Thread: DILD - Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

Thank you Gab - I have been reading through lots of stuff over the last weeks and finaly think I am going to settle down with your steps under How 1-9 etc above. Every day :happyme

I REALY liked what you said about talking out loud too as in one LD I spoke to a dream character and managed to say I Am dreaming a cupple of times and I sounded like I was far away under water! So working on it in day time seems an excellent idea
Happy dreaming and oh yes the thread on dream guides you mentioned is amazing and very inspiring for all I think

I noticed in the tutorial, that you repeat a mantra alongside you RC's, then say the same mantra as you go to sleep. So is it basically seeding your dream with the mantra? I mean, in the dream, will something happen that relates to your mantra, thus reminding you to RC? just asking.

I've been trying to have a lucid dream using this technique but I haven't had much luck. The last time it worked for me was a few weeks ago and I've been trying ever since. Anyone have any advice?

^^ You might start by keeping in mind that DILD is not a technique

DILD is the name for the transition to lucidity; the moment you are using techniques to induce. DILD = Dream Initiated* Lucid Dream, which means that you become lucid during the dream. You can choose or combine any number of techniques to achieve DILD's, but you would probably do well to learn about MILD, as it is the technique for DILD that covers all the bases.

Also, DILD depends very much on expectation/intention, so be sure to keep up on your daywork, like doing RC's and keeping a dream journal.

*[Just as an aside, the title of this thread is incorrect: the "I" in DILD does indeed stand for "Initiated," and not "Induced." There is no induction going on in a DILD; any induction would have happened before the DILD transition, in order to make it happen. ]

Thank you Sageous
So could you say something about the main points below and if they are the main points for Dild - please spread light

Reality checks on awakening

Critical questioning in day time combined with RC - through out the day
Awareness combined within the Questioning and RC

Awareness in general throughout ones life " where are you?" " How did you get there?" " Is anything strange going on, out of the ordinary?"

If out of the ordinary thing happen do the above check + RC

Combine the reality check with the firm purposeful feeling/statement that tonight/next time I am dreaming I will recognise the dream state

Before bed spend some time being clear that tonight " I will recognise I am dreaming"

Could you also say more about how DDA is implemented for Dild? Much appreciated

I don't have much time, but below are some quick answers/confirmations of your main points of DILD:

Originally Posted by Patience108

Reality checks on awakening

Not critical or a main point, but definitely a good idea; especially if you are often experiencing false awakenings.

Critical questioning in day time combined with RC - through out the day
Awareness combined within the Questioning and RC

Definitely a main point, but I recommend that you keep your RC's simple and separate from any awareness exercises or critical questioning. In other words, first simply answer the question, "Is this a dream," and then do the critical questioning (or perhaps imagining that the world you are in is a dream).

Awareness in general throughout ones life " where are you?" " How did you get there?" " Is anything strange going on, out of the ordinary?"

Excellent idea for DILD or pretty much anything. I humbly suggest that you look at the "Reverse Reality Check (RRC)" that I mention in my WILD class here... and don't worry; the RRC works just fine for DILD too!

[Full disclosure: that mention of the RRC was the first time I did so, and the RRC concept was refined a bit as the years -- and helpful questions from other dreamers -- went by; if you're feeling intrepid you can look through the WILD Q&A and Lucid Dreaming Fundamentals Q&A for updated info.]

If out of the ordinary thing happen do the above check + RC

This never worked for me, so I cannot honestly say it is a main point for DILD, but it is probably worth doing. Why didn't it work for me? Because when you are not lucid, everything is totally normal. Also, when not lucid you run the excellent chance of dreaming something is odd and then doing a RC that confirms that you are not dreaming.

Combine the reality check with the firm purposeful feeling/statement that tonight/next time I am dreaming I will recognize the dream state

Again, I would keep this affirmation exercise separate from the RC -- do it after your RC, or at another time altogether. That said, you should be doing this anyway, especially just before going to sleep (aka: setting intention). Also very much a main point for DILD.

Before bed spend some time being clear that tonight " I will recognize I am dreaming"

Setting intention is definitely a main point of DILD (and WILD).

Could you also say more about how DDA is implemented for Dild?

I cannot, because I have no idea for what DDA stands. I hope that doesn't damage my credibility, but I'm an old guy who doesn't necessarily keep up on all the acronyms.

That's what I got; sorry so short...

Thanks I'll keep that in mind!

