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Possible.
If telekinesis is possible, there is no reason pyrokinesis wouldn't be. Of course, it'll be on a lesser scale than how the movie's depict it.
I've been on multiple telekinesis forums, I even own an mp3 file with telekinesis subliminal messages on it. (The owner of a telekinesis website created it but then it shortly disappeared, fortunately I saved it before the site went down)
Pyrokinesis is just another form of telekinesis, motion creates heat - therefore, possible.
There's no reason to think that it is possible.
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Originally Posted by xei
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Originally Posted by will1
burned.
Not with pyrokinesis :cheeky:Quote:
Originally Posted by TraceFleeman
If you firmly believe its not possible, I would like you to study it for ohh... Around a thousand years and explore 100% of the brain you only use <10% of, then get back to us and tell us its not possible.
Asian cultures have been using pyrokinesis for hundreds of years, they use it to generate heat with what they call "Chakra" into their hands when using therapeutic back massages.
Thank you, sir.
:)
myth myth myth mythQuote:
Originally Posted by Will1
seriously, not true. we kind of use all of it at different times and with different intensity.
Personally I think it is more than possible. Knowledge is infinite, which technically means anything is possible - you just require certain factors to be met previously.
The brain is still a total mystery, no question about it.
And I am relatively open to psi in general, I enjoy reading Dean Radin and Rupert Sheldrake about mind processes and their influence. But the 10%, for credibilities sake, should be abolished. It's just not true. The only other time I recently came across it was when the church of scientology handed me a paper with this "fact" as a basis of their "arguments".
Hmm, I've just researched it a bit more - and it appears there is some myth to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dajo
There is a "myth to the myth", if you will, we use 100% of the parts of the brain we're using.
Which activate at different times, and if we were truly using 100% of all sections of your brain - we would all be geniuses. This is obviously not the case, we all know we're not operating at full capacity - common sense can tell us that.
So there is truth to it, and on top of that - there are sections of the brain we have not activated. Plus in our DNA, scientists currently believe 90% of what we thought was "junk matter" may actually hold more to it than we have ever thought.
...no there is not truth to it. Can you even explain what "using 10% of your brain" means? How do you think somebody measured this?
...any sources?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I wouldn't be surprised if people can consciously warm their hands up, because there is a physical link between the brain, specifically the hypothalamus, and hands. People can learn to consciously control their heart rates, also.
However, creating heat at a distance is physically impossible. No, we don't know everything about how the brain works, but we do know the physics of it. Saying that, because we don't know some things about how various neural pathways in the brain work computationally, we could find some way of making fires appear a few feet away is like saying, because you don't know the exact layout of New York, if you go to New York you might find China there.
The main thing you need to ask yourself is, as there is no evidence that this phenomenon is possible (unless you can provide some), why do you think that it is? The only possible answer is bias. Ask yourself then why you are biased. There's no evidence that there's a teapot-shaped asteroid circling the sun; presumably you don't believe in that.
Nothing is impossible. Everything is possible. Technology and what we know, however, needs to advance first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I'll put it this way: 1000 years back, the thought of a human flying would have been considered physically impossible, exactly the same way as what you're saying about pyrokinesis. They had insufficient technology and knowledge to assume otherwise. However, we're now sending people flying up to space. What does that tell us? It tells us that anything is possible once you find all the pieces to the puzzle. Knowledge is infinite. Possibilities are infinite. There is no end to what humans can accomplish.
There is truth to it, and yes I can. It means your not operating at full mental capacity - what else? There are tons of ways scientists have measured this. One of which could have been an MRI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Lucid dreaming hasn't exactly been proven either, yet your here on this forum as if it is. So, would it matter if our answers are biased?
If we always listened to the nay-sayers, we wouldn't get anything done. The only thing I really need to say is "After you discover the vast mysteries of the universe, you may then speak to me about impossibilities". At one time, people believed the earth was flat. Perhaps your the reincarnation of one of the nay-sayers who would hang anyone who said otherwise. Just a little thought.
I didn't give a full explanation, my bad. The Chinese, who were capable of warming their hands up during therapeutic sessions, were also capable of warming things at a distance regardless of physical interaction. Is it any wonder how they had a full layout of human body Chakra sources and knew precisely where to put needles to release certain energies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
And I'm not quite sure if we know the full physics of the brain either, many things happen that we can't fully explain which would defy anything we currently have theorized on the brain. I'd like to say we know nothing unless we tried everything.
And yes as I said above, the answer is indeed biased. Yes, I agree, all beliefs are biased.
However, if we weren't to believe in anything new that we didn't already prove scientifically, we would be what is called "Spiritually blind".
-Will1
Well, not infinite, but I take the point that technology allows us to broaden our capabilities. However we're talking about what humans alone can do, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Ummm... and what does "10% mental capacity" mean? This is a tautology. Do you mean 10% of neurons are lit up at any time? 10% of general brain areas are working at any time? 10% of brain areas work ever? MRI shows that at any time the majority of our brains are engaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
No, there is good evidence for lucid dreaming actually. People in the dream state were given cues and, if conscious, responded via moving their eyes in the dream, which can be recorded in real life.Quote:
Lucid dreaming hasn't exactly been proven either, yet your here on this forum as if it is. So, would it matter if our answers are biased?
We need nay-sayers who 'say nay' when there isn't any evidence for an assertion. The flat Earth analogy is not appropriate because nobody had ever actually done any experiment that would determine if the Earth was flat or not, so it was just a dogmatic thing and there was no reason not to question it. When the Ancient Greeks actually did such experiments, they found that the Earth was round. However, when you look at psi scientifically, there is no evidence it exists, and so you shouldn't believe it does.Quote:
If we always listened to the nay-sayers, we wouldn't get anything done. The only thing I really need to say is "After you discover the vast mysteries of the universe, you may then speak to me about impossibilities". At one time, people believed the earth was flat. Perhaps your the reincarnation of one of the nay-sayers who would hang anyone who said otherwise. Just a little thought.
Evidence?Quote:
I didn't give a full explanation, my bad. The Chinese, who were capable of warming their hands up during therapeutic sessions, were also capable of warming things at a distance regardless of physical interaction. Is it any wonder how they had a full layout of human body Chakra sources and knew precisely where to put needles to release certain energies?
We understand that the brain works physically, exclusively, by sending impulses of ions called action potentials from cells called neurons along branches called axons to other branches called dendrites. Hence the brain cannot set fire to things.Quote:
And I'm not quite sure if we know the full physics of the brain either, many things happen that we can't fully explain which would defy anything we currently have theorized on the brain. I'd like to say we know nothing unless we tried everything.
There are many things that natural science cannot ascertain; non-physical things like metaphysics, or mental things like morality. Psi is, however, not one of these; it is a physical thing, that can be scientifically ascertained.Quote:
And yes as I said above, the answer is indeed biased. Yes, I agree, all beliefs are biased.
However, if we weren't to believe in anything new that we didn't already prove scientifically, we would be what is called "Spiritually blind".
