Thread: Unusual Tips for SP & LD

Good points there meistersomnius I totally agree with you, however there is one important thing to keep in mind as well but that one is not always able to take care of.

If you got something stressful on your mind like a homework or a test the next day or anything else, the best thing is to take care of this before going to sleep.

But if it is not possible to take care of it one should either meditate and clear the mind like you said, or at least keep in mind that if something doesn't go as one wants, you should not blame yourself.

If you do something about right away the worry and stress is almost completely gone and will probably not dusturb you, however if you you just clear the mind and let it go, it will still be in the subconscious and might potentially affect your dreams, which you can't do anything about so this is why it is important to just accept that fact and not blame oneself if it doesn't go as planned.

But to meditate and direct your awareness away from it is better than to let it disturb you all the way through the WILD attempt so.

Thanks for the further explanation! You're right with the (home)work, I thought of it, but didn't write it down in the list. In general, get rid of everything stress related!

Good tips.

Just one thing - you do not need SP (body paralysis) to have lucid dreams. Most of the time when someone says SP - they actually mean vibrations, feeling of heaviness and such, which are normal signs of falling asleep.

Originally Posted by gab

Good tips.

Just one thing - you do not need SP (body paralysis) to have lucid dreams. Most of the time when someone says SP - they actually mean vibrations, feeling of heaviness and such, which are normal signs of falling asleep.

Yes, but SP is part of the WILD technique. It doesn't seem to work for me. These tips are also applicable for general sleep purposes. I mean, in order to have LDs you need to have a proper sleep.

I added some tips! If you have something, please post it here!

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

Yes, but SP is part of the WILD technique. It doesn't seem to work for me. These tips are also applicable for general sleep purposes. I mean, in order to have LDs you need to have a proper sleep.

Sleep paralysis (when you are trully paralysed) is part of WILD technique, ONLY if you are one of those people, who do experience paralysis when falling asleep normally and then also when WILDing.

But it's NOT part of WILD process for rest of the people (majority), who do not experience paralysis. Some tutorials do include SP as part of it, but majority of them don't and there is a good reason why.

Maybe it's not working for you because you don't need it?

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

[*]-> Have a cleared mind before going to sleep

This is definitely a big one. You have got to let your mind "spool down" before you get in bed, thoughts will carry over of course, but you need to switch off your typical daytime thought processes; if you're not feeling 'ready for sleep' when you shut the lights out, those thoughts just churn in on themselves an keep you awake.

gab is right about the sleep paralysis. You most likely only experience the paralysation in the waking state if you have the sleep disorder called "sleep paralysis".

If you feel like you can't move you are probably already in the dream world so take control!

It's really not this simple, but it is an easy way to understand how you will experience it, but think that the sleep paralysis is caused by the REM-Sleep.

This way you can think my goal of WILDing is to reach REM. In other words my goal of WILDing is to start dreaming. duhh ^-^

Originally Posted by MasterMind

gab is right about the sleep paralysis. You most likely only experience the paralysation in the waking state if you have the sleep disorder called "sleep paralysis".

If you feel like you can't move you are probably already in the dream world so take control!

It's really not this simple, but it is an easy way to understand how you will experience it, but think that the sleep paralysis is caused by the REM-Sleep.

This way you can think my goal of WILDing is to reach REM. In other words my goal of WILDing is to start dreaming. duhh ^-^

Are you saying that you normally don't DREAM?

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

Are you saying that you normally don't DREAM?

That's not what he means.

What he means is, that your goal when you WILD is to fall asleep and to dream, and not SP, sensations, hallucinations, or anything else you may or may not experience on your way to a dream. Have you read this WILD (sageous) tutorial? It would answer many of your questions.

Originally Posted by gab

That's not what he means.

What he means is, that your goal when you WILD is to fall asleep and to dream, and not SP, sensations, hallucinations, or anything else you may or may not expeience on your way to a dream. Have you read this WILD (sageous) tutorial? It would answer many of your questions.

I read it. What questions are talking about?

Hey Sorry meistersomnius perhaps my explanation was a little unclear, sorry about that.

The point of that post was to show you that the majority of your so called sleep paralysys experiences is already a dream, it's not that you are paralysed in your bed and see aliens, angels or monsters. You are by then laying in a dream bed in a dream room seeing aliens, angels or monsters, being slightly aware of not being able to move the physical body which is mirrored in the dream.

So next time you feel heavy strange sensations, make sure that you aren't dreaming already wasting a WILD attempt within the dream.

Many of my DEILD attempts is a success only because I take the chance and get out of my bed that feels very real, but when I get out of it I realize that I have transitioned.
So if you feel any strange sensations what so ever during the DEILD attempt, amplify them by focusing your awareness on them and when they reach their peak, get out of your bed!

For example if you hear a beep, continue listenting to it until you hear it very loudly, and then just take the chance and move!

The reason to why we on this forum have started to move away from the term sleep paralysis is because of it's missusage.

You can actually go to bed right now relax your body in 10 minutes and start feeling kind of heavy vibrations, believe me I do it every night on bedtime, and is this sleep paralysis?
No, far from it. This is just a sign that the body is getting relaxed. But the problem is when you see a member in the WILD section starting a thread named:

"I got SP but no lucid dream!!! WHY?"

And if they were in sleep paralysis which is paralysation of the body while dreaming, well you are already dreaming!

Well then they were already in the dream, if they weren't they have just mistaken the sensations of a relaxed body for sensations of a dream...

This is why I don't want the goal to be sleep paralysis, because beginners will call almsot every sensations sleep paralysis which in turn wont help them WILD which in turn will make them QUIT!