Thanks Sageous - Being a newbie so this helps a lot in shedding light over at least getting a bare bones of a practice going and sticking to it for a bit. - so I see you have stressed the main point in Dild and Wild is to " setting ones intention"

The critical question or questions I suppose helps one to set ones intention? Could it be said that questioning reality is the main part of setting intention?

I will try to do the RC first then look around and question my reality

or as you say maybe at a completely different time - that helps to mix it up through out the day - for example quick reality checks can be done and at other times critical questioning can be done.

Do you think to engage as much as poss in the general mood of questioning reality helps more that RC?

I am realy glad you posted and mention the Wild classes coz I am getting round to coming over soon
I have been going through the Tuorials and doing my best not to just jump to wild as it is very intriguing to me indeed but this is a great opportunity to see similaritys in Dild and Wild

DDA is I think - day dream awareness - you did mention above ; when engaging in the critical question to perhaps imagine the world you are in is a dream - can you elaborate on this point perhaps in unison with the idea of daydream awareness or however you would go with that method of imagining/daydreaming - thanks for your time

Originally Posted by Patience108

The critical question or questions I suppose helps one to set ones intention? Could it be said that questioning reality is the main part of setting intention?

No, questioning reality is not the same as setting intention. Setting intention is an act of clear, simple affirmation done just before you go to sleep, helping to get your head in the right place for lucidity, and perhaps setting up a bit of prospective memory come dreamtime. Though daytime work that includes questioning reality might aid in building expectation, just because your thoughts are on dreaming, it really has nothing to do with setting intention.

I will try to do the RC first then look around and question my reality

or as you say maybe at a completely different time - that helps to mix it up through out the day - for example quick reality checks can be done and at other times critical questioning can be done.

Do you think to engage as much as poss in the general mood of questioning reality helps more that RC?

All this leads me to one thought: questioning reality is a fine thing to do, but it should not be the only thing you do. To me, that critical question should always have an answer. In other words, when doing your critical questioning you are asking things like: why this place you are in is reality, what would be needed if it were a dream, or perhaps what is dreamlike about the reality through which you are currently wandering. Asking if your waking-life surroundings are not real seems unhelpful to me because you already know the answer:

I have always had a problem with questioning reality during waking-life, because in the end, unless you have some psychological issues or deeply held religious beliefs (say, Buddhist or Hindu), you will always know, innately, that the place you are in is reality, no matter how intricately you ask the questions. Also, come dreamtime, questioning reality during a NLD works exactly as it would in waking-life: you will innately know that the dreamworld you are navigating is real, because you can't remember otherwise. In a sense, questioning reality during a NLD has just as good if not a better likelihood of confirming that you are not dreaming.

What I would suggest instead (or in addition) is questioning the nature of your participation in reality: What is your transaction with your current local reality? What were you doing a few minutes ago? Where will you be in a few minutes? These things establish and strengthen your link with reality, and your self-awareness in the process. If during a NLD you make questions like this, there is a chance (if small) that you will pull in some self-awareness in the process, remember that you did not know where you were a few minutes ago, and become lucid. Plus, if these questions are asked during a LD, your self-awareness and appreciation of the dream being a part of you will increase dramatically, making your lucid experience much more fulfilling.

In brief: You really cannot sanely question reality without knowing the answer before your questions are asked. I would suggest that you ask also (or instead) questions about your participation in reality, or perhaps what aspects of your local reality are dream-like. Or just do a RRC.

DDA is I think - day dream awareness - you did mention above ; when engaging in the critical question to perhaps imagine the world you are in is a dream - can you elaborate on this point perhaps in unison with the idea of daydream awareness or however you would go with that method of imagining/daydreaming - thanks for your time

Ah! I didn't know that had an acronym!

I think I already just answered this, but I would make DDA secondary to developing the fundamentals. DDA is a fine exercise, and does help build expectation, but it is, again, just an exercise: you can only imagine that the world you are in is a dream, and you will do so with the full knowledge that your surroundings are quite real. In other words, no matter how elaborate your imaginings may be, you will still know that all this around you is reality, and you will find yourself shrugging off as unreal (or perhaps a little silly) those imaginings.

Again, when you are not lucid the world you are in is just as real to you as reality, so if you find yourself doing this exercise during a NLD you will likely do it in the same way as waking-life, by knowing that you are just imagining that your surroundings are a dream, but they are not.

