Thread: PILD - Pendelum induced lucid dream? A possible simple induction technique.

SUCCESS!

Haha, it worked! Heres from my DJ:
"Wait... This doesnt work out... Im dreaming!" i said.
It was so vivid. I got really happy it worked. I rubbed my hands a little, to get up the control, but nothing happened. And i tried spinning. Nothing. Then the nightmare i had before came back... and i woke up. Son of a bitch, but still success!
I tried the pendelum again, and it gave "Within a week". Then i made a new circle with lines, with saturday, sunday, monday or more far away. Gave a STRONG reading on Sunday. Yay!

//Zelzahim

Hmmm. So you use this technique to convince yourself that you will have a lucid dream, and your subconscious then works to make you have one? That makes sense, in a way. You'd have to believe that the pendulum really does predict when you will have a lucid dream, however, in order for it to work. Sort of in the same way that people may know that Ouija Boards don't really work, but through either superstition or the desire to believe, they believe that it does work and have power. An interesting concept, and I think a plausible way to convince yourself to be more aware during dreams. If the pendulum tells you "Friday," you will expect to have a lucid dream on Friday, and thus your chances of becoming lucid increase. Very interesting.

After reading this, I believe I may construct a similar device to yours; a paper wheel with a spinning arrow on it, with seven divided areas on the wheel, each labeled with a different day of the week. If I convince myself that the spinning wheel is undoubtedly true (in my subconscious, at least), I will trust in it's predictions and thus perhaps have a lucid dream on the night it tells. Thanks for the idea, I'd never considering using a sort of false prediction method to convince myself to have a lucid dream. Perhaps it will work. I'll post here if it does for me as well.

Yeah, you asks your sub C when you will have a LD, then placebo does the rest. Report back with your result
Hopefully, ill have a LD tonight. Atleast, that was what my sub c said.

//Zelzahim

Do you have to try it again on another day if the answer is "within a week or month?"

Well, instead of a spinning wheel I decided to make a six-sided paper die. On two of the sides are written "Tonight", two of the others say "Tomorrow", and the other two sides say "The Day After Tomorrow". I plan to roll this die once every three days to see what prediction it gives me for each three-day period (I thought this might make it easier to convince myself to lucid dream more often than if I simply had every day of the week and rolled it once a week). For extra subconscious convincing (and to give the die some mass), I filled the die with some folded up strips of paper, having written on them some elements that make a lucid dream and having written the words "Lucid Dream" on the inside of the die (cheesy, I know, but I decided if I was going to make a magical die I might as well put as much superstitious mumbojumbo into it as I could).

As it happened, I rolled "Tonight" last night, and went to bed semi-convinced that I would have a lucid dream. Unfortunately, I didn't, but I did recall three of the dreams that I had when I woke up this morning (I don't keep a dream journal, so usually I only remember one or no dreams at all when I wake up).

I think I probably would have had a much higher chance of getting a lucid dream if I had rolled a "Tomorrow" or "The Day After Tomorrow". If I had rolled one of those, I'd have a day or two to keep thinking about the prediction and convincing myself more and more that it would be true, as opposed to having only 15 minutes to absorb the prediction of a "Tonight".

I think if I get more used to the idea of the die and it rolls a "Tomorrow" the next time I give it a whirl, it may have a better chance of working. I won't know until I roll it a couple more times. If I can't get it to work on a reliable basis, perhaps this type of device simply can't help me if I haven't honed my reality-checking and awareness skills enough to LD regularly.

At the least, my device seems to augment my dream recall, so if inducing a lucid dream with it doesn't end up working, I may see how well a new one simply predicting when I will have really good memory will work.

Didnt have a LD, but i got a pretty obvious dream sign. I watched my clock, and it was all messed up with numbers all over it.
Im gonna do the pendelum, but im just starting school, so i dont know if it will work.

//Zelzahim

Yeah, it's hard to get into a good groove with this stuff if you're preoccupied with school or work.

For some strange reason, this works.

Did it for you? Please tell me!