-Will1
I'm afraid I'm not much of a brainologist. :jester:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You believe there hasn't been proper study on PSI? You got defensive when I pointed out lucid dreaming, and that's not the most accepted belief in the scientific community today. There has been so many positive results in tests scientists have done its shocking for me to see someone in this field not believe in a 'brother' field, if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Oh dear, I thought you only meant "Pyrokininesis" not PSI as a whole. There isn't a shred of doubt PSI doesn't exist in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I'm surprised to still find nonbelievers in it, actually. There have been more tests that came up positive in PSI than in lucid dreaming, I can tell you that much. (Though, I do believe in lucid dreaming.)
Look into it, I don't have it written on the back of my hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
How do you know the thing that sets things on fire is in the physical plane? The personality/conscious mind/you aren't in the physical plane, I wouldn't expect your 6th sense to be either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
As I said above, nobody said it was in the physical plane. (Though I don't take away from the possibility.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Even I, personally, have experienced telekinesis. I use to be on a forum where it was a normal thing that was discussed daily, similar to here and lucid dreaming. Perhaps you have a few beliefs about PSI that damaged your belief about it, I encourage you to investigate more into PSI with an open mind. An open mind. Nobody can tell you anything if your shooting down everything as false.
"I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." - Morpheus
10% of brain myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you believe that we only use 10% of our brains, read this and stop using it as part of your arguments. I am not trying to offend anyone, or start an argument about other aspects of why pyrokinesis does or does not make sense. I am just pointing out a fallacy in many of these arguments which should not be ignored. We cannot "unlock the potential" of 90% of our brains because we are already using close to 100% of our brains.
Comparing by (mass used)/(total mass) with the brain makes about as much sense as telling people that their computers only use 30% of their components because the rest is just casing and support. While it is technically true, there is no way for you to "unlock" the potential in the plastic casing surrounding your computer parts.
Edit:This is a very accurate description in my opinion: it acknowledges that science has a specific domain (the natural, observable world) and that it cannot be applied to subjects outside that domain. If something like pyrokinesis truly bridges the gap between the natural and supernatural, then it would be expected for it to be scientifically observable. One could respond by saying that the act of scientific observation makes the bridge impossible, but then it is once again entirely outside the domain of science.Quote:
There are many things that natural science cannot ascertain; non-physical things like metaphysics, or mental things like morality. Psi is, however, not one of these; it is a physical thing, that can be scientifically ascertained.
References pl0xQuote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Sooo you didn't really have any reason for thinking there was truth to the 10% thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
There is peer reviewed researching clearly demonstrating lucid dreaming is a true phenomenon. Honestly you don't know what the scientific community thinks, you're just making assertions here. There's no research demonstrating things like telekinesis are real.Quote:
You believe there hasn't been proper study on PSI? You got defensive when I pointed out lucid dreaming, and that's not the most accepted belief in the scientific community today. There has been so many positive results in tests scientists have done its shocking for me to see someone in this field not believe in a 'brother' field, if you will.
You keep saying that but you're not showing it. And I have looked into it (or walked through the door or whatever other metaphor), it's not an issue of wilful ignorance.Quote:
Oh dear, I thought you only meant "Pyrokininesis" not PSI as a whole. There isn't a shred of doubt PSI doesn't exist in my mind.
I'm surprised to still find nonbelievers in it, actually. There have been more tests that came up positive in PSI than in lucid dreaming, I can tell you that much. (Though, I do believe in lucid dreaming.)
Or even a memory of some vague details.Quote:
Look into it, I don't have it written on the back of my hand.
Because fire is a physical thing; a chemical phenomenon? Have you ever observed any fires not caused by heat acting on some chemicals? Has anybody ever seen such a fire?Quote:
How do you know the thing that sets things on fire is in the physical plane? The personality/conscious mind/you aren't in the physical plane, I wouldn't expect your 6th sense to be either.
No, telekinesis and the like act on physical objects and are hence subject to scientific enquiry.Quote:
As I said above, nobody said it was in the physical plane. (Though I don't take away from the possibility.)
Why are you saying I'm shooting down everything as false? No I don't. If there is reason for believing something I believe it. All scientists have 'open minds'. Lucid dreaming is a rather strange idea but it is accepted because there is evidence. I don't believe that psi is real because I've never been shown any evidence that it is real and nobody's ever observed anything that would even allow it to happen.Quote:
Even I, personally, have experienced telekinesis. I use to be on a forum where it was a normal thing that was discussed daily, similar to here and lucid dreaming. Perhaps you have a few beliefs about PSI that damaged your belief about it, I encourage you to investigate more into PSI with an open mind. An open mind. Nobody can tell you anything if your shooting down everything as false.
You obviously didn't read my reply to the other guy who said that. But if you must, the 6th sense doesn't have to be in the brain, we just see activity there when using PSI. It could also be in our DNA, and in that case, >90% of DNA previously thought as "junk matter" lye undiscovered and scientists believe there are more than meets the eye. We still only scratched the surface on the knowledge of our body.Quote:
Originally Posted by AscendedSleeper
Actually, I saw it a fairly inaccurate description, because nobody... Nobody said it was in the physical plane. We simply assume so, but it could just as well be in a different plane just as you are. You as in, your conscious mind. You don't have a clue where you are, and we can't simply assume its located in the physical brain. (Though, it could be.)Quote:
Originally Posted by AscendedSleeper
Look it up, its common sense pl0x. PSI is such a huge field, how couldn't you know there were more studies on it than lucid dreaming? There have been groups of scientists who have done thousands of studies on it, while in lucid dreaming there have been far less activity due to its less-popularity. For me to go out and get you sources is like feeding you information.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
// And I'm lazy.
:lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I have yet to find an unbiased article giving Telekinesis any credibility.Quote:
Look it up, its common sense
Lol! Oh yes, I did - common sense would tell you we're not operating at full capacity, do you have reason to believe we are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I know you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
If I could internet choke you, I would. Right now. You want sources? You don't know who I am or what I'm capable of, for you to say something like that just ticked me off.
No scientific communities doing research on the subject, eh? Apparently there is a world of information you don't know about
(I can't hyperlink it because I have to be a member for 7 days, sorry.)Code:parapsych.org/
princeton.edu/~pear/
youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE
youtube.com/watch?v=ZdEl8OlQlLc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=FeFuc-qFKoA&feature=related
You sound like someone who doesn't understand the subconscious mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Jokes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Just because you didn't see it doesn't take away from its possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
And research can only be done on the objects, not telekinesis itself so that means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You are. A man can't see his feet if his subconscious believes they aren't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Was that a joke? You don't know the world very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
There is evidence in the PSI field, you fail to see it - and don't assume nobody ever observed it. I've used it firsthand. Now I know you haven't done much research on it, because a little research would show you the reports number in the millions in comparison to lucid dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You'll understand what "Open Mindedness" means once you achieve it.
Your laughing because I said it could be in something that we only know 10% about? Smart, really smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
I have yet to read an unbiased article from an open-minded scientists taking credibility from telekinesis, we're even.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
There's no evidence that it doesn't exist so therefore it must! Flying spaghetti monster laughs at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Could you stay out of the conversation? Your boring me, Xei provided much more of an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Your more like troll and less like science.
Your argument hinges on the evidence of "studies" for which you can't provide references, and you think your posts are worthy of a valid argument? Bah.
You didn't read my previous posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
More troll less science, much?Code:parapsych.org/
princeton.edu/~pear/
youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE
youtube.com/watch?v=ZdEl8OlQlLc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=FeFuc-qFKoA&feature=related
Whoopsies, you know while I was participating in this topic, I completely forgot my true intention and train of thought.
