Thread: Telling DC's they're not real.

When I tell my DCs when they are not real they completely ignore it as if I said nothing whatsoever. I know, not very exciting. However I have had lucids where my DCs know they are in a dream and act like normal lucid people, doing exciting crazy things and socializing about LDing, which is a lot of fun!

I never tell em they're not real, it'd be too mean!

The thing is, how do you know there not real? You can feel them, touch them, talk to them, smell them. the case is everything in your head is real only...its all in your head!

Originally Posted by conisag

The thing is, how do you know there not real? You can feel them, touch them, talk to them, smell them. the case is everything in your head is real only...its all in your head!

I know! Even though they are invented by our mind they still appear to have personalities and go about their own lives. It's a bit like AI, where does a simulation become real... eh? eh?

I told my best mate he wasn't real in a dream this morning and he was properly offended! Also, an alarm went off in the shop I was in and I had to leg it.

I've tried this a few times and they usually say that they already know and if they don't, they believe me when I tell them and don't go crazy. My DC's are intelligent DC's.

Yeah they tend to argue with me too, I usualy dont bring it up.

Originally Posted by Serinanth

Yeah they tend to argue with me too, I usualy dont bring it up.

I said they don't argue

*headdesk*

Originally Posted by Serinanth

*headdesk*

That's gotta hurt....Anyway, telling a DC that they aren't real must be pretty funny
I'll try it out sometime.

I tried it.. he was offended!

Originally Posted by J.D.

I tried it.. he was offended!

Haha, more detail

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Originally Posted by DreamVortex

Haha, more detail

He looked down at the ground sadly and said, "Alright well." I actually felt bad!

Originally Posted by Balder

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Excellent quotation!

I tried it again yesterday but they said something that kind of scared me

Originally Posted by Zezarict

I tried it again yesterday but they said something that kind of scared me

What??

imo DCs are a waste of time and effort, I avoid them amap.

Originally Posted by TurtleLG

What??

I don't remember but it was pretty threatening and they had a gun, but I did too so they didn't get a chance to shoot...

They ask for proof? Not like I care, while asleep, a DC is as real as... reality! Once I wake up though <.<

Well actually, I never told a dream character that they weren't real. I did tell them though that...

"This is a dream, you know that, right?"

He jus laughed, gave me a warm smile, and said;

"I knew that before you did."

I felt a bit confused by then

Originally Posted by Zezarict

I don't remember but it was pretty threatening and they had a gun, but I did too so they didn't get a chance to shoot...

Ha nice

Originally Posted by Balder

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Morpheus: Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

This probably refers to the allegory of the cave. Let's take the opposite way of the quote. How can you tell if the 'real' world isn't just some higher entity's 'dream' or 'matrix' or w/e. That you would be his DC and not realize it. And THEN what would you think if you got into the entity's world? Is it possible that 'the living' have crossed that line a couple of times throughout history already? What was it like before? Maybe can we refer to the animal and human difference? Intelligence, thinking. Were these the tools humans used to cross the line between animal and human? What's next?

An example would be really simple but somewhat hard to imagine, although it doesn't make it impossible: Maybe our universe is only but a small lab test gone wrong (or right!) in another dimension. Maybe even the test didn't last long (if an comparison is possible) and is of course on-going!! I've always been intrigued by that possibility. Everything is so fragile. Kinda like that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa (or Bart, I forgot) has a whole world developing on a removed tooth.

Oh well, back to studying.

Mine don't seem to be that lucid themselves usually. When I tell them that they aren't real (or that this is all a dream) they typically just continue their regular conversations, which in retrospect are semi intelligible at best. Every once in while I do get a surprising or insightful response.

It's strange if you think of the dynamic that is going on when you do this. It's like having direct access to your own subconscious mind, and being able to flat out talk with it. This is what I have found to be the most intriguing and valuable aspect of chatting with DCs.

Originally Posted by EspadaInMyCloset

Well actually, I never told a dream character that they weren't real. I did tell them though that...

"This is a dream, you know that, right?"

He jus laughed, gave me a warm smile, and said;

"I knew that before you did."

I felt a bit confused by then

I love it when my dream characters are like that.

My dream characters know they're in a dream, but believe the dream is continuous--they think they won't disappear ("die") when I wake up. Of course, most of my intelligent dream characters are reoccurring (some with effort on my part, and some spontaneously). They're virtually immortal, and are fine with that.

Take a crowd, though, a crowd of dream characters you don't know and can't commit to memory. Admit that you can't bring each and every one of them back, but only a general essence of what the crowd was. See how they'd react.

Mine just give me funny looks or deny their unreality. I think I had this thread in mind this morning when I LD'ed, and I ended up telling a couple of dream characters - my dad and this 40-something woman who doesn't exist in real life - that they were not real, and they just gave me funny looks.