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There are some that pose that SSILD is in fact just WBTB. WBTB can give results too, falling back to sleep quickly. The power of intention/expectation perhaps, or maybe there really is something to it. I know that SSILD for me unless I'm really careful to remain relaxed results in me being very very wide awake. So that says something about its WBTB efficacy. An activated brain is a brain that is way more likely to be lucid when dreaming, assuming you can sleep. |
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Hey, satsujin. For the slow cycles, I would probably attempt to do it "drifting off". You don't have to, but I think the purpose of the slow cycles is to get you into a relaxed state. |
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First off, thanks for your reply and your like AstralMango! A couple clarifications if you please though... |
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Last edited by satsujin; 04-29-2014 at 10:36 AM.
You are meant to drift off, yeah. Not too sure about drifting off in fast cycles; maybe that means you're too tired. I think 10-20 seconds is okay. You are trying to get into a trance-like state after all. Someone can correct if I'm wrong! |
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I should mention that when I say I tried the method the other way yesterday, I was talking about trying it while wide awake in the afternoon. When I tried it yesterday night after my WBTB I drifted off for a couple times for much longer. Only a couple times though, certainly not during each step. When I tried this with the prior method, I drifted off for about the same length of time but more frequently too. Is this ok? Also, I had trouble last night in the getting back to sleep stage. I had seen part of the South Park movie and the songs kept repeating in my head while I tried to doze off. No lucid dream either but this was only my first trial using this method. As long as you ok this method, I'd be willing to try for at least a month. |
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You tried it in the afternoon? How did that go? |
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Tried it in the afternoon just as a test to see if I could properly focus on the senses. Didn't try to go to sleep after that. And like I said, when I tried it at night I had trouble falling asleep prolly cos of all the chatter in my head. Is fpcusing on your breathing as a method to relax the mind a good idea after SSILD? I seem to recall CosmicIron saying that you shouldn't mix SSILD with other meditation techniques..... |
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I may be doing SSILD wrong or it just may not be for me. After all the experimentation I have tried, I have discovered the following: |
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Hmmm, there's probably a very good reason SSILD has not been working for me. I just noticed you need to wait 4 to 5 hours before trying it. After going to bed at 10:30, i usually get up once around 1:00am and again at 5:00am. I've always tried the method at 1:00am so now I'll wait for my second awakening before attempting it. Wish me luck... |
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^^ It all depends on the person. I wake up quickly: a bathroom visit and a quick voice journaling can be enough to wake me up almost fully. So any extra time spent out of bed runs a huge risk of being wake for potentially hours. So every person should tune the WBTB time so that they can still fall back to sleep relatively quickly. The entire point is to grab some awareness/wake up the brain a bit, and that could run from 30 seconds to 45 minutes, entirely dependent on the person. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
yeah for sure, I was just going on his paragraph and how he mentioned only being able to get 1-2 cycles in before passing out in his normal sleep position. figure if he stays up for a couple more minutes maybe that will buy him enough time to get the cycles in and then immediately pass out, which is ideal. |
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Not wanting to be rude but when you read the OP this method is the Holy Grail which allowed hundreds (thousands ?) of people to lucid dreams with some highly percentage rate. |
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Seems a pretty accurate assessment, Baron Creepyphoto. One of the problems is, SSILD seems to have some effect, but nobody knows why it works (I've had sporadic success, btw). With MILD you can kind of see why it works, but with SSILD it's all guesswork - unless we assume it's just a short and fancy way to do WBTB and nothing else. |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
I would like to argue that point. Ive tried 5 or 6 techniques now, and SSILD has been the only one to work for me. Again, i have no idea why it works but im guessing the idea of stimulating your senses before re-entering a dream keeps them stimulated in the dream which makes you more aware. Ive had several Lucid dreams with this method, and i think the only problem is getting the balance between falling asleep before completing any cycles and completing all the cycles but not falling back asleep. if I get that right, i would say ive had a 70% success rate with this method. |
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If that many people had success with that method there wouldn't be in every forums so many pages just to ask how to do it properly |
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I currently feel that this is the short answer: |
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I've noticed that the last few times I've tried it, SSILD has helped me to go "a level deeper," and closer to the transition. The key is remaining relaxed while doing it, especially the visuals stage, and on the body stage, imagining that it's not my waking body I'm feeling, but my dream body. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Isn't that the point of having a forum -- asking questions and get help? I'm not gonna argue whether it is more effective than other stuff, but there is no lack of recorded successful cases in this thread, on this forum, and all over the web. Saying "No one really succeed" is either the wrong observation or deliberate denial. |
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as you wish but I see more people asking for help because not succeeding than people saying it is as easy as you say it is and succeed |
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I've tried SSILD for the past two days and have gotten 6 FAs. I was only planning on using it to increase to overall awareness of my normal dreams so I would have a better chance of becoming lucid...but wasn't quite expecting this. I haven't successfully converted any of the six into a full blown lucid yet but I'll try again tonight. |
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Threads for techniques that don't work for a good sampling of people tend to die out and not have 800+ posts and 35 pages. The technique helps in some way for both DILDs and WILDs. I have seen many members here have success with it including myself. It is probably not for everyone though. |
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