While I'm battling you on these minor details of telekinesis on PSI, I forgot the mind operates the entire physical plane - not just moving objects.
I completely forgot my knowledge of Quantum Physics, I don't know what I was thinking, but while I was watching one of my sources I remembered everything I had forgotten with one quote.
"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together"
:cheeky: I feel foolish for forgetting something that I grown around.
And the 10% figure comes frommm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
...why are you now lying to me? We both know that what you said isn't true, so what possible motive could you have? Please don't tell me you're convincing yourself by knocking down these blatant strawmen.Quote:
I know you didn't.
If I could internet choke you, I would. Right now. You want sources? You don't know who I am or what I'm capable of, for you to say something like that just ticked me off.
No scientific communities doing research on the subject, eh? Apparently there is a world of information you don't know about
"There's no research demonstrating things like telekinesis are real" is patently NOT the same statement as "there's no research being done into things like telekinesis", so why are you pretending it is?
Actually I have read about PEAR before, contrary to what you keep telling yourself about my ignorance. It was shut down a while ago for being a laughing stock and a complete waste of resources. Their entire premise was to do millions of random processes and see if people could affect the outcome. After years and years they had something like a 0.000001% deviance and they were claiming that this is statistical proof that there is an effect, it's ridiculous. Nobody has accepted this.Quote:
(I can't hyperlink it because I have to be a member for 7 days, sorry.)Code:parapsych.org/
princeton.edu/~pear/
youtube.com/watch?v=4jgMzcRxxEE
youtube.com/watch?v=ZdEl8OlQlLc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=FeFuc-qFKoA&feature=related
I could just tell you to read my previous posts.Quote:
Just because you didn't see it doesn't take away from its possibility.
Obviously somebody's never having seen something does not mean it does not exist, but it does mean that there is absolutely no reason to positively think that it does exist. If you're still struggling with this concept I refer you back to the analogy of the teapot orbiting the sun.
Apparently you don't understand the basics of scientific investigation.Quote:
And research can only be done on the objects, not telekinesis itself so that means nothing.
If something has a physical effect, then it can be confirmed or denied by science. Science does not need to understand an effect to confirm that it exists. Obviously the whole of science has progressed by doing the latter first, in fact.
If telekinesis is real, it is extremely easy to test. You sit somebody down in a room. You tell them to move an object to a random location in the room. If they do this repeatedly then that is scientific confirmation of a person's intention causing objects to move.
...you're just asserting again. You totally ignored what I said. I believe in lucid dreaming, as do other scientists, even though it is strange. This is because it has evidence. I do not believe in psi, etc., because there has never been any convincing evidence. This is such an obvious principle; how can you possibly argue with it?Quote:
You are. A man can't see his feet if his subconscious believes they aren't there.
You've clearly shown yourself to have no good idea what scientific investigation actually is. Can you even delineate for me a general picture of the scientific method?Quote:
Was that a joke? You don't know the world very well.
You're talking about a group of people who believe that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, expanded from a single point, and now contains more than 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 burning points of light arranged in massive spirals, the centres of which contain infinitely dense collections of mass which bend space so much that they suck in all light and cause objects inside to speed to the end of time; a group of people who believe that every person, and every other living thing, is descended from a single 4 billion year old minuscule blob of organic materials.
And you have such an incredible lack of understanding that you call these people 'closed minded'!? It's such a hilariously weak defence, it doesn't even bear thinking about. What you actually mean by 'open minded' is 'people who believe in things for which there is no reason to believe', without understanding that having an open mind does not necessitate you throw criticality out of the window and start believing in fairies. Scientists are probably the most open minded group in history, that's why their enterprise has been so hugely successful.
So you keep saying, yet I have looked, found nothing, and you've given no evidence at all that this is the case.Quote:
There is evidence in the PSI field, you fail to see it - and don't assume nobody ever observed it. I've used it firsthand. Now I know you haven't done much research on it, because a little research would show you the reports number in the millions in comparison to lucid dreaming.
On the contrary, everything we know today relies on a different perception of things which somebody brought forward. Different perceptions are brought into the world once a new person is born. Unless humans were to suddenly become unable to reproduce (which doesn't look likely), that means that mankind will continually grow in possibilities and knowledge. This continual growth means infinite perceptions, which means infinite possibilities, and since perceptions govern to-date knowledge, that means knowledge is also infinite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Infinite knowledge would presumably require infinite humans... and I don't think they would fit in the universe.
You forget that people die?
Xei, your argument to me isn't worth the quote.
All you did just now is prove my point your close-minded, and if you still don't believe you are, look at your defensiveness.
You only pointed out the PEAR resource I gave you and neglected everything else given to help defend your argument, but that only proved my point.
And yes, you don't know the scientific community very well. When you say these people are only open minded, we're talking about sheep who accepted something into their community only after somebody who wasn't a nay-sayer go through hell just to get it accepted and proven, sorry but the modern day community doesn't know crap compared to the ancient civilizations that showed them over half the things they knew today without the tools they have.
The ancient civilizations knew more about the stars and planets that modern day scientists are only just now learning today. You are a fool to believe scientists are open minded, they are the most close minded people in the world.
Ancient Egypt - Modern day scientists still can't figure out the mathematics behind the pyramids and still can't replicate one even with the tools. Egyptians also had mystery schools and passed these sciences down through generations and today we still have those schools with advanced sciences - with telekinesis included in the material. We call this society the "Rosicrucians".
Science only comes after the theory, sorry - if your strictly science, your going to be on the slow end of the creative process.
You make false assumptions pretty quick, and when I call you close minded - try to think why I might call you that while your typing your next message.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein
Open mindedness is NOT the same as blindy accepting dumb fairy tales without any proof.
Will, if you would stop saying that there is proof and provide some, please. Thank you. YOU have the burden of proof, since YOU are the one making the positive claim.
The ancient sivilizations knew nothing compared to us. Sure, they might've realized the basic movements of planets and such, but they sure as heck didn't know what the starts were made of, how long they had been there, how they came there, and why they were even visible.
Can't replicate a pyramid? Who would invest the resources into making such a useless journey. Sure, it'd be interesting, but nobody is really trying to do it that seriously.
Science is needed to compile the theory. Before that, it's a hypothesis. If it is not more possible than other insane hypothesises, it's as useless as any rambling of an insane man.
Jussi, it's ignorance like yours which causes wars, I'm afraid.
I see. You must excuse me, I tend to forget you left-brainers require sources because you can't find it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
How about this?
youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
I hope that doesn't go over your head, study it.
You know, I thought you were going somewhere with this until...
Civilizations*Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
You must've lost your mind, they knew everything compared to us. Basic movements? They had complete layouts and mappings of the stars, using mathematics today that we still don't have a hint on how they discovered. Half of the planets they have mapped out isn't even visible using the human eye, and today we haven't a clue on how they knew about it.
Even their pyramids were mapped out across the land according to the stars. That was a foolish statement, if only you knew how much they did... The only reason we know over half of what we do is because of them, and we're still learning from them. What do you think, they were stupid? They had the most advanced mathematics in the world, do your research.
