Thread: Everyone has Lucids...

Originally Posted by Jackson1610

Everyone has lucid dreams throughout their lives..

Unsupported sweeping statement #1, subsequently disclaimed by the OP. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

yah, everyone can realize they are dreaming.

Unsupported sweeping statement #2. Hmmm.. getting good, this.

Originally Posted by shift

I have read about a lot of naturals on here though who have great dream control and love having fun lucid dreams, even before they found out what it was and any techniques to induce/control them.

May I paraphrase, to make my own comment?

You have read some accounts about self-proclaimed "naturals" on here, though, who claim to have great dream control.. even before they claim to have found out what it was.. but then there's always the "Validity Quotient" to take into account.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

actually becoming lucid can be quite common..

Unsupported sweeping statement #3.

Originally Posted by cacophony

My best friend for example - I was talking to her about lucid dreaming and my dream journal, etc. etc... She looks at me and goes, "wait, I do that all the time - almost every night I know I'm dreaming and I control the dream however I want. I thought everyone could do that without trying..."

I wish I had a quid for every time I've heard such a story. On the numerous occasions that I've put such claims to the test (when friends have made similar comments, and I've encountered such claims since Infant School btw) the result has been complete failure to replicate their claims on the part(s) of the claimer(s). (I'm not alone in this. Another DV member periodically tests some people who make such claims. I might add that most of such people refuse to participate, giving every excuse under the sun).The most recent one that I encountered perfectly illustrates what I mean: a friend of mine and I were talking about metaphysical aspects of life (as you do when skunked out of your box) and he suddenly came out with words to the effect of: "I can visualise anything perfectly just by closing my eyes and concentrating..", to which I countered: "Really? Could you perfectly visualise your hands?" He replied that that would be easy, and that he would do it that very night, at my suggestion. So.. days go by, and he says nothing. I hang fire, and 3 weeks later, he still hasn't said anything. So.. I gently broach the subject again, and he immediately takes umbrage, gets completely defensive, and avoids answering the question.. but I don't let it go, and remind him of what he had claimed before, to which he replies:"Oh no! I never said that!" I affirm that he did, but he denies ever saying what I quoted, saying that what he had actually said was that once he had had a "perfect" visualisation that came out of the blue, and that he had never made the claim that I quoted. I have seen such behaviour many times in my life (I'm 53). When you put these people on the spot, they wither away. People are terrible exaggerators/bullshitters/liars, and I include children in that.

Originally Posted by o'nus

Yes, everyone has the ability to recollect and have lucid dreams..

Unsupported sweeping statement #4.

Originally Posted by grod

Though it is certainly true everyone has the potential for lucid dreams..

Unsupported sweeping statement #5

Originally Posted by neko-san

A friend has lucid dreams almost every time he goes to sleep without practice, he told me so when I told him about my lucid experience.

Another quid in my burgeoning coffer. Neko-san? Come on.. your friend says that he can do it. That doesn't mean that he does it. It just means that he says he can.

Originally Posted by lusense

... it's been proven scientifically and all that..

Unsupported sweeping statement #6. No, it hasn't. What has been shown under lab conditions is that sometimes while asleep, the brain does strange things, generally, but not exclusively, attributed to an increase in Serotonin. The fact that the sleeping subjects claimed to have been LDing at the time does not "scientifically prove" lucid dreaming. Also, I am 100% positive that LaBerge never factored in the Validity Quotient in his research. Maybe he's never heard of it.

Originally Posted by vonklammo

This thread smacks unpleasantly of armchair research. I'd be interested to know if any serious attempt has been made to ask the general public about LDing.

At last.. someone thinking outside the box, using initiative of thought, not jumping on bandwagons. A depressingly rare quality.

Originally Posted by carwashguy

I told my girlfriend about it, and we realized she's a natural. She thought everyone did it. She then asked two of her friends, and they too were naturals. I then asked both my parents, and both my parents recalled having lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by paragon

I hear this claim made all the time - "everyone has lucid dreams, just not everyone knows it". Why do people keep saying this, when it's probably not true, and at any rate, there's no way of knowing?

Yay! Another thinker-outside-the-box! There is hope..

That's just about all I wanted to say.

Bring on the flames, and the ban (again)..