Thread: Do you think Chakras have anything to do with the solar system?

Here's one of the most famous physicists of the twentieth century talking about names:

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=05WS0W...eature=related

[edit] Your entire discussion of "sacred geometry" and every discussion that I've ever seen fails to rise above the level of "knowing the name of something" to reference the last sentence of the linked video.[/edit]

Here's the thing about the scientific name of an organism. I can look at the full modern scientific name of any two organisms and know what their common ancestor is. I can look at the full scientific name of an organism and tell you all sorts of things about it. This is because the names that biologists choose mean something.

As for your "sacred geometry" is just a name argument, I can only laugh at it. What does it mean? As near as I can determine, it means nothing other than that subset of real geometry which has pretty pictures associated with it and is easy to understand.

Real math is hard. Real math is very hard. If real math doesn't make you feel slow and stupid then just wait until the subject that builds on what you're learning now.

For you to say that the "spiritual understanding of spirit" is the same as the scientific understanding of energy shows how ignorant you really are about this stuff.

I have a ball that weighs 2 kilograms. I throw it up in the air at an initial velocity of 2 meters per second. Please use your "spiritual understanding of spirit" to tell me how much kinetic energy it has at its highest point.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I have a ball that weighs 2 kilograms. I throw it up in the air at an initial velocity of 2 meters per second. Please use your "spiritual understanding of spirit" to tell me how much kinetic energy it has at its highest point.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

Here's one of the most famous physicists of the twentieth century talking about names:

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=05WS0W...eature=related

[edit] Your entire discussion of "sacred geometry" and every discussion that I've ever seen fails to rise above the level of "knowing the name of something" to reference the last sentence of the linked video.[/edit]

I tried to explain this with my first post. But I can't really explain it unless you're willing to grab a compass and start drawing. The reason why I keep saying all of these geometries derive from Sacred Geometry, is because Sacred Geometry has a very specific pattern on how its created. In other words, there's a lineage. You have to draw by hand the Flower of Life before you can draw the Fruit of the Life. And only after you've drawn the Fruit of Life can you then draw Metraton's cube and find the platonic solids. At some point the pattern becomes explosive, and the order doesn't matter so much because you can now find an infinite amount of patterns.

Here's the thing about the scientific name of an organism.

Trust me, I know. I have to learn many names for my horticulture class, and we studied the importance of the name and why horticulture names have two names. And I admitted, that there is a genuine practical purpose for the naming convention. But it sounded like to me that you were complaining that "all of a sudden its being called Sacred Geometry". For all I know scientists have already theorized something just like Sacred Geometry, that is a unified geometry that encompasses everything. The point I was trying to make was, just because scientists come up with their own name for something isn't a good enough reason to toss away the knowledge given from us by the ancients. For all we know, the two are one.

As for your "sacred geometry" is just a name argument, I can only laugh at it. What does it mean? As near as I can determine, it means nothing other than that subset of real geometry which has pretty pictures associated with it and is easy to understand.

I hoped by now I made the point clear. Sacred Geometry is named sacred because it is a describing a unified geometry, a geometry where all geometries are related, a holographic, fractal geometry. When I learned about geometry in school, there wasn't any real connection between one geometric form and the next. In Sacred Geometry EVERYTHING is connected.

Real math is hard.

Yes! That's why its so hard to talk about Sacred Geometry. Its still GEOMETRY. It doesn't magically work different than any other geometry in class. The Sacred Geometry book I read was a huge headache. It wanted me to find this angle, divide that by this, multiply it by that. Headache. So I cheated, and just read what all the math was finding! Oh this shape represents this sound in music! I'm perfectly happy with someone who really likes math doing the hard work with the left brain approach of Sacred Geometry.

I have a ball that weighs 2 kilograms. I throw it up in the air at an initial velocity of 2 meters per second. Please use your "spiritual understanding of spirit" to tell me how much kinetic energy it has at its highest point.

You're right, science has studied energy extensively, most especially in the world around us. Where as spiritual traditions spent more time studying the mind. But what I was trying to say, in spiritual traditions spirit is an invisible force, an indestructible force, a creative force, and a force that moves and animates everything. Imagine an alternate reality where the term energy was never created, your question might sound like:

"tell me how much kinetic spirit it has at its highest point?"

