Thread: WILD - Wake Initiated Lucid Dream

Originally Posted by sivason

Hi Ksero, check out this link, http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html

It will explain the whole issue, without distracting from the new tutorial.

Thanks, It seems I'm just part of the population who actually does experience Sleep Paralysis frequently, and it seems to be something I go through in all my attempts to wild, the anxiety was bad at first, but after realizing I was basically one step away from a lucid dream I'm completely over it now, I have seen "demons" screaming at me from an inch away from my face, while in a calm state of mind. Again, thanks for clearing up the confusion with the terms.

Originally Posted by Ksero

I have seen "demons" screaming at me from an inch away from my face, while in a calm state of mind.

LOL I have so been there too man! Creepy stuff..

I'm one of those folks who get vibrations usually just before a WILD, but not usually SP. Though the few times I did encounter SP, it usually accompanied scary presences. Anyway, sorry if we made it out like we hate SP. SP itself is not the culprit, just like the vibrations. We were just trying to get folks to not give up on WILDing just because they might not reach SP, or vibrations. Since everyone's transitions vary from one another, we were hoping to shed light on the fact that you *might* go through this, or that, but it's ok if you don't. That plus not to be scared of those transitions if you DO have them. When I was a kid, those vibrations scared the piss out of me lol. But yeah, sivason already cleared that up with the link. I sincerely hope this section helps members WILD easier and without fear or misconceptions.

^^ Nicely said, OpheliaBlue, but is there a non sequitur here?

Aren't the DV dream guides currently trying to say that SP is an actual medical condition suffered by a very small segment of the population, and the "SP" that WILDer's (erroneously) try to "get to" is not SP at all, but simply their witnessing of REM Atonia or just a bit more hypnagogia?

Normally I wouldn't ask, what with this place pretty much being your show and all, but the contradiction could potentially confuse, I think, and your authority as a god of DV only compounds the confusion.

I won't mind if you delete this post because I went to far, BTW; I'm not proud.

If a person does have SP as a condition, then it is suppossed that they can possably use that condition to transition in WILD. The conclusion I came to after all our research was that SP can be involved in 'their' WILDs, but most of us will not ever have the issue come up.

Originally Posted by sivason

If a person does have SP as a condition, then it is suppossed that they can possably use that condition to transition in WILD. The conclusion I came to after all our research was that SP can be involved in 'their' WILDs, but most of us will not ever have the issue come up.

Being one of those people, and having plenty of experience going from SP to lucid dream, would it be a good idea for me to write a guide specifically on that aspect of it? something that can be kept separate from the WILD guide?

Originally Posted by Ksero

Being one of those people, and having plenty of experience going from SP to lucid dream, would it be a good idea for me to write a guide specifically on that aspect of it? something that can be kept separate from the WILD guide?

I am sure others have attempted guides like that, but making threads is fun. You can go to the 'Attaining Lucidty' section and start your own thread. Why not? have fun, and if you make a thread I will read it.

Originally Posted by Ksero

Being one of those people, and having plenty of experience going from SP to lucid dream, would it be a good idea for me to write a guide specifically on that aspect of it? something that can be kept separate from the WILD guide?

It's up to you, but there already are tutorials with SP. The SP is not the problem. Problem is, however, when a tutorial claims that a dreamer has to induce and experience SP in order to WILD. We know, that is not true.

So, there are tutorials with SP, our tutorial without SP and SP explained article to bridge it all.

To clarify, we are talking about Sleep paralysis, not vibrations and other HH, that are normal signs of falling asleep.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Nicely said, OpheliaBlue, bit is there a non sequitur here?

Aren't the DV dream guides currently trying to say that SP is an actual medical condition suffered by a very small segment of the population, and the "SP" that WILDer's (erroneously) try to "get to" is not SP at all, but simply their witnessing of REM Atonia or just a bit more hypnagogia?

Normally I wouldn't ask, what with this place pretty much being your show and all, but the contradiction could potentially confuse, I think, and your authority as a god of DV only compounds the confusion.

I won't mind if you delete this post because I went to far, BTW; I'm not proud.

You know Sageous, if it weren't for your teachings, through RareCola's recommendations, I might still be stumbling through those transitions, forever eluded by the subtleties that could have and would have guided me to WILDs. Because of you, I learned to "open my dream eyes" once I felt the vibrations reach their peak, and once I saw something form. A valuable lesson for me and I can't thank you enough for it!

That said, I'm not sure I understand the issue with SP the way you present it. Or perhaps I don't understand the issue in regards to how my team is presenting it. From MY perspective, it's the same as the vibrations phase: You might feel it, you might not, it's nothing to be scared of, but it's also not necessary to aim for. You haven't failed at progressing towards WILD if you didn't get to SP or vibrations. Everyone is so different. Which makes WILDs hard to teach here I know, I KNOW.

So, I'm honestly not sure if/when a dreamer is experiencing SP, or vibrations, or REM atonia, or HH just by reading their posts alone. I only know what I experience, and I hit it against other dreamers' experiences, hoping to find similarities that we can relate to to further increase the chance of LDs, but at the same time, not flooding their minds with scary, or elusive concepts that'll just cock block their attempts at lucid dreaming. It's a tricky balance, but it's something we can strive for together, and I promise to listen to what y'all have to say and put the best information out there before anything else.

^^ Thanks for the kind words, OpheliaBlue; they are appreciated!

Yeah, you're right; I got it wrong.

I think my fundamental problem with communicating about SP* is that I don't give a crap about it. I never did. No one should, I think. That, and it seems that any mention of SP, positive or negative, seems to serve to further solidify its fictitious import. So, when one of the DV Admins mentioned it, I thought a little noise on my part wouldn't hurt. And, because my communication about SP is hampered by not caring, I got that noise wrong.

Your clarification above proves there's no non sequitur after all; I should've known, I suppose. I guess my only lingering concern is that virtually any mention of SP seems to turn the conversation away from WILD, and LD'ing in general, and towards the apparently more exciting subject of SP -- it's like some sort of bizarre psyche-magnet. So, without reading your post closely enough, I decided that you seemed to be allowing the magnet to charge up again -- even after your people had done such a great job sapping energy from it. My bad.

On rereading that post, I humbly take back my words. Sorry!



* That is, of course, the popular version of SP as a step toward WILD, and not the actual medical affliction.