So: Aside from being a good way to keep your mind on dreaming, building expectations, and perhaps giving you a better perspective of the dream after you are lucid (imagining that your dreamworld is a dream while lucid can yield some excellent results, including greater control and stronger lucidity), questioning reality should not be the sole aspect of your daytime LD work.

I personally believe that daydreams are very different from actual dreams, primarily because you are directly connected to waking-life throughout them: you can snap out of a daydream any time you want (like when the teacher or your boss ask you a question), and the imagery of daydreams tends to spring not from your unconscious building schemata but from your waking-life consciousness summoning things you intentionally wish to think about (that imagery tends to be much more linear as well). Imagining that your world is a dream is very different from a daydream, I think, because daydreams tend to reside in the realm of (intentional) fantasy while imagining the world as a dream is an intellectual exercise wherein you critically examine your surroundings or objects in them and try to redefine them as aspects of dream.

If I implied that daydreaming was the same as any of the stuff I mentioned above, it was not intended. However, this is just my opinion: as this is not my thread, others here might have a different take that is more relevant to the overall conversation here... perhaps daydreaming was discussed in a different context?

Thank you kindly sageous,
I feel what you have given me here is something to think about - not sure if I will get it all right away but I do wish to take a whole hearted look at it

I read RRC ( and will read it a few more times !) and must say I am hooked so I am starting with it today.

You mentioned above about questioning your participation in reality as the main point to questioning in your view - as I was doing that today I could get a feeling of the connected ness of us all etc and I suppose in away this view is dreamlike in itself... - so bringing about this truth is in itself pondering the dream state and keeping ones mind on the topic at hand - is that how the it works?

You don't see it as an exercise you see it as the way things are naturally right? It maybe too soon for questions as I will read through the questions and answers etc - and get back to you on that thread.
In your view is the RRC everything, if done as you intend it to be done? I mean in terms of the main daily practice.

DDA wasn't being discussed here at this point as far as I know but I have been reading through the different Practices involved with Dild - and had reached that one - as far as I can see from a complete beginners view it's as you say very much involved with strengthening the LD as well as possibly giving one a chance to recognise the Day dreamed topic in the nld and becoming Lucid -

"Just keep on daydreaming as you fall asleep. You can daydream about anything you want, but it is best to daydream about experiencing a lucid dream. Try not to let your mind become too absorbed by the daydream. You want to remind yourself every 10 seconds or so that you are dreaming. You want to be constantly aware that you're dreaming so that you will be aware and lucid in the real dream. Eventually you will drift off to sleep and into a real dream. Your dream will likely have some of the elements of your daydream and you will hopefully become lucid." It is advised to practice like this sometimes throughout the day too.

Thanks again

Originally Posted by Patience108

You mentioned above about questioning your participation in reality as the main point to questioning in your view - as I was doing that today I could get a feeling of the connectedness of us all etc and I suppose in away this view is dreamlike in itself... - so bringing about this truth is in itself pondering the dream state and keeping ones mind on the topic at hand - is that how the it works?

Pretty much. I think the ultimate purpose of the RRC is to solidify your relationship with your local "reality" during the dream, to help you more easily understand and accept while lucid that everything in the dreamworld you are navigating is you: If you can have a RRC mindset during a dream -- one of wondering about your interaction with your local reality, and remembering where you were, are, and will be -- then you will also more easily know without question that the entire world you are navigating is of your own creation, your own mind, thus blending the identity of you the self-aware dreamer with You the dream creator in a non-dual manner... so yes, this view is very dreamlike in itself, potentially.

Be careful when RRC'ing not to get too universal, though: Wonder less about with your connectedness with everyone than about your connectedness with people you are directly interacting with within the time-frame of your RRC (if any). If you start thinking about the "connectedness of us all," then you run the risk of diminishing your perceived contribution to your local reality. From there you start to feel that you are just a small part of this great universe. This is not helpful come dreamtime, because then it becomes more difficult to accept that the entire universe with which you are interacting is being created by you. So keep your RRC's local (this might not have been clear in the first post of the Fundamentals thread, but it gets straightened up in the Q&A that follows).

You don't see it as an exercise you see it as the way things are naturally right?

Sure.

It maybe too soon for questions as I will read through the questions and answers etc - and get back to you on that thread.

It probably would be best to get back to me on that thread, so we don't screw up the integrity of this one (though RRC's work just fine for DILD, I think).

In your view is the RRC everything, if done as you intend it to be done? I mean in terms of the main daily practice.

