", to which I countered: "Really? Could you perfectly visualise your hands?" He replied that that would be easy, and that he would do it that very night, at my suggestion. So.. days go by, and he says nothing. I hang fire, and 3 weeks later, he still hasn't said anything. So.. I gently broach the subject again, and he immediately takes umbrage, gets completely defensive, and avoids answering the question.. but I don't let it go, and remind him of what he had claimed before, to which he replies:"Oh no! I never said that!" I affirm that he did, but he denies ever saying what I quoted, saying that what he had actually said was that once he had had a "perfect" visualisation that came out of the blue, and that he had never made the claim that I quoted. I have seen such behaviour many times in my life (I'm 53). When you put these people on the spot, they wither away. People are terrible exaggerators/bullshitters/liars, and I include children in that.

Originally Posted by o'nus

Yes, everyone has the ability to recollect and have lucid dreams..

Unsupported sweeping statement #4.

Originally Posted by grod

Though it is certainly true everyone has the potential for lucid dreams..

Unsupported sweeping statement #5

Originally Posted by neko-san

A friend has lucid dreams almost every time he goes to sleep without practice, he told me so when I told him about my lucid experience.

Another quid in my burgeoning coffer. Neko-san? Come on.. your friend says that he can do it. That doesn't mean that he does it. It just means that he says he can.

Originally Posted by lusense

... it's been proven scientifically and all that..

Unsupported sweeping statement #6. No, it hasn't. What has been shown under lab conditions is that sometimes while asleep, the brain does strange things, generally, but not exclusively, attributed to an increase in Serotonin. The fact that the sleeping subjects claimed to have been LDing at the time does not "scientifically prove" lucid dreaming. Also, I am 100% positive that LaBerge never factored in the Validity Quotient in his research. Maybe he's never heard of it.

Originally Posted by vonklammo

This thread smacks unpleasantly of armchair research. I'd be interested to know if any serious attempt has been made to ask the general public about LDing.

At last.. someone thinking outside the box, using initiative of thought, not jumping on bandwagons. A depressingly rare quality.

Originally Posted by carwashguy

I told my girlfriend about it, and we realized she's a natural. She thought everyone did it. She then asked two of her friends, and they too were naturals. I then asked both my parents, and both my parents recalled having lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by paragon

I hear this claim made all the time - "everyone has lucid dreams, just not everyone knows it". Why do people keep saying this, when it's probably not true, and at any rate, there's no way of knowing?

Yay! Another thinker-outside-the-box! There is hope..

That's just about all I wanted to say.

Bring on the flames, and the ban (again)..

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

Everyone has lucid dreams throught there lives, they might not realize it but they do. I remember before I joined this site and really learned what Lucid Dreaming was, I had Lucid all the time, but I never knew thats what they were called untill after I joined. But untill you know what Lucid Dreaming is and you learn to control your dreams, its just not any fun.

No, Jackson.

No.

I've yet to.