I just had a vivid, but not lucid, dream with this technique.

I just tried this yesterday, and it worked (I guess?). I also made that circle, but instead of making the 4 outcomes "tomorrow", "the day after tomorrow" etc, I used the question "what will tonights lucid dream be about?" (because I'm just so impatient) with the 4 possible outcomes "sex", "philosophy", "adventure" and "exploring".
Did this about <1h before going to sleep, with the outcome "sex". What happened, however, was that I just had a normal dream where I eventually remembered to do an RC, so I pinched my nose and actually still managed to breathe through it. So I realized I was dreaming, but the problem was that as soon as this happened, I felt my real-life body sleeping and got kicked out of the dream (I didn't manage to do anything in the dream) and after waking up, immediately started to sleep again (I'm not sure about that though, it's just that I can't remember what happened afterwards).

As I never had an LD that lasted more than very few seconds and even of those had very few (in over 5 years that I know about this topic already) I would call that quite the success, though it might also be because I just picked up this topic like 3 days ago again (no, I haven't constantly been trying to LD for 5 years ).

I think I will try this again tonight, maybe with a different question and outcomes, but we'll see.

Awesome! Keep it going. This worked out the first time for my friend too.
Please keep us posted!

//Zelzahim

As you seem to know a bit about that topic: are there any ways to make myself more susceptible to self-hypnosis?

So I tried exactly the same experiment tonight, except that I didn't draw the circle again (+ I didn't write down the 4 outcomes which might have an impact too), and the outcome was "exploring". Unfortunately, nothing special happened. I can't remember any dreams, though I'm quite sure that I could remember 2 different dreams at some point when I was awake during the night/morning, must have forgotten them :/ (I woke up once because our cat came into my room meowing, which happens about once every night).
I will try again tonight, though I will modify the experiment a little bit. At least I will use another pendulum, since my subconscious doesn't really seem to associate headphones with lucid dreams lol.

I also have another two questions:
a) How much do you move your arm when you try to imprint the 4 movements into your subconscious, and how much when you move it unconsciously? For me it was very very little (about 1-3mm) for both cases.
b) As you come from Sweden, I guess your mother tongue's Swedish. Which language did you formulate the auto-suggestions in? The first time I did in English because almost everything I read about lucid dreaming is written in English, and the second time I did in Swiss German because that's my mother tongue. Obviously, the English one yielded better results, but that might also have been a coincidence.

I find this method pretty interesting, hopefully more people will try it out soon and post their results here

Tried again last night, had a very long and vivid (above usual) dream, and one very short after/during which I woke up. So no lucids tonight, though there certainly was some improvement in comparison to usual nights. So far the success rate is 33% for me (1 lucid in 3 nights).

(Btw, sorry for the double post, idk why that came out twice <.<)

Tried again, same results as the night before (a vivid dream, though not as much as the last one).

o pendulum, will i have a lucid dream tonight


"ask again later"
lol


i'll give this a try

Originally Posted by MidniteHazard

o pendulum, will i have a lucid dream tonight


"ask again later"
lol


i'll give this a try

Good luck!

This time, I can remember 3-4 vivid and also quite long dreams from last night (but still no stable lucid).

ok I just came across this thread and have a question...
I will try this tonight but I need a picture of what the pendulum should look like?

Tried again last night, but it was late already and I did a bit sloppy/hurriedly I guess. Can remember 2 long, vivid dreams from that night, no lucids though.

Wow, this looks cool. Something i'll try to break out of my dry spell i guess.

Tried again, but in conjunction with MILD, can remember 1 vivid dream. Worst night so far :/ The problem was that I couldn't fall asleep very well when I woke up...

EDIT: Ok forget that, I remembered 3 (maybe 4, I'm not sure) more dreams in the meantime, so it would be 4-5 dreams that night

holy.crap
tried this last night, and I've been having a dryspell, and this broke it
I remembered 3 dreams. and I had the longest and most vivid LD i have ever had.
thank you SO much

Smells like we could have a success? I will look into this.