Useless? The pyramids are the most stable structures in the world, they survived thousands of years through floods and droughts, while modern day structures barely last a few years. They invented the light bulb AND air conditioning through practical mathematics, most people don't know that. I'm guessing your one of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
There is science behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Will1's IQ is over 9000.
Hahahaha...omgQuote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I guess you've never stayed at the Luxor. The pyramid is accurate in proportion to Khufu's pyramid, yet it's slightly larger, is mostly hollow, and lights up at night.
You just stated yourself that it's not a replica, therefore reinforcing Will1's point. Nice job.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmind
Leaving thread due to excess stupid, gullible, ignorant, and lack of reading skills.
No, your leaving due to your inability to comprehend what "open minded" means, and your trying to insult us? Your the one backing out of something you jumped into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
If you're going to contribute to my thread, please don't ragequit when your point has been proven invalid. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert EinsteinQuote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
When somebody claims that a bunch of dudes who thought the Sun went round the Earth and thought there were five planets knew vastly more than scientists today, I think I'm allowed to draw a line.
Speaking of which, the initial subject has derailed pretty much entirely. Back to pyrokinesis?
Will1, your credibility seems to have an inverse relationship with the number of posts you make in this topic. The reason no one here takes you seriously is because you spout ignorant dribble and never have anything to show for it. You can't make baseless assertions and just expect people to believe you.
Actually, science comes in after a falsifiable hypothesis. A scientific theory has been well tested and observed; theory is what comes after science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I know this steers off course completely, but if you're going down that road, I can list a fine example of science being totally wrong: Evolution; the man evolving from the ape. That is complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
This is the bit where the train crashes and explodes.
Force of habit, I already provided some sources but if we're still on the Egypt matter...Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
-Documentary-
youtube.com/watch?v=W6xjcKaTSW8
-This one is on Egypt's mystical geometry-
youtube.com/watch?v=czISLzICp9s
You mean you begin building something before you have the idea? Interesting technique you got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
Those were the white civilizations who thought that, not the ancient Egyptians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I thought you chickened out already? Don't make random comments that don't contribute because if your going to contribute, prove my last reply to you wrong and we'll see how that turns out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I'd ask if you have any evidence but I think at this point that'd be extremely blockheaded of me.
Your still doing it. And it would, considering I already shared with you the video of the double slit experiment which proves the observer has an effect on his environment, and when the observer isn't present - everything is everywhere meaning anything is possible and/or happening right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
That basically means: I know you're right, and I'm too up my own ass to acknowledge that, so I'm just going to throw in whatever provokes you because my immaturity levels are blooming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Take yourself out of this thread, like you clearly stated you were going to do earlier, unless you can actually respond with something worthwhile.
That'd be a bit easier to believe if he'd actually provided some evidence instead of linking to an unrelated video, wouldn't it?
What did I just say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I don't think you understand scientific method, so let me spell it out for you: you make an observation, you create a hypothesis, you make a prediction, you test your hypothesis (multiple times), and you draw a conclusion. You meticulously document the entire process, and then you publish your findings in hopes that other scientists can replicate your results. Once the results have been replicated by enough other scientists, the findings may become a scientific theory. Honestly you should brush up on your high school science education because you've done nothing so far but make a fool of yourself.
Since I know what I am saying is true and not some garbage I made up myself, I'll provide a credible source to back up what I am saying.
Introduction to the Scientific Method
Let me ask you this: do you think you could submit any of the links you've provided in a Works Cited page of a report for a university, or even a high school? Last time I checked, youtube is not a credible source. Mostly because people can upload whatever the hell they want on it.
Did you just say quantum physics isn't related to telekinesis? I would laugh so hard right now if I could do it through my keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Perhaps you should watch the video.
You said that my asking for evidence is the same thing as saying "you are right and I am wrong", which apparently makes sense in your world, remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Ya I wasn't asking about that, I was asking if you could back up the whole Egyptian astronomy thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I don't need to watch the layman's video as I already know about quantum physics, thanks. Not sure why you're now using the work of closed minded scientists, but whatever.
A video on quantum physics does not explain or prove telekinesis. Why? Because it explains quantum physics, not telekinesis. Unless you can show me, with a credible source, that there is some practical application of quantum physics that can be used to perform or prove telekinesis, you have proven nothing.
Well if I didn't understand the complete scientific method, I do now! Thanks buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
But you still need to solve umm... Oh yes! Proving telekinesis wrong, because scientific method is completely irrelevant to this topic.
Also, I can't hyper link so if I don't make my links all neat and fancy you'll have to excuse me.
The links I've given you all to YouTube have been done by prestigious professors and quantum theorists like Michio Kaku, don't try to downplay my sources because they aren't typed on a boring page like yours is.
I advise you to look into the documentary "What the Bleep Do We Know".
Yeah you should know that that 'documentary' is a piece of propaganda and cites various pieces of demonstrated scientific fraud.
If you look into it, you'll see the relevancy - please look into it before typing your next post.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
Like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
The water molecule thing for one turned out to be fraud.
ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptastronomy.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Xei
If you knew about quantum physics, you wouldn't have said telekinesis isn't possible. Thanks.
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
"I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." - MorpheusQuote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Son of a...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Like I said, your is head is way too high in the clouds to acknowledge it. He's already provided evidence. Glad to see you like backing me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
That's not a source, that's a comeback. This isn't a trolling site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Also, nice avoidance. Clearly you have nothing to back you up on.
Scientific method has nothing to do with this topic? How else are you going to prove telekinesis/pyrokinesis right or wrong? I think it has everything to do with this topic, and the fact that you feel that it doesn't speaks volumes about how ignorant you are. Also, why should I, the negative, have to prove to you that telekinesis is not real? The burden of proof is left on the positive, which are you and LucidJuggalo.
Besides, it is easy for me to prove: no one that I know can do it. Not a single one. If you respond with, "well just because you or them can't do it doesn't mean others can't or you don't have the potential," stop right there. Remember I said a hypothesis must be falsifiable before you can even subject it to the process of the scientific method? Well, the hypothesis that all humans have the potential to perform telekinesis or pyrokinesis is unfalsifiable. Because your hypothesis is unfalsifiable, it therefore cannot be proven by the scientific method, thereby destroying what little credibility you originally had.
I encourage you to investigate more with an open mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Look into it, I don't have it written on the back of my hand.
You should look into your own advice. You'll find it highly useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Xei was playing a joke on Will1. At the beginning of the thread, he refused to provide evidence and told everyone to go find it for themselves. Xei was simply doing the same thing but doing so through a quote rather than bluntly stating "find the proof for my argument yourself," like Will1 did. I find it laughable you would get angry at Xei for this but not Will1.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Because that's blatantly proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
I think the select phrase is 'rank hypocrisy and bias'?
The theory of scientific method has nothing to do with this topic. This topic has nothing to do with proving it real, therefore scientific method wouldn't be utilized, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
We're ignorant? Your the one saying this infinite universe is limited in possibilities, while that's already proven false.
Also
Juggalo, its apparent these are close minded people, I pity them. Xei gives half-assed responses because he can't reply to my original arguement, Snoop jumped in the middle talking about scientific theory which isn't relevant to this thread, and I'm not going to waste time helping the helpless.
Close minded ignorance is bliss, huh?
