Lie perfectly still for hours, no SP!?!?!

[Baphometslayer]

I don't get what I'm doing wrong. I try this both before going to bed and about 5 hours after going to sleep for my WBTB method. But I can lie perfectly still for HOURS and the best I get is a numbing of my arms and feet. Nothing more, and nothing less. Has anyone else had this problem before? If you did, what did you do in order to remedy it? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

[carraway]

I have the same issue. I lie still for hours, not moving anything, including my eyes. I workout pretty hard everyday for an extended period of time so my body is definately tired, I just cant seem to get full SP, i only get the numbing/tingling

[AURON]

check out http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=65007 for the real deal....but, this is what I do. as soon as I lay down...I'll contract for a few seconds and relax all the muscles in my body, starting with my face and working all the way down to my toes. When I'm down towards my legs or feet...If can tell if something isn't relaxed, and once I'll get to my feet, I'll do the process once more to make sure. Once the numbness settles in, and lets say it seems like 20 minutes have passed, and i'm still not entering SP; I'll imagine that my body is rocking back and fourth on a hammock. I'll also slow down my breathing. If none of that is working, then I'll reposition and start over. Sometimes sleeping on the opposite end of the bed helps me. It shouldn't take you hours to hit SP...you may need to relax a little bit more...the key is trying to let your body and most of your mind know that you're asleep....but you're not asleep....you're just faking it...let me know if any of this works out of you two.

[Tsunami]

I do not think your problem is keeping still. Maybe you have stayed up to long beforehand, you still need to be pretty tired when you go to bed. Also you need to relax before as well. Anyone of these could stop you from WILDing. If you stay up to long in the night you will find it impossible to go back to sleep. Another reason you might be failing is because you are thinking about what you are doing/waiting for sleep paralysis to hit. If you think about it, it just takes longer to come, so just focus on your breathing, don't worry about sleep paralysis or time or anything.

[Baphometslayer]

Psylis, I'll try that tonight when I go to sleep and when I do WBTB. Tsunami, as far as relaxing goes, I meditate daily, normally in the afternoon before I go to sleep. But as for when I'm actually lying down to do WILD, my mind usually is racing with thoughts, I'll focus on the breating tonight. Thanks Guys.

[pond weed]

i know of your problem, and i know why, and i know the solution. for starters. we uses phrases like "tricking the body to go to sleep". this is a simplification. there are a part of the brain (near the back) that controls the body, it is responsible for putting the body into SP. this part of the brain moniters the rest of the brain to see if it is asleep, then induces the SP. but if the rest of your brain is very active, it will pick up on this and not induce SP. a good way to trick this rear part of the brain, is to pretend to dream. go on an imaginary adventure, and you will re-produce the brainwave paterns of a dream, which the rear part of your brain will interpret that you are already asleep and dreaming, and should induce SP quick before you start to act out your dream. ou will probably feel wierd stuuf happen to your body and snap out of the story, and voila. here is an example of how i start of my 'stories' for a WILD. i wake up, at 4ish, make sure i am fully awake (get out of bed if need be). get back into bed and lie IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION I WOKE UP. i count to 5, and as i do i concentrate of the blackness, then i lets my mind hang opnely, not forcing any thought, and the first thought that pops into my mind will be the adventrue location. 1.....2.....3.....4.....5......................... ......................battleship, i am on a ww2 battleship on a hot summers day..........................etc. there we go. try it. let me know how it goes

[mrdeano]

i know of your problem, and i know why, and i know the solution. for starters. we uses phrases like "tricking the body to go to sleep". this is a simplification. there are a part of the brain (near the back) that controls the body, it is responsible for putting the body into SP. this part of the brain moniters the rest of the brain to see if it is asleep, then induces the SP. but if the rest of your brain is very active, it will pick up on this and not induce SP. a good way to trick this rear part of the brain, is to pretend to dream. go on an imaginary adventure, and you will re-produce the brainwave paterns of a dream, which the rear part of your brain will interpret that you are already asleep and dreaming, and should induce SP quick before you start to act out your dream. ou will probably feel wierd stuuf happen to your body and snap out of the story, and voila. here is an example of how i start of my 'stories' for a WILD. i wake up, at 4ish, make sure i am fully awake (get out of bed if need be). get back into bed and lie IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION I WOKE UP. i count to 5, and as i do i concentrate of the blackness, then i lets my mind hang opnely, not forcing any thought, and the first thought that pops into my mind will be the adventrue location. 1.....2.....3.....4.....5......................... ......................battleship, i am on a ww2 battleship on a hot summers day..........................etc. there we go. try it. let me know how it goes Yepp =] I also do this. Basically, have a really nice day dream