No, the RRC is only one part of daytime dreamwork. You still should be doing things like regular RC's, working on accessing your memory, keeping a DJ, building expectation with thoughts of dreaming or plans for nocturnal adventures... there is much to be done to get our head in the right place for consistent LDing; I doubt there is one technique that would cover all the mental prep.

You said before that you were old - are you over 100?

Sometimes it feels that way!

Would you say that DILD works if you can't remember any dreams you have?

I've started doing reality checks since yesterday, and I understand that I won't start becoming lucid right off the bat. I have a mantra and my own RC (Humming a tune and tapping the back of my left hand with my right index finger according to the beat. If I fail this, I will know I'm dreaming), but the only thing that concerned me is that I never remember any dreams I have.

Is this not a problem or should I try another method?

Although recall of lucid dreams (especially as your lucidity skills improve) often tends to be much less of a problem than normal dreams (I've had nights of good lucid dream recall yet virtually no non-lucid dream recall), I still think working on dream recall (by keeping a dream journal, etc.) is still important. Lower-level lucids and semilucids and the non-lucid portions of fully lucid dreams can still be difficult to remember when your dream recall isn't optimal (at least, it seems that way for me). Also, being able to remember non-lucid dreams gives you the opportunity to become familiar with their themes and content and possibly find common patterns and events, which can help you realize you're dreaming during later dreams. Oh yeah, and even non-lucid dreams can be fascinating and fun-filled.

Originally Posted by RisingSerperior

Would you say that DILD works if you can't remember any dreams you have?

I've started doing reality checks since yesterday, and I understand that I won't start becoming lucid right off the bat. I have a mantra and my own RC (Humming a tune and tapping the back of my left hand with my right index finger according to the beat. If I fail this, I will know I'm dreaming), but the only thing that concerned me is that I never remember any dreams I have.

Is this not a problem or should I try another method?

1. You can get a lucid dream on day one. Don't think it will take a long time. It might, but it also might not.

2. Why do you feel that RC would fail in a dream? I sing like Pavarotti in my dreams, yet can't carry a tune in waking life. In your dream, what you expect to happen is what will happen.

If you want to keep your RC, that's fine. But I would add a classic one, like looking at hands/counting fingers, thumb/palm, nose pinch.

3. Start a dream journal. Write down everything you remember, even if it's just a tiny detail. If you don't remember anything, write something like "my memory is great and recall getting better every day". Then start thinking about your dreams and remembering them. Set an intent to remember them. Use mantra, like "I wake up after every dream and I remember it". Know that we naturally wake up between sleep cycles, after REM is over. We just don't notice these microawakenings, because we never before cared for our dreams or sleep in general.

4. Lucid dreams are more like daytime events than dreams. Because they happen while we have access to our daytime memory part of the brain. So they are much easier to remember than non lucids. Just make sure if you wake up from a lucid dream, you get up to write it down. If you decide to sleep some more thinking you will remember it in the morning, don't rely on that.

5. Once you practiced one method, it's ok to start practicing for another one. To give yourself better chance to have LD. Since they all happen at different times, they will not clash.

Good luck and happy dreams!

Hi, today im getting dream.. But i feel like im realizing that im dreaming. Im asked myself like "this is dream isn't"
But then in the moment when i tried to gain more conscious. I feel like my head was pressed by something that make me awake from sleeping. Is this normal case for doing dild ?

Sorry bad english

Originally Posted by Legotionz

Hi, today im getting dream.. But i feel like im realizing that im dreaming. Im asked myself like "this is dream isn't"
But then in the moment when i tried to gain more conscious. I feel like my head was pressed by something that make me awake from sleeping. Is this normal case for doing dild ?

No, that sounds like something that will never happen again. Good luck with your next one. Happy dreams

Originally Posted by gab

No, that sounds like something that will never happen again. Good luck with your next one. Happy dreams

Thank you for reply!
This is my first time for realizing im dreaming.. So i feel very exited for that sensation.
I tried many times wild,finger and no result but dild.

Okay, yesterday I had a very weird dream (PLEASE READ HERE: This maybe could be my first Lucid-ish dream - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views ) and I was wondering if this was lucid or just my brain attempting to derail me. As it says in my DJ, I remember saying to myself "So this is a lucid dream?" the thing is I was unable to move my legs or my head in my dream, only my arms... Could it be my brain just want's nothing to do with Lucid Dreams or just isn't made for them?