Ah, but Will1 shares the same views as me, so why would I?Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
I couldn't agree more. Back to the original subject maybe? Cos I, for one, am tired of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
In dreams it's posible! I tried throwing a fireball at some guy, it hardly burned his hair
Good point. In a dream, absolutely anything is possible, and just a mere thought away. However, my original question was about whether it's possible within waking reality or not. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by mowglycdb
Mowglycdb, what are your thoughts on that?
you mean like creating fire out of nothing? or setting something on fire? maybe if you get 1000 people experienced in psi and qigong masters they could unite energy into one point to set a paper on fire????
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Mr. Masaru Emoto has yet to make his water crystal magic happen under controlled conditions. Look it up, there's nothing. It's his mere word against the collective work of many many physicists and other scientists.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Yes, I mean precisely that. However, it's not entirely out of 'nothing'. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it is only borrowed. Therefore, it is essential for pyrokinesis, as it's heat energy we require initially to spark a flame.
As simple as that sounds, I hadn't considered that before. Group-work? Maybe it could certainly speed up the process.Quote:
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Intellectual honesty? Oh never mind.Quote:
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In case you weren't aware Will, the things I asked you to cite were not in that website. So now you're going to adjust your position, right?
Fair point, however that subject was a major side-track from the original, and has now come to a close. If you want to discuss that, please set up your own thread in relation to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
I believe this is at an end. Pyrokinesis, or nothing. That whole debate was unnecessary, and time wasting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Yes I believe that raising my own physical tempeture a bit is posible, when I channel reiki my hands get quite hotter, but I don't know if combined forces would make it hotter than that you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
I would, but I'm bored with the conversation due to you taking cheap shots like few worded posts used to provoke flame wars between all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
*Yawn*
If you insist, what is not on the website I provided?
I guess the only way we'll know (or get a step closer) is to conduct an experiment with many experienced individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by mowglycdb
I believe there was an experiment done with a thousand people where they focused on a tree and set it on fire, but its just something I've heard so I haven't done any research on it.
The fact that you consider quoting the exact same thing you said to me as 'flaming' should really make you stop and reconsider. Of course, you're not going to, but it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
To answer your question, just reread my original post?
Nope. What's possible and what's not is defined by what knowledge we have about the world. The most efficient and reliable way of attaining and building on knowledge is the scientific method (source: History of the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), so it is indeed very relevant to the thread.Quote:
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Red herring with irony, my favourite.Quote:
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Where did you hear that? Sounds intriguing.Quote:
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We're not proving it ourselves, so we won't be using it. Unless your conducting a study for all of us? If so, thanks a bunch! If not, just shut up because your typing style is boring me, you jumped in the middle of something ending, and your not contributing to anything but flame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
Kthnx.
Please don't tell people to shut up, and don't say somebody is flaming when they clearly aren't. If you think somebody is going over the top then PM a moderator.
I'll try to find it (It'll take me a sec.)Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Can't find it, I suppose it was a rumor. (Although I did find this if it sparks any interest.)
ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101229204030AAVjtHo
Still don't like how I can't post links :whyohwhy:
You asked if it's possible, as far as we know it's not and it has already been shown why the use of a scientific mindset is justified. There's no need to get mad at people disagreeing with you.Quote:
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Perhaps I was a bit mean, apologies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
But I'm afraid we'll have to move from that argument, its wasting precious time, lets be a bit more productive in our posts.
I realize we're doing nothing but needlessly harming each other, we are all equal humans and deserve respect.
Although try to see it like this: We are all equal humans, and one side of humans think one thing and another think something else.
Are either of them 'crazy'? No, they simply don't understand each other.
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You actually believe all humans are equal? :facepalm:
This is obviously not true because some people can perform Telekinesis while others can't.
Equality in a different sense, I think he means.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
What other sense is there? Please explain because I'm not sure I understand.
Oh, and my contribution to the thread: pyrokinesis is impossible.
Meditate on that question sufficiently and you shall find enlightenment.
And here's my response to your contribution:
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert EinsteinQuote:
Originally Posted by snoop
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Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
There have been literally thousands of experiments dealing with psi. None have ever yielded anything worth noting. If you are so adamant about the possibility of psychokinesis, then why are you wasting your time arguing with us rather than proving us wrong through experimentation?
Meditation is irrelevant; humans are far from equal, end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Tele/pyrokinesis also would have sounded ridiculous 1000 years ago, and it still does. Just because a few things that were impossible in the past are possible today does not mean that everything that is impossible will eventually be possible in the future. There's absolutely zero logic to support this.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Just because there is a void of knowledge in a particular area, in this case knowledge of future advances, does not mean we can fill in that void with random speculations. It's fine to think of random 'what if' statements and meditate on them to see what truth they hold, however it is completely unhealthy to invent reasons why something you want to believe in could exist regardless of rationality.
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This is exactly how you should feel the next time you try to move something with your mind and nothing happens.Quote:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Originally Posted by A Roxxor
And I recall experimentation clearly stating that we use only a small fragment of our brain. You are under no inclination to deny the possibility of things such as psychokinesis, when we don't even know the true potential of the brain.
Correction: We do not understand the logic. It is an area far too advanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Edit: There is absolutely no logic to support that that isn't possible in the future, either.
All great feats of knowledge are accomplished by first opening the mind. I suggest that you take note of this, as yours seems to be closed off. That is not designed to be insulting either, I'm merely stating.
"Obvious trolls are obvious" - LucidJuggalo
I already told you all, we're bored with this argument and the only thing left to be said is...
"Don't beat a dead horse"
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Apparently none of you picked up on the emoticons meaning.
Anything else said here will be considered irrelevant and will get my pity, continue with caution.
You both are talking about a diferent thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
LikeToTrip is right in the sense that we human beings have chose to live our lives diferently, we think diferent, look diferent, have diferent oportunities, intelligence.
LucidJuggalo is talking about what human beings really are light, feelings, a sentient being with the capacity to love, in that sense we're all equal in escense, just taking diferent desitions.
I can't believe you're still bringing this up....Quote:
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Neuroscience For Kids - 10% of the Brain Myth
There's an article written for kids, hopefully you can understand it.
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I bet you fit right in in the juggalo fam.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Thank you. At least somebody here get's what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by mowglycdb
This is now attacking personal areas. If this continues, I will not hesitate to contact those in charge of DV. Grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Stop trolling with something you don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
"Think of it this way. Let’s say your brain is a stereo. When you are using your stereo you are using 100% of it. Here is the x factor. If the volume knob is set at say a 2 level then you are not getting the same usage when compared to turning the volume knob to 8 or 10."
- scienceray.com/biology/human-biology/how-much-brain-do-we-use/
Kthnx, or would you like me to get you a kiddy article?
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I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
well even though it can end up in senseless debating you learn how to express your ideas in a better way when debating, that's a pro!. I have problems expressing my ideas atleast.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
I don't know if LikeToTrip has problems with your believes or your reasonning, seems like he's getting tired , can you answer this to me LikeToTrip? do you have a problem with what LucidJuggalo believes, or how he reasons?
It's apparent to me that he does. I had a feeling this was being fronted purely because of my way of life. And, quite frankly, that just makes me laugh. It's good to know I have something which allows me not to judge others senselessly. It's what's going to help me get somewhere in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by mowglycdb
Edit: And help me get closer to the goal of pyrokinesis. If I don't manage it in this life, I certainly will in the next.