How different we would be as a culture if science and spirituality wasn't separate? We would understand Sacred Geometry better

Originally Posted by juroara

Trust me, I know. I have to learn many names for my horticulture class, and we studied the importance of the name and why horticulture names have two names.

To get the benefits that I was describing, we need to know the full name of it, not just the binomial name. This will normally be around 20 names if the modern taxonomists have gotten around to reclassifying the organism.

And I admitted, that there is a genuine practical purpose for the naming convention. But it sounded like to me that you were complaining that "all of a sudden its being called Sacred Geometry". For all I know scientists have already theorized something just like Sacred Geometry, that is a unified geometry that encompasses everything.

Mathematicians pretty much have: It's the theory of groups which is algebraic. It's difficult to say anything about anything with geometry. The real understanding comes from algebra. In the case of E8, it has structure as a 248 dimensional group and an additional structure as a differentiable manifold. So it's describing continuous symmetries. A square only has discrete symmetries because it can only be reflected around 4 axes and rotated by 4 angles. A circle as continuous symmetries because it can be reflected about any axes and rotated about any angle.

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So the symmetry group of a square has 8 elements in it and the symmetry group of a circle has an infinite amount of elements. In fact, you can't even put the symmetries in one to one correspondence with the integers because it's a "larger" infinity. There are as many symmetries of a circle as there are real numbers. But you can break the symmetry of a circle by marking it. If you mark it off into quarters, then the only symmetries that haven't been broken are the same symmetries as a square.

It's pretty cool stuff.
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The point I was trying to make was, just because scientists come up with their own name for something isn't a good enough reason to toss away the knowledge given from us by the ancients. For all we know, the two are one.

The knowledge of the ancients hasn't been tossed away at all in mathematics. It has been built on, abstracted and developed into the modern theory of mathematics.

I hoped by now I made the point clear. Sacred Geometry is named sacred because it is a describing a unified geometry, a geometry where all geometries are related, a holographic, fractal geometry. When I learned about geometry in school, there wasn't any real connection between one geometric form and the next. In Sacred Geometry EVERYTHING is connected.

I know that you think you learned geometry in high school but I promise you that you didn't. You can't start studying real geometry until you've had linear algebra. And I promise you that if you take that, they'll butcher it as well. It's really a travesty actually. Math is cool right from the get-go. Math classes don't get cool until the first classes in abstract algebra where groups start to get discussed, and analysis where calculus actually gets proven.

Yes! That's why its so hard to talk about Sacred Geometry. Its still GEOMETRY. It doesn't magically work different than any other geometry in class. The Sacred Geometry book I read was a huge headache. It wanted me to find this angle, divide that by this, multiply it by that. Headache. So I cheated, and just read what all the math was finding! Oh this shape represents this sound in music! I'm perfectly happy with someone who really likes math doing the hard work with the left brain approach of Sacred Geometry.

You should post a problem. I would like to see the connection that they're proposing between a shape and a sound. Also, math is not a spectator sport. You will never learn it if you don't work it. Please don't tell me that they use degrees in your book. Did you look at my radian thread? Other people explained it much better than me but the radian is the sacred unit of angular measure that is given to us by the geometry itself. I expect that anybody that doesn't know that is just trying to take advantage of the word "sacred" to sell a book.

You're right, science has studied energy extensively, most especially in the world around us. Where as spiritual traditions spent more time studying the mind. But what I was trying to say, in spiritual traditions spirit is an invisible force, an indestructible force, a creative force, and a force that moves and animates everything. Imagine an alternate reality where the term energy was never created, your question might sound like:

"tell me how much kinetic spirit it has at its highest point?"

How different we would be as a culture if science and spirituality wasn't separate? We would understand Sacred Geometry better

Honestly, science and spirituality should be separate. Any attempt to mix the two leads to confusion. Look at the creationists. They are taking what is supposed to be a spiritual teaching about human life, human mind and human spirit and trying to apply it to the physical world. That doesn't work. If sacred geometry is really the same as regular geometry, then I assure you that we understand it better than you can imagine although there are still a lot of open problems.

Just remember: red is red, blue is blue, etc. Attempting to apply spirituality to physics is like attempting to apply physics to spirituality. Bad things will happen.

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Oh and for what it's worth, the ball has zero kinetic energy at it's highest point because it's not moving. Kinetic energy is just mass times velocity squared over two. I tossed you a super easy one to highlight how ridiculous the claim that spirit = physical energy actually is