Thread: I came to this conclusion(answer to all of our questions)

yeah Dream Yoga is pretty much the core of lucid dreaming- western scientists like Laberge (who is a genius no questions) based their works on Dream Yoga.

a very nice line that I read somewhere in a Buddhist book is, well I don't remember it exactly but it goes sorta like.. well I'll try to retell it "some great teacher came from tibet to observe the US, and there was a funeral. One of his students was very intrigued by the lavish burial ceremonies, and how the corpses were all neatly arranged in the cemetery and how the lawns were trimmed and stuff, the master said "so what?", pointed at a group of houses with people in them - "those are also corpses"." - it sounded more poetic/wise in the book but the gist is that we (most ppl) live lives devoid of true "consiousness/being there", just on autopilot. Lucid dreaming is like a biproduct of being more conscious.

you can use all the tricks and techniques, but it all comes down to basic awareness- something I'm trying to keep up but by no means am a master of.

I also have to note I was reading the book on dream yoga, and while it contained a lot of useful info I also got quite intimidated by some of the practices and terminology. I guess "true" dream yoga is best practiced with a guru, however no doubt being generally aware, doing the basic stuff and having lucids is but a good thing.

Congrats. You have come to an upshot almost every dreamer should have also come to during his development as LDer. Awareness in the wake world results in awareness in dreams, it should be logic and is the foundation of MILD. Your remarks are all correct, but what's the point? Everyone having spent more than a few minutes on thinking about that conscious-subconscious thing should have realized that there is this connection between wake and dream world.

I agree

Now the question becomes, "How can we remember to keep ourselves aware in both our waking life and our dreams?"

It's true that awareness is linked with the lucid dreams you have. I experienced it myself. However to be full aware in life takes a life time to learn. It's not that easy!
I don't think this is the only answer. I also experienced some lucid dreams in periods when my awareness was not so great.

I agree

Now the question becomes, "How can we remember to keep ourselves aware in both our waking life and our dreams?"

dream yoga is for that!

with practice, it will become natural for you....
I recommend reading the tutorial of billybob, someone named a book there.
the point is, we must be in the situation, in the present....
I never understood that, until I read about dream yoga...

I guess "true" dream yoga is best practiced with a guru.

sure, but it's fun and entertaining to walk the road alone, you can learn a lot.
having a guru is....like basing your life in that...
the "nirvana" tibetan's want...
but I'm not trying to go to the most deeply part of the dream yoga, just enough to understand that I become a better dreamer/person

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I agree

Now the question becomes, "How can we remember to keep ourselves aware in both our waking life and our dreams?"

Reality check often and slowly build up awareness?

What's the difference between just doing that (standard awareness for DILDs) and dream yoga?

Originally Posted by Shift

Reality check often and slowly build up awareness?

What's the difference between just doing that (standard awareness for DILDs) and dream yoga?

People assume for DILDs you just go through the motions, do RCs, keep a DJ, dream recall, MILD (sometimes), etc.

One of the reasons I had a lot of success with DILD is because I incorporated a constant awareness. Not like every second thinking "Am I dreaming? Am I dreaming?" but more like being more aware of my surroundings in general.

Also, the entire first post could be figured out simply by reading BillyBob's tut, so no offense but pretty pointless.

Yea, that's why when I wrote the RC tutorial I made sure to stress that awareness was most important. What kind of idiot doesn't just leap to that conclusion? "You want to notice you're dreaming? Well, start noticing things." haha

So there's no real difference between the two, then? Why the fancy name? What else does dream yoga incorporate?

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Also, the entire first post could be figured out simply by reading BillyBob's tut, so no offense but pretty pointless.

Yeah.

For 1, I only partly agree with it.
You brain will try to build a defense against this, since you are awake while sleeping, and it's not the point of sleeping. Taking a break will break down the barrier slowly, and then you can do it again.