Originally Posted by GreenSynergy

... Could it be my brain just want's nothing to do with Lucid Dreams or just isn't made for them?

On the contrary! I think your brain was being a real team-player to show you that it wants something to do with lucid dreams (and might even be made for them), but all it could do was help you with a dose of very low-level lucidity, perhaps as a hint that the door is always open to lucidity for you, just as soon as you are able to learn to effectively summon the waking-life self-awareness necessary to really know you are dreaming and are free, finally to move about your dreamworld easily.

tl;dr: Yes, this was a LD, but a very low level one... congratulations!

Learning to effectively summon the waking life self awareness in to the dream state is really key hay Sageouse...Could you please make a wee step by step on that one for us to ponder just now? Thanks as always

I am guessing one learns to be self aware in waking life first then one summons it or is it in the dream state right But a few pointers from old mans experience is always benificial ..

^^ Unfortunately, Patience, this old man really has no step-by-step technique for drawing in self-awareness during a dream, as I am one of those who fall into the "I simply know I am dreaming" school of DILD. But that's not fair at all, is it? So:

As you already mentioned, the real key to DILD success does not take place through techniques done during the dream (i.e., I have found that RC's only tend to work after you suspect you are dreaming; they don't make you lucid).

Instead, it's the daywork that prepares your mind to be interested in being lucid during the dream. I would suggest doing things like: Learning MILD (great for WILD, too); spending much time during the day thinking about being lucid or imagining the world around you is a dream; thinking about what you will do when you realize you are dreaming; and, above all, work very hard on building your self-awareness:

If you have ready access to self-awareness, lucidity is much easier to achieve during the dream. There are lots of exercises for developing self-awareness; I personally use a thing I've lamely called a Reverse Reality Check (RRC), which can be very helpful to establish your self in the moment, and to remember that there is a "You" present in reality, a You that is interacting with it at all times. I talk about it a bit more specifically in the first session of my DVA WILD class, if you are interested. And, of course, do your RC's, because doing them during the day really does help.

In the end, successful DILDs come not from neat tricks or techniques, but from having your mind in the right place for LD'ing when you go to sleep. You simply must be ready to LD, and you will.

I notice that electronics never work in my dreams, yet I can't ever seem to realize that I am dreaming, no matter how absurd the scenario is.

Do you RC? http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...hecks-rcs.html

Things, even crazy ones, normally don't get us lucid. What gets us lucid is our mindset that we are dreaming. No matter what the situation.

I wrote a little article on how to interact with your dream signs and use them to prompt lucidity in your dreams,

Lesson 6: Dream Signs
Posted on January 30, 2016 by admin
In the dreamworld, recognizing dream signs is a very important aspect to prompt lucidity. To teach you to better understand your dream signs we’ll make use of the DILD method (Dream Induced Lucid Dream). A dream induced lucid dream is any dream in which you spontaneously become lucid, for example by walking in to a strange room you’ve never been in before.

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As there are quiet a lot of different types of dream induced lucid dreams, you can spend many hours reading about this specific technique, I’ll be focussing on dream signs causing you to spontaneously become lucid.

What actually are dream signs? Well a dream sign is anything that’ll make you question your reality or anything that proofs you’re dreaming. For example, you’re having a conversation with your pet while dreaming, in reality this is simply impossible, so the talking animal would be a dream sign in this case. To succesfully have a dream induced lucid dream caused by dream signs, you’ll need to achieve a better awareness. You’ll achieve this by regularly peroforming reality checks troughout the day and during these RC’s you can search for dream signs, obviously you won’t find any, but don’t take that for granted. We can categorize dream signs into 4 subtopics;

Inner awareness: You respond different as you normally would, you experience things different and there’s something unusual about your emotions.
Actions: Physical activity doesn’t work the way it ussualy does, actions you or someone else tries to perform won’t have the same outcome as in waking life
Form: The shape or appearance of someone, or an object is unusual. For example if you look in the mirror and your face is smaller.
Situation: The situation or action you’re undergoing is simply impossible in waking life.
I like to mark the parts that could’ve served as a dream sign to ignite my lucidity in my dream journal. This way I’m more involved with my dream signs and I get to know my genre of dream signs.

To have a dream induced lucid dream I recommend you to have a alarm clock wake you up about 90 minutes before you normally would get up, this way you’ll have more vivid dreams and that will make it easier for you to spontaneously become lucid caused by a dream sign that occurred. Good luck, sleep tight!

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