[slash112]

i have same problem, ive lay still for hours, i was concentrating on keeping a slow and steady breathing pattern. and pond weed, that sounds like it could work. infact i now remember that ive sort of done that before, i started a wee adventure in my head because i was bored, i ended up in a dream of it. but i dont remember any SP, and i wasnt lucid, once i fell asleep the dream took on a life of its own

[blakkin]

Yeah, this seems like it would work, and I've felt myself drifting off daydreaming as I try and WILD, but how do you prevent yourself from falling into a nonlucid dream relating to your daydream?

[Dream scaper]

I think you're concentrating to much on staying conscious, and thus not relaxing. That's what I found anyway, when I started trying to WILD. The best thing to do is to just relax and let your mind wander a little. Although don't let it wander too much otherwise you'll end up falling asleep. Try doing something that let's your mind wander, but also keeps you conscious, like thinking of as many animals you can think of or something else that makes you concentrate. Then every now and then start to focus on WILDing again, and focus on the white swirly bits on the back of your eyelids and eventually you should get there. Hope this helps.

[ninja9578]

Probably your eyes, they are the biggest giveaway for your body. Try and keep those still, but don't try at it, it's hard, I know There's a good tutorial in the tutorials section about SP.

[Pickledapples]

I don't get what I'm doing wrong. I try this both before going to bed and about 5 hours after going to sleep for my WBTB method. But I can lie perfectly still for HOURS and the best I get is a numbing of my arms and feet. Nothing more, and nothing less. Has anyone else had this problem before? If you did, what did you do in order to remedy it? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! If you have a good hour or so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJOM...=TL&playnext=1 That should give you all the help you need. Cheers! ;D

[BigFan]

i know of your problem, and i know why, and i know the solution. for starters. we uses phrases like "tricking the body to go to sleep". this is a simplification. there are a part of the brain (near the back) that controls the body, it is responsible for putting the body into SP. this part of the brain moniters the rest of the brain to see if it is asleep, then induces the SP. but if the rest of your brain is very active, it will pick up on this and not induce SP. a good way to trick this rear part of the brain, is to pretend to dream. go on an imaginary adventure, and you will re-produce the brainwave paterns of a dream, which the rear part of your brain will interpret that you are already asleep and dreaming, and should induce SP quick before you start to act out your dream. ou will probably feel wierd stuuf happen to your body and snap out of the story, and voila. here is an example of how i start of my 'stories' for a WILD. i wake up, at 4ish, make sure i am fully awake (get out of bed if need be). get back into bed and lie IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION I WOKE UP. i count to 5, and as i do i concentrate of the blackness, then i lets my mind hang opnely, not forcing any thought, and the first thought that pops into my mind will be the adventrue location. 1.....2.....3.....4.....5......................... ......................battleship, i am on a ww2 battleship on a hot summers day..........................etc. there we go. try it. let me know how it goes Interesting, I think I've done that before as well except let's just say that I ended up in a nightmare of my own doing

[Baphometslayer]

Ok, after about a week of tweaking my WILDing method, I had a mild success last night.Of course, once I got past SP my efforts were hindered because I bought Left 4 Dead yesterday and played it for 8 hours. I woke up in to my dream and was in zombie hell, straight from L4D! I could even see the claw marks on things I was able to climb on. OI! Anyway, thanks for the help everyone. Proved more useful than any literature I've exhumed out of textbooks.

[KingOfTwilight]

I'm thinking I'll try these tips tonight.