Thread: never waking up from lucid dream

Nope. Not possible. A lucid dream is still just a dream, and your REM periods only last up to about an hour. When REM ends, the dream ends. And when you wake up the dream also ends. An alarm will wake you, even though sometimes people turn it off and go right back to sleep and then forget they ever woke up.

I agree with darkmatters, you can't dream forever.
But I think that peaple that are in comas, who are always unconscience might be able to dream for a very long time.
Also a dram can only last about 60 min max but the dream could not be in real time and so 60 min could be 60 hours.

Thanks for answers... than I guess my worries was unnecessary

Yeah. Impossible.

As Darkmatters said I often turn off my alarm go to sleep and I honestly don't know if it doesn't turn on or if I just forget.

Well, when you're in a coma its like you're 'dreaming' forever until you awake! But if you're just fearing that you might not awake from a lucid dream then I believe you have nothing to worry about. You will always wake up and never get stuck inside one forever. Though it might not be so bad if you ask me

I don't believe you can freeze time as some people say. They have already shown that your eye movements follow those of your dream character. This is how Steven LaBerge proved lucid dreaming as a scientific fact. So in this sense, the events occur in real time. Even if you believe your astral body is what is used to participate in dreams, it is still attached to your physical body so kind of complicated to imagine that body are in different time dimensions at the same time. I think if this were true the body would likely be in a coma like state or alternatively moving VERY rapidly in response to stimuli since time would be moving at two different rates.

The reality of it is that you will be awaken when your sleep cycle ends. There are cases where you can damage your sleep cycle and suffer prolonged periods of sleep in which you dream, but this is usually the effect of drugs and once your body starts suffering from the inevitable physical trauma or has any biological need it will force you to wake up. I have heard of people who go into coma's when sleeping, but I can safely assure you that is not because they are dreaming, Its a physiological problem.

To sum that up: No you will always wake up under normal health conditions.

Originally Posted by snumbers

I agree with darkmatters, you can't dream forever.
But I think that peaple that are in comas, who are always unconscience might be able to dream for a very long time.
Also a dram can only last about 60 min max but the dream could not be in real time and so 60 min could be 60 hours.

So, if you were in a coma and dreaming the entire time.... A month or two could seem like an eternity, perhaps.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Nope. Not possible. A lucid dream is still just a dream, and your REM periods only last up to about an hour. When REM ends, the dream ends. And when you wake up the dream also ends. An alarm will wake you, even though sometimes people turn it off and go right back to sleep and then forget they ever woke up.

Not according to Aquanina and Naiya. They both claim to have had LDs for more than 2 hours. Since it's possible to have lucid dreams in NREM too I guess it's not impossible. However, Aquanina told me that her lucids remained the same quality throughout the whole dream.

The questions that arises is: Is it possible to extend your REM periods while being lucid?

Originally Posted by XeL

Not according to Aquanina and Naiya. They both claim to have had LDs for more than 2 hours. Since it's possible to have lucid dreams in NREM too I guess it's not impossible. However, Aquanina told me that her lucids remained the same quality throughout the whole dream.

The questions that arises is: Is it possible to extend your REM periods while being lucid?

First of all it's impossible to know how long your dreams was. I always find that annoying when people claim their dreams was certainly a specific length of time. Second, you can have REM periods longer than one hour. It's called REM rebound. Also simply sleeping in really late will allow you to have long REM period. I have had what I thought were two hour lucids, but no one can say for sure. There are numerous studies of how long we stay in REM. So should you believe actual machines or some persons opinion from a time warped environment with no sense of time. To say you can extend it is nonsense. Brain chemistry will override your will to stay in a dream. If you want more REM and wake up, just keep going back to sleep. Eventually your body will have enough. Some people sleep 12 hours, so to say they have the exact amount of REM as when sleep 8 hours is probably not accurate. This and REM rebound is where you get really long REM periods from.

It's not impossible if you clock yourself, which they've done. If you WILD it can be quite easy to keep track of time actually. Sleeping in really late wont give you REM periods of +2-3 hours, neither will REM rebound.

I didn't believe it at first either, but seeing as they are both very experienced LDers I wouldn't count it out entirely.

Originally Posted by XeL

It's not impossible if you clock yourself, which they've done. If you WILD it can be quite easy to keep track of time actually. Sleeping in really late wont give you REM periods of +2-3 hours, neither will REM rebound.

I didn't believe it at first either, but seeing as they are both very experienced LDers I wouldn't count it out entirely.

You are greatly ill informed. REM DOES REBOUND. It's a scientific fact. The opinion of people on this forum however is not fact. Look up REM rebound. Anytime you are deprived of REM if will rebound the next day or whenever the suppression factor is removed.

When did I state that REM doesn't rebound? I'm very much aware of what REM rebound is. I'm not talking about the total REM time of one night. I'm talking about the time you spend in ONE REM period.

Would you please be so kind to link me to a credible site that says that REM rebound can make ONE of your REM periods last for 2-3 hours without the help of lucidity.

percieved time in a dream is different than timein real life. i have had many dreams where i was only asleep 2 to 4 hours and they felt like days passed. those were non lucid dreams. but as to dreams lasting forever, not possible as the rest of u said.

Are you guys even reading through my posts? Aquanina told me that she clocked herself. It's not about perception if you have a fucking watch next to your bed. Wow.