Question, why do you ask if pyrokinesis is possible/impossible if you already believe/know it is possible and won't accept the ideas of anyone else and will just insult them if they disagree?
Well I'd recommened you to relax a bit, you seem pretty worked up. I think you feel you're a victim in this, that's why you're fighting back, sometimes when they bother a lot yes it can be funny, but it's more about singing haters gonna hate and not worry or take it personally, you can't let him dig that deep in you, you controll to where his words affect you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Mmm LikesToTrip can be a successful person, sometimes people just enjoy trolling and sometimes they're very smart, you never know till you meet them in person.
From said article:Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
But.... then how could they determine we aren't operating at full capacity if there isn't a way to test it?Quote:
There is no physical data to determine in tangible evidence the amount of usage the human brain has.
The article then goes on to explain that savants are able to function at a much higher level than average people. However, This does not prove that average people can function at a higher level.
I would like you to find me a kiddy article, it would probably be much more informative than this laughable reference.
I really enjoyed this post. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
If you're referring to LikeToTrip, I clearly stated I wasn't being offensive. Then he made a personal attack on me, and I took offence. My response wasn't an insult, it was a blunt statement. Judging others harshly for no reason will not get you anywhere in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Plus, others are free to say their thing if they don't believe in it. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I shall then defend my beliefs in response. That is the whole point of a debate.
And I really enjoyed reporting you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Yeah, like assuming I was talking about LikesToTrip, I was refering more when you decided to agree with the insulting responses Will1 was doing to others, for example snoop. You also said that "Nothing is impossible" that statemen itself could prove you wrong, since nothing is impossible, the "possibility that in this universe, pyrokinesis is impossible" is also possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo
Its a paradox, don't think too hard, you'll get nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Didn't you just prove yourself wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
If you continue your fail trolling I'm going to teach you how it feels to get trolled. I can do it a lot better than your failed attempts, and I'd like you to know I specialize in computer security. :clap: Good game, and I don't bluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
So that's what your owned face looks like. :cackle:Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Tell that to LucidJuggalo, because my example was for sure not a paradox, it is a possible event in this universe not everywhere, so the "it being impossible" doesn't really apply to it. That is, if we follow the logic of "nothing is impossible".Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Well you see... According to quantum physics everything is happening all the time, and the only way that is possible is if there are multiple universes. A multiverse, if you will. Meaning everything is possible because there is a universe for everything. (I think our goal should be learning to 'slide' from universe to universe.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
It's the only way everything is possible. (Which it is.) Though the results of the hadron collider has yet to be published, so it can't be proven (yet.)
How??Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I'm not trolling, I'm stating my honest opinion. If you would like to attempt to troll me by all means, make my day. And your attempt at a threat was quiet humorous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I really enjoyed this post :D <- I will wear my 'owned face' proudlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Yeah, so it being impossible in this universe is still a possibility. "This universe" and not "everywhere" is the important part.
It isn't trolling to answer the question presented in the title of the thread, nor is it trolling to ask those who believe pyrokinesis is possible to back up their statements with a credible source--that's common sense. What is trolling, however, are comments designed to insult others and incite anger. Comments like this:
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You even manged to sneak a threat in there, nice one.Quote:
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The next person who talks about Quantum Physics and what he says without a degree gets their internet privileges revoked for 8 weeks.
The many-universes hypothesis is an explanation for the specific existence of this universe and doesn't really have anything to do with wave/particle duality.
Why, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoop
By the way, half of the things you quoted me on isn't trolling.
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
That's trolling, and that's precisely what LikesTopTrip is trying to pull and I certainly won't standby and let him even attempt to troll me, especially when we tried to keep the peace and he came by trying to stir up trouble. If he wants trouble, I'll give it to him.
I agree with you, but while its possible to be impossible it is also possible. You see the possibilities? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Quite* you 3rd grader, lmao. What do you think this is a game? You thought my threat was humorous?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Oh I see... Well I don't know what threat your talking about. Would you care to explain your retarded theories? Oh gee, I hope they include sarcasm.
Start retarded thread, get retarded answers.
Duh.
Except that's not what quantum physics says. Let's be honest, we both know you have no idea about quantum physics. Stop pretending you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Let's be even more honest. NO ONE on this forum -really- understands quantum physics. A very small population really understands quantum physics to the degree needed to do anything highly applicable with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Obviously.
It was Dr. Michio Kaku's parallel universe theory, who is practically this generations Einstein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I've been studying it for 4 years, and so far you made yourself look stupid so I'd advise stop putting yourself in that position.
Lets be honest, we both know your not smart, stop pretending you are?
OH: But if its not what Quantum Physics says, what does it say, mr. I know so much about quantum physics and I like to cut into the middle and jump out when its convenient in an argument?
I agree this this guy. (I don't do the equations, but I sure can put together the theories.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Artelis
Well I got into the same university as Dirac, Maxwell and Newton. Where do you study? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Michio is a science populariser. The multiple universes interpretation is in the realm of philosophy, not science; he did not come up with the idea; and there are other interpretations including the Copenhagen interpretation which is the one accepted by most physicists.
Four years studying and you didn't know the basic facts? Ouch.
I at least know enough to know when somebody is talking bollocks. I know quite a bit of the qualitative stuff and I can also do some of the mathematics which came up in my course. You're right though that most of it is way beyond any of us. I'm not going to go into it professionally.Quote:
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Lol this thread.Quote:
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@Will1
And god dammit the contraction is YOU'RE. You Are. Okay?
If you honestly expect anyone on this forum to believe you have studied anything for four years you're only kidding yourself. Touting false credentials on the internet is an even faster way to to not be taken seriously than posting bougs threads about psychokinesis.
You really are oblivious aren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Pointing out a typing error, more ominous threats, pleading ignorance, and childish insults. You're doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
EDIT: And I'm still thoroughly enjoying your posts :D
you're still more retarded than Xei in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
And yet you can't show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I should warn you, I am pretty retarded.
Woah! That was a lot of troll in one minute. I was still wording one of my posts before all that happened.
Well I'll tell you what, because I can't reply to all of you, I'm going to leave this thread. Meanwhile, I'm gonna have fun with my new friend, LikesToTrip, he's so kind, I will have to return the favor. Well you guys have fun trolling somebody who won't read your posts, I'll be having fun elsewhere.
Bye bye.
P.S. Artelis, you don't know what my IQ is, I'd stay quiet if I were you. I also noticed your use of the word "more". ;)
P.S.S. A Roxxor, thanks - I didn't notice that and its good you said something.
Xei can't you just lock this thread? I mean it's a little of topic. There's been threats. The same argument has been thrown around in everyone's face.
I think a lock on this thread is long overdue. IMO
good lord he's on to us. QUICK, CALL MOM!Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
Nah, I can't allow you to return the favor. I'm only a pitcher, not a catcher. :hump:Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I agree with dakotahnok. My hunger for trolling has been sated, and this thread has been off topic for wayyyy too long.
I'm not sure there've been serious 'threats' as such. It's hard to take somebody seriously when they say "I don't bluff" and a few minutes later claim to have studied quantum physics for four years. I will make it clear though that any more threatening hacking (which I didn't notice till now) will result in an infraction: that is not acceptable forum behaviour regardless of the (lack of) credibility.
