Thread: Forced Brief Awakening (FBA) Induction Technique - Early Testing

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

I may be mistaken but I believe I am the most experienced person in the world when it comes to alarm based REM detection DEILD method. I have used every device available and have even crafted some myself. I now use the Aurora headband being the ONLY person in the UK to own one. I have tried the following devices to exhaustion will in depth analysis of the years.

Apple watch with an Android app that rings an iphone which in turn vibrated the watch at set periods during the night for a set amount of time
Headphones with auto-stop alarms
Earbuds with auto stop alarms
Iphones attached to my leg
RemDreamer
Remee
Aurora Headband
Samsung Gear attached to my ankle with a vibration (ditto) device crafted into a ring on my finger
Wired headphones / unwired headphones
Every lucid dreaming app on the market

I really have tried everything on earth every night and I now have a lot of data to work with and have had many dozens of lucid dreams this way

I have reached many conclusions and just some main points are the following...

it doesnt matter what device you use as long as it can rouse you from your dream and then switch off after a few seconds

I now use the Aurora headband and the REM detection is great, and its quite comfortable. It is the ONLY non-mask device on the planet that will detect REM and then flash light cues with sound.

Im happy to answer any questions as DEILD is my passion that I practise every night

DUDE! FIVE MONTHS OF CRUEL SILENCE AFTER YOUR TEASE ABOUT GETTING THE AURORA! Out with it! Details, data! Spit it oot, lad! You've got to have tons of graphs and success rates by now! How accurate is the Aurora REM detection now?

How did you craft the vibration device onto a ring? How was it controlled? How did the smart-phone-strapped-to-the-leg work? I tried it a few times on the arm held in by a sock I cut in half but I found it still bothered my sleep.

I have my own EILD setup in progress based on bedside night vision camera. I have face detection and eye movement detection pretty well working, but it's just bits and pieces of little building blocks that I still need to weave into a working whole and smooth flow. I call it "The Night's Watch" .

The camera captures movement location and magnitude perfectly (with nothing to wear!) I would like to gather heart rate & temperature info a well probably from an under-the-sheet pad (there's a commercial product that does that, I may try to reverse engineer its communication protocol to see if I can get live data into my own system). I'd also like to create my own (or repurpose where possible, so far all systems I see are closed, nobody wants to give out an API to live, streaming data from their device) notification devices. LED displays are easy as are sound. Vibration devices that are comfortable enough to sleep with are more of a challenge.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

DUDE! FIVE MONTHS OF CRUEL SILENCE AFTER YOUR TEASE ABOUT GETTING THE AURORA! Out with it! Details, data! Spit it oot, lad! You've got to have tons of graphs and success rates by now! How accurate is the Aurora REM detection now?

How did you craft the vibration device onto a ring? How was it controlled? How did the smart-phone-strapped-to-the-leg work? I tried it a few times on the arm held in by a sock I cut in half but I found it still bothered my sleep.

I have my own EILD setup in progress based on bedside night vision camera. I have face detection and eye movement detection pretty well working, but it's just bits and pieces of little building blocks that I still need to weave into a working whole and smooth flow. I call it "The Night's Watch" .

The camera captures movement location and magnitude perfectly (with nothing to wear!) I would like to gather heart rate & temperature info a well probably from an under-the-sheet pad (there's a commercial product that does that, I may try to reverse engineer its communication protocol to see if I can get live data into my own system). I'd also like to create my own (or repurpose where possible, so far all systems I see are closed, nobody wants to give out an API to live, streaming data from their device) notification devices. LED displays are easy as are sound. Vibration devices that are comfortable enough to sleep with are more of a challenge.

Aaaannd..... more silence?! Did I offend you or something?

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Aaaannd..... more silence?! Did I offend you or something?

Hi again. sorry but there have been certain things ive been unable to discuss due to gagging orders. Because the iWinks team gave me an Aurora (early tester) for no real reason other than my persistance I feel loyal to their wishes, however....

The Aurora, after much testing does have its problems. I would say it detects REM about 60% of the time, many times I will be laying in bed and the lights will cue when im clearly awake. Also the lights dont always wake me (and have only once actually penetrated into a dream) On the times it has woken me i have successfully DEILD'ed and ive done this only a handful of times, each night there seems to be a problem (lights not waking me, not flashing in REM, device giving me headache etc)

The actual device in theory is fantastic but the lights just dont wake me often enough to perform DEILD. Ive even handsown a sleepmask on top for darkness but it made no difference. It does have an audio alarm but ive not really tested this due to the wife would wake up. I only tested the audio alarm once and it did infact wake me and lead to a successful DEILD.

Throughout all of the devices ive constructed / used over the years Id say the Aurora is the most promising but only due to its REM detection. Id also say that its much more reliable to be woken up via audio signal than lights

I used to have an autostop alarm on my phone connected to a tiny earbud (bluetooth) but this was also impractical, it would be very sweaty and give me an earache.

Another device which has also worked was using my apple watch but the setup was very complex. You see, ideally there would be an apple watch app alarm that would vibrate and then stop automatically after a few seconds but no app on earth exists, trust me ive really tried to find an autostop alarm for apple watch. So what I did was I got an android phone, then downloaded a 'call scheduler' app to ring my normal phone each 30 mind after 4 hours of sleep. The Android app would stop ringing my phone after a few seconds. As my iphone is linked to my apple watch this means that my watch vibrates on my wrist when my phone is being called (by the app) and this setup worked. Because the watch vibrations arnt that strong I bought a little device on Amazon called a 'Ditto'. Its a bluetooth tiny vibrating object that will vibrate when my phone is ringing and so the following happens .... Android app 'call scheduler' calls my phone, my phone rings (on silent) which makes my watch vibrate and also the ditto vibrates ( the ditto is small so i 'stuck' it to my finger with velcro like a ring) and hense I have my vibrating autostop alarm!!!! Wouldnt it be easier if there as just a simple apple watch app to do this.

To be honest im still not sure what DEILD alarm works best. I would edge towards an audio alarm then vibrating alarm then lights.

Aurora will be fantastic once it is able to transmit high quality audio via bluetooth (to an earbud) once REM is detected

For now im going to stick to my vibrating watch alarm / ditto and post the results soon. Although this method has no rem detection it still seems to be more efficient than Aurora.

Hope this helps, sorry for the long delays, I will be very active from now on at DreaamViews :-)
Ezzo