Originally Posted by XeL

Are you guys even reading through my posts? Aquanina told me that she clocked herself. It's not about perception if you have a fucking watch next to your bed. Wow.

it's perception. when you really sleep and don't wild, time is different in your dream. thats why even if you don't remember your dreams, 8 hours seems to pass very quickly. in less than 8 hours actually. cussing at people doesn't prove your right

Originally Posted by XeL

Are you guys even reading through my posts? Aquanina told me that she clocked herself. It's not about perception if you have a fucking watch next to your bed. Wow.

Funny that you think some person can lengthen a REM period by will alone yet can't conceive someone could "biologically" have a longer than normal REM period. REM rebound can increase "both" the frequency and duration of REM. Even if you did wake up, you could go right back into REM if you sleep long enough. I have done this a million times.

Originally Posted by pdiddles03

it's perception. when you really sleep and don't wild, time is different in your dream. thats why even if you don't remember your dreams, 8 hours seems to pass very quickly. in less than 8 hours actually. cussing at people doesn't prove your right

Are you even reading what he's saying? He's saying that when you look at the clock before dreaming, and look at the clock after dreaming, you can be damn sure how long has passed.

Originally Posted by kingofhypocrites

Funny that you think some person can lengthen a REM period by will alone yet can't conceive someone could "biologically" have a longer than normal REM period. REM rebound can increase "both" the frequency and duration of REM. Even if you did wake up, you could go right back into REM if you sleep long enough. I have done this a million times.

When did I state that REM doesn't rebound? I'm very much aware of what REM rebound is. I'm not talking about the total REM time of one night. I'm talking about the time you spend in ONE REM period.

Would you please be so kind to link me to a credible site that says that REM rebound can make ONE of your REM periods last for 2-3 hours without the help of lucidity.

Once again, I have not personally experienced this but as I said earlier. Naiya and Aquanina are both very experienced LDers and I take their word for it.

actually as we speak, im stuck in a lucid dream

Originally Posted by XeL

When did I state that REM doesn't rebound? I'm very much aware of what REM rebound is. I'm not talking about the total REM time of one night. I'm talking about the time you spend in ONE REM period.

Would you please be so kind to link me to a credible site that says that REM rebound can make ONE of your REM periods last for 2-3 hours without the help of lucidity.

Once again, I have not personally experienced this but as I said earlier. Naiya and Aquanina are both very experienced LDers and I take their word for it.

Steven Laberge scientifically studied lucidity and is a master by any account. He stated they there was no evidence that people could sustain unnaturally long periods of REM through lucid dreaming. If someone is able to sustain a 4 hour REM period, they should be studied and could probably win a world record. Looking at a clock is not reliable. There is no way to know actually the moment you entered a lucid unless you can wild in like 2 mins and furthermore no way to know for sure you wake up directly after the dream ended or whether or not there were gaps inbetween your dreams with non-rem periods. It is very easy to have multiple dreams in one long dream sequence without realizing it. Just like there are people who claim they never fall asleep but once tested they find they microsleep and had absolutely no awareness they were even sleeping. I have personally watched an hour lapse while looking at a clock with no percepted lapse in time. I meditate and find time moves rates your conscious mind does not always perceive. To say find some study where someone had a long REM period without lucidity... lucidity is nothing magical sorry to tell you. I do think it's theoretically possible to lengthen a dream perhaps due to the fact that lucid dreaming is much like deep hypnosis (in regards to brainwave pattern), and in hypnosis one clearly has control over the biology over the body; although there is no evidence once can provide hypnotic suggestion within a lucid dream. You ask me for studies on where something is possible without lucid dreaming, show me ONE study where somone had a four hour lucid. I would love to see it. Once again, probably possible, but don't pretend looking at a clock is scientific evidence. Real science disproves peoples "perceptions" of the truth all the time.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Are you even reading what he's saying? He's saying that when you look at the clock before dreaming, and look at the clock after dreaming, you can be damn sure how long has passed.

Not really, if I tried the same experiment then I couldn't time the exact time I was in a dream because when I go to sleep it sometimes seems as if only a few seconds have passed when in reality it could be an hour and I have had no dreams in that time, I have no memory of being asleep and would swear that I had not been asleep if the clock was not telling a different time. This could come before you dream or after without you realising.

Originally Posted by Dying Dignity

Not really, if I tried the same experiment then I couldn't time the exact time I was in a dream because when I go to sleep it sometimes seems as if only a few seconds have passed when in reality it could be an hour and I have had no dreams in that time, I have no memory of being asleep and would swear that I had not been asleep if the clock was not telling a different time. This could come before you dream or after without you realising.

Yes! Exactly. Thank you.

Originally Posted by XeL

Not according to Aquanina and Naiya. They both claim to have had LDs for more than 2 hours. Since it's possible to have lucid dreams in NREM too I guess it's not impossible. However, Aquanina told me that her lucids remained the same quality throughout the whole dream.

The questions that arises is: Is it possible to extend your REM periods while being lucid?

Personally, without REM rebound, I don't see that happening. Now I do think its possible that you could become lucid at the start of ~1hr REM and maybe then stay lucid within an NREM, but, since I haven't experienced this yet, I can't comment any further. I have once had a dream which I think took place in NREM. To put it plainly, the dream had somewhat grainy quality as you see in some films and came to a frightning end(I caused that ending myself by thinking its gonna happen )