Any thread inviting scepticism in the Inner Sanctum is bound to get a bit heated, but it's still, albeit very roughly, on topic at the moment. If Juggalo would like it locked then he can request that. Also I'll repeat what I said earlier: if you can't think of how to respond to something, then don't respond to it; do not accuse people of trolling or flaming in public, especially when they're clearly not.
Boys, girls. I'd just like to gather everyone around to let you all know I'm so glad I could've been part of this thread. It's a special tradition to build up one of the most special of special retarded members here on DV and then tear them down mercilessly in one thread trollin extravaganza.
Why aren't you capable of replying to everybody?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
If you just said that you were wrong you would've looked less stupid.
Because the 5 people I reply to would reply again, and again, and again. Plus they would be primarily against me, it's just as I said in my original post, close minded people can't see their feet if their subconscious doesn't believe it's there. The same rule applies here, they act barbaric and resort to insults because they can't handle change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
Hmm... A technique I should probably learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
You were right, I was wrong.
Xei, you were right and I was wrong, your a super genius in quantum physics and life and I should learn to be a pessimist, after all, if we are all the same, our feeble minds won't rage wars against anything different - because we are all the same! :) // Also don't judge someone online, you never know who they are or their skillsets. I could be Kevin Mitnick for all you know, and in that case you would have quite a problem on your hands - and your judging me based off of our argument, a small fragment in my life I will never remember.
Artelis, I'm sorry, you were right and I was wrong. // Doesn't make up for the fact I'm going to troll you whenever I see you.
A Roxxor, you can't spell "Rocker" so don't speak to me about proper grammar. // Though you did teach me a valuable lesson, it was a habit of mine, thanks.
LikesToTrip, you're my new best friend, I don't need to apologize because you can read my mental thoughts I am sending out. :)
Snoop, you were right and I was wrong, our world is obviously limited and all the societies that exist that study such subjects are all dumb regardless of the fact they are made up of the smartest humans in history. As Artelis end his sentence with, "Obviously".
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Originally Posted by Will1
>'Your' rather than 'You're' is a grammatical mistake
>You fail
Do you understand now?
Hmmm? DO YOU?
I completely agree with you on the quantum physics science, Will. Together we can nail the rest. ;)
According to quantum physics, everything is happening all the time. Therefore,.. pyrokinesis. Unfortunately (for pyrokinetic quantum physicists such as myself), in attempting to simplify quantum mechanics into layman's terms, it is often lost in the simplification that when a particle's wave-functions collapses into a singular possibility from its original state of all of the current physical possibilities, the particle actually collapses into ALL possibilities, thus causing, for example, the electron screen in the double slit experiment to be completely lit up after only one electron is passed through the slits. To see that the entire screen is lit up from just one electron, just watch any video explaining the double slit experiment, such as Dr. Quantum's video. Therefore, it follows from the experiment that since all possibilities occur in our universe when a particle collapses, it is possible to do pyrokinesis. Will understands all of this because he has earned a 4-year degree in quantum physics; sadly, the rest of you have not.
I know I'm not helping myself by saying this, but I never said that :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by MindGames
You're still proving my point your close minded. I fail? Why are you trying to insult me and bring me down as if you know me? Hell, you don't know me. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
Suddenly everybody is a quantum physicist.
Well, even so, you do have a lot of knowledge (4 years worth) in Quantum Physics. However, I still don't understand the processes by which an electron splits into infinite electrons when it is passed through the double slit. Do you happen to know by chance? It does seem to be a rather fundamental concept. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
I'm outta here lol
I could've swore you explained it in your last post but okay lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MindGames
Well it'd be hard to word, but what quantum physicists have found is that the electron splits into infinite electrons when an observer isn't present, however, when the observer is present it goes back to behaving like a normal electron - which basically proved when your not around everything is everywhere but when your around it snaps back into place. Thoughts have been shown to have influence over these objects too. Like the experiment with water molecules when they brought in a monk to bless it and it had different shapes based on the mood, which Xei has said was a fraud but failed to deliver a source.
Of course, it's okay for you not to give sources, and tell people to be open minded, but when other people do it isn't evidence that they're being open minded, it's evidence that they're wrong. ._.
Here you can read about some of the lies in that film:
What the Bleep Do We Know!? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You appear to have gotten a lot of your misinformation that you stick to, such as the 10% brain thing, from this source. Apparently having an open mind means 'having an open mind to stuff you want to hear'. You have clearly done zero research into the possibility that the information might be wrong. This is called 'confirmation bias', and their strict avoidance of this is what makes a scientist infinitely more open minded than you'll ever be.
There's lots of stuff here that shows that Emoto's results were nonsense.
Masaru Emoto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He also sells water which is supposedly magical or whatever, so he's also a con-artist. A good person to learn from.
By his own admission his results were nonsense. What he said he did was make people focus various emotions on water, then take pictures of the water, and then publish those pictures if they seemed to match the emotion and throwing out any that did not aesthetically match it. If you can't see how ridiculous this is then you are lost.
Your the one disputing what we're saying, you should've expected to give sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Those were academic responses and claims they have made against the film, no proof against it. (Though I don't dispute that their claims are incorrect)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
There you go again with purposely targeting me. You dare use the word "infinite" when you tried to dispute that it exists earlier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
And I've already responded to the 10% myth, you'll have to go back a few posts. Quick question, do you think your using your full potential regardless of what the statistics say?
As I said, modern day scientists are the most close minded people in the world, quit looking at them through rose-tinted glasses. You think Einstein had it easy when he was introducing his theories to the world? No, scientists gave him crap for it and guess what? He was right. Don't talk to me about scientists being open minded.
I never heard of that man in my life, and I don't know where you found him. Do you get all your info from Wikipedia by the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
It was a minor sector of "What the Bleep Do We Know", I didn't pay attention to it nearly as much as everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I'd appreciate if you all stop trying to do the personal attacks, trolling, and few worded posts just to offend anyone with a different opinion. It's not cool, and you only make yourself look immature. Don't quote my previous posts and say "Well, you were trolling", because I was only defending myself/case.
No, I'll repost this,
Call me a troll all you like, but know that the next time you ignore the above with anybody else you will be infracted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
To respond to your post: you called me out on not giving a source for the water thing. I linked you directly to a source but you're so willingly close minded you couldn't even read the first line of the article to find out that Emoto's results were the results you were talking about. -_-
How can you possibly say Einstein was ignored? Einstein was a scientist for chrissakes, you can't invoke him as an example of the close mindedness of scientists! And his ideas are universally accepted by scientists? Do you have a mote of evidence for what you said, or are you making it up on the spot? The scientific evidence that special relativity was required was found and accepted before Einstein. As you're an expert, no doubt you'll be able to recall the basic facts, such as what this experiment was? Yeah, right.
All you did is personally attack me again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You fail to see how your trolling and now your trying to threatening and singling me out with your mod powers? I see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
That's not close minded, that's me overhearing the name - I assumed that was who you were talking about, but for the sake of simplicity I worded it the way I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Another personal assault, and you're wrong and you're giving me crap on how much I don't know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Albert Einstein was the laughing stalk of all scientists, and he was threatened on multiple occasions because close minded moron scientists who don't like change didn't like what he was doing.
cracked.com/article_18822_5-famous-scientists-dismissed-as-morons-in-their-time_p2.html
In fact, look at those 5 famous scientists who were dismissed as crackpots in their time by the close minded science community, the very community you called open minded. It's highly laughable you tried to antagonize me and you don't have your basic facts right.