A better advice is then to relax and stay aware until you start dreaming, if you feel any strange sensations, which are signs of the dream during the relaxation , then try to amplify them and take a chance and reality check. If they can't be amplified it's not a sign of REM or a dream so don't bother by trying to transition.

So this is sort of like like a passive reality check.

The goal is to go from the waking state and then to the dream aware, sensations is like doors to the dream, but are not the primary goal.

Happy WILDing

You can correctly listen to gab and MasterMind. They aren't misleading you.

This other thread might also help: http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/sleep-...lained-136993/

That explanation evolved from a long pattern of people incorrectly labeling experiences while falling asleep as SP and many tutorials unnecessarily instructing people to strive for SP.

Sleep Paralysis is a condition only experienced by the minority of people and is not required to have a WILD.

Originally Posted by MasterMind

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Hey Sorry meistersomnius perhaps my explanation was a little unclear, sorry about that.

The point of that post was to show you that the majority of your so called sleep paralysys experiences is already a dream, it's not that you are paralysed in your bed and see aliens, angels or monsters. You are by then laying in a dream bed in a dream room seeing aliens, angels or monsters, being slightly aware of not being able to move the physical body which is mirrored in the dream.

So next time you feel heavy strange sensations, make sure that you aren't dreaming already wasting a WILD attempt within the dream.

Many of my DEILD attempts is a success only because I take the chance and get out of my bed that feels very real, but when I get out of it I realize that I have transitioned.
So if you feel any strange sensations what so ever during the DEILD attempt, amplify them by focusing your awareness on them and when they reach their peak, get out of your bed!

For example if you hear a beep, continue listenting to it until you hear it very loudly, and then just take the chance and move!

The reason to why we on this forum have started to move away from the term sleep paralysis is because of it's missusage.

You can actually go to bed right now relax your body in 10 minutes and start feeling kind of heavy vibrations, believe me I do it every night on bedtime, and is this sleep paralysis?
No, far from it. This is just a sign that the body is getting relaxed. But the problem is when you see a member in the WILD section starting a thread named:

"I got SP but no lucid dream!!! WHY?"

And if they were in sleep paralysis which is paralysation of the body while dreaming, well you are already dreaming!

Well then they were already in the dream, if they weren't they have just mistaken the sensations of a relaxed body for sensations of a dream...

This is why I don't want the goal to be sleep paralysis, because beginners will call almsot every sensations sleep paralysis which in turn wont help them WILD which in turn will make them QUIT!

A better advice is then to relax and stay aware until you start dreaming, if you feel any strange sensations, which are signs of the dream during the relaxation , then try to amplify them and take a chance and reality check. If they can't be amplified it's not a sign of REM or a dream so don't bother by trying to transition.

So this is sort of like like a passive reality check.

The goal is to go from the waking state and then to the dream aware, sensations is like doors to the dream, but are not the primary goal.

Happy WILDing

Hey
Yes I know that. Even last time this kid came up to me and said : "I did it. I had a Lucid Dream". When I asked him what he did he told me that he lied down on his bed and after 10 minutes felt his body become numb. As you said the term SP is wrongly used, I will use the term STS (sleep transition state) instead.

Originally Posted by melanieb

You can correctly listen to gab and MasterMind. They aren't misleading you.

This other thread might also help: http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/sleep-...lained-136993/

That explanation evolved from a long pattern of people incorrectly labeling experiences while falling asleep as SP and many tutorials unnecessarily instructing people to strive for SP.

Sleep Paralysis is a condition only experienced by the minority of people and is not required to have a WILD.

Thanks for pointing that out. From what I understood Sleep Paralysis is a disorder, which disables your body to move during sleep, and has nothing to do with Lucid Dreaming. If that is so, how did the term SP ever get in to this forum? And, isn't it used in some (official) tutorials?

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

how did the term SP ever get in to this forum? And, isn't it used in some (official) tutorials?

We're working on that. Dreamviews is a collaboration of many people over a number of years.

Originally Posted by meistersomnius

From what I understood Sleep Paralysis is a disorder, which disables your body to move during sleep, and has nothing to do with Lucid Dreaming. If that is so, how did the term SP ever get in to this forum? And, isn't it used in some (official) tutorials?

SP is not a disorder. We all get SP once we start to dream. It is actually called REM attonia - paralysis. If we didn't get REM attonia, we would act out our dreams and hurt ourselves and those around us. Each time you make any movement in your dream, your bedpartner would get a bruise, or you would hit your hand/leg on the wall or whatnot.

REM attonia becomes a disorder called SP, when it kicks in before you dreaming (hypnagogic attonia), or if it still has a hold of you after you wake up (hypnapompic attonia). When this happens, your muscles are prematurely/still paralysed and you feel helpless. You may feel short of breath, as if someone was sitting on your chest (the old hag syndrom). You are most likely to be very scared, trying to yell for help, but of course, you can't. You may see a threatening presence in your room (the alien abduction scenario), or something similar evil and scary.

Some people do notice their REM attonia frequently, some just 1-2 in their lifetime.

SP will end on it's own in a while. You may speed it up by changing how you breathe, or moving your toes and fingers. This will tell your body, that you not sleeping any more and will end the SP.

Then there are the sensations/hallucinations you can have as you falling asleep. These are simply signs of your body shutting down and falling asleep. Normally you don't notice these, but when you WILD, your mind stays awake and you observe your body falling asleep.

SP is part of some tutorials for 2 reasons.

1. Signs of body falling asleep (vibrations, feeling of heaviness/floatiness...) are mistakenly called SP
2. Some people, that do notice their REM attonia-SP, can use it to roll out of their body into OBE/WILD.

If you normally don't notice your REM attonia, you are very unlikely to notice it when you WILD.