Now, would you like to keep the peace or would you like to continue your personal assaults and I inform another staff member of your actions? Your actions from the very beginning weren't right, and ever since you been in this thread your goal was to troll us.
I tried to keep the peace, and all you and your friends did is try to destroy it with personal insults and harmful remarks.
It's okay, I've already informed another staff member for you.
It's pretty funny you think Cracked.com is a reliable source. It's a humour website which regularly makes stuff up to try to be funny. Did you even read the article though!? Because it doesn't support anything you said! It's talking about the cosmological constant, which was indeed introduced for mistaken reasons and Einstein himself called it the biggest blunder of his career.
Thank you, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Does that take away from what I said? I was still correct that Einstein's was heckled for being different, and wasn't accepted into the community for a long time due to close minded scientists. The very people you called open minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I would like to thank you for contacting another staff member, I would like them to see...
// TrollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Xei
All in one post, surprisingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
5 minutes after trolling us... \/\/Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You trolled us some more! Why not add some icing to the cake, Scotty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Whoo! Now we're getting it baking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Indeed, Scotty, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
You can't see me! (Waving hands in front of face)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Personally threatening me and trolling me all in one post! Bravo. That was brilliant, I must admit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Scotty, quick, grab the camera!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Whoo! Antagonize someone who claims to have a background in computer security, you better hope you were right or that's your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Oh... All the above was clearly not trolling, and your buddies certainly didn't troll me either, eh? Even when Artelis was practically bragging about how well you trolled me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
What would you say if people with genuine qualifications on the subject told you that you were talking nonsense, I wonder.Quote:
Xei, you were right and I was wrong, your a super genius in quantum physics
Then I wouldn't care because I would be learning instead of getting trolled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
I graciously accept advice/information, but trolling is unacceptable in my view.
If you have a problem, then post it in the "Talk to Staff" forum. A thread is for discussing the topic of the thread. Normally I'd infract you as you're now threatening to hack me despite my warning that threatening to hack anybody again wouldn't be tolerated, but honestly I have no idea if I'm allowed to do that.
See, Xei? Quantum physics allows particles to TRANSCEND the law of conservation of energy. Quantum physics says "fuck you, general relativity!" Clearly you do not know what you are up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will1
One thing I know is that the conservation of energy isn't actually violated by quantum physics. Can you define energy?
That's not what you were saying when I was getting trolled and was peaceful about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I never threatened you, you twisted the words around. I may have implied it, but what the hell did you expect when you antagonize someone despite the hint? And you certainly implied how you were gonna infraction me all while trolling me, only for playing the game you created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Indestructible, impossible to create, simply 'exists', infinite, constantly changes form, no real definition to it I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Alright. First: my qualifications. I studied degree level Chemistry, which covers the interactions of matter and energy, and chemical changes they undergo. That places fire right in my domain. Additionally, I also had to study quantum mechanics as part of the course (along with many other things).Quote:
Then I wouldn't care because I would be learning instead of getting trolled.
I graciously accept advice/information, but trolling is unacceptable in my view.
A fire is what happens when a fuel combusts in the presence of an oxidiser. These various reactions are extensively studied through a variety of techniques.Quote:
How do you know the thing that sets things on fire is in the physical plane?
Every single chemical reaction involves the transfer of energy, a physical phenomenon, which is measurable. Even if the source if the energy is unknown, it is possible to detect, and it would be trivial to design an experiment to do this. It's also nonsensical to suggest that a physical phenomenon is a result of stuff 'not on the physical plane' (whatever the hell that means).
For Pyrokinesis to be possible, it would have to involve the energy transfer from the mind to an external object. Regardless of the mechanism, this would be easy to observe.
Well according to Will's explanation, the double slit experiment has CLEARLY shown that it is in violation of this law, since the electron splits into infinite electrons for the amount of time that you are not consciously looking at the experiment. Since there are infinite electrons creared from one, the electron screen shows that the electron impacted the screen at every possible point from shooting just one electron, which is seen in any basic double slit demonstration. As I'm sure Will is aware of with his extensive experience. :shadewink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Ah, you couldn't go through a whole post without insulting me, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Well I have one question for you, what do you think happens when you die?
I advise you to look into the "Rosicrucians" - Their society utilizes Telekinesis in their courses (It's just a natural thing, nothing magical about it), and if you believe it's nonsensical to believe in these things maybe you should take a step back and look again. The Rosicrucians, they are made up of some of the most scholarly people in the world, and use telekinesis in their studies. You may continue believing it's false, but just know these people have done more studying than you ever have and still believe/use it. They are such an ancient society they date all the way back to Pythagoras and ancient Egypt. (Mystery Schools.)
If you think I'm fibbing, look them up, many of the U.S. founding fathers were Rosicrucian's also. (And/or freemasons.)
I probably should've started out with them, but I figured I shouldn't put too many eggs in one basket ;)
Thermodynamics aside, the fact that if this were true would mean the creation of an infinite amount of mass would have destroyed the planet by creating a black hole. I think it's pretty safe to say this hasn't happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by MindGames
Even with a massless particle like a photon, that would still result in an infinite amount of energy.
If you think the double slit experiment allows the creation of an infinite number of particles, then frankly you have no idea what you're on about. Wave-particle duality makes no such claims.
Irrelevant to the topic.Quote:
Well I have one question for you, what do you think happens when you die?
Ah, appeal to authority at its finest. Peer reviewed scientific evidence please, not telling me to look up about secret societies.Quote:
I advise you to look into the "Rosicrucians" [...] they are made up of some of the most scholarly people in the world, and use telekinesis in their studies.
When you've thoroughly investigated what he's actually on about, you can dismiss his claims. Until then, you're just ignoring something which could be legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Ah yes, but obviously that is based on general relativity. Quantum physics clearly states that it does not apply to classical black hole physics. Also you are forgetting that QM transcends general relativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Simple. Consciousness prevents this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Take a look at the electron screen in the double slit experiment. It shows that an infinite number electrons appear on the screen, as Will explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Photolysis
Disprove this all you want, but at least I can shoot flames out of my hands.
Your interpretation of the double slit experiment is completely wrong. The idea that an electron can split into infinite electrons is completely made up. The double slit experiment proves an electron can act as a wave, and thus go through both slits at the same time, but it is still only one electron. Stop trying to use an experiment you don't even understand to try to prove something as ridiculous as telekinesis...
Seriously. Stop referring to some theories here and just provide the proof that it is possible. We don't need no theories yet.
First, you prove that you can do it. Then, we eliminate all other possible causes. Then we decide to find out how it works.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_data_so_far.png
Can you prove this absurd claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
This thread just continues to bring out the worst in members even after deleted posts. It's a wrap guys.
Lets clear up the electron slit experiment misunderstandings.
In this experiment, when the electron is not observed, it does not split into infinite electrons. Under these conditions, essentially there is no electron. The energy of the 'electron' behaves like a wave that creates an interference pattern. When the electron is observed, it then exists as a particle (an electron is a particle) and behaves like one; i.e. it doesn't create an interference pattern. No change in energy is ever observed.