Plus, we evolved through the years. |
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I don't believe life has any purpose, beyond what we set ourselves. So, if an immortal beings considers his existence worthless, he's right. If he thinks its meaningful he's also right. And no, we probably wouldn't be human anymore, but, as Sageous said, would that be a bad thing? Especially considering the large amount of genetic variation we already have amongst the species. |
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Plus, we evolved through the years. |
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I couldn't tell you. It seems to me that it is both in our nature to strive for improvement and to retain what makes us who we are. |
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Very good point, Dutchraptor. |
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I suppose its just a difference in ideologies, then, Dutchraptor. I'm an anti-nihilist, you seem to be a nihilist. I doubt we'll find any way (or reason, for that matter) to change each others' perspectives, but as long as we at least understand the others' views. |
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Here's the thing, when you die, you lose fear, you lose feelings. It is like an eternal sleep. It is not scary, but like an eternal shutdown. Do you remember anything before being born? It is like that. |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
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I do understand the point, I just disagree with it. Its like lucid dreaming. We enjoy it, so we try to have it as much as possible. I feel the same about life and existing; I enjoy life, I want more of it. I can't (by sheer definition) enjoy nothingness so it is to be ignored or (since it prohibits me from enjoying life) outright avoided. And just because you can't feel fear at the time, doesn't make the concept any less scary for me. |
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Stress is reduced by knowledge of death, but really stress is reduced by knowledge that all factors creating stress are temporary and meaningless. You don't necessarily need death to find that. I mean, change itself creates the same realization of how precious the present moment is. Nothing lasts forever so enjoy your experiences while you have them. Take nothing for granted. If you can do that and still cling to immortality, fine. I don't care for immortality because, and I'm just as selfish as the next guy. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
Why is immortality selfishness? |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
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You yourself called it selfish. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
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I'm actually a nihilist, and I do kinda share the "I only live because my body wants to" mindset of dutchraptor, but that's really because I'm currently trapped in the depressing, monotonous, gruelling hell that is my junior year of high school. |
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Louai, O.P.: |
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Oh, I adore this kind of threads and I absolutely love OP's responses. |
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Wisdom is not created alone through time. In fact, the inevitability of death and ignorance of what lies beyond it are powerful conditions for creating wisdom. One can live 500 years and not gain the same wisdom one would gain through 5 years dealing with cancer. Even if you live a million years, without the proper conditions present you'll still never gain the proper lessons. Not unless you simulated them, perhaps by creating virtual reality and wiping your mind of any prior knowledge to your experiences within it in order to simulate the experience of mortality. And how do you know that's not, essentially, what this is in the first place? |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I like the above posts, alot, all of them, and agreed! But I have a thing to state(you won't like it): |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
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Yes, wisdom is not created by time alone -- just as it is not created by "the inevitability of death and ignorance of what lies beyond" alone. Yes, those are powerful conditions for creating wisdom, but must they be the only ones? |
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Hmmmm... I assure you wisdome is created by much more factors than fear and suffering. Love, happiness, joy, extacy, jeliousy, etc. All create experiences that bring wisdome with them. Philosophy is the most effective tool, especially for the deep wisdome, bcz it does revolve around knowledge and understanding about many deep elements of life. Really suffering is great for wisdom, but not the only great one(I personally love philosophy) |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
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Forgive me if I came off simplistic. By not living for eons, we also miss out on that experience and thus that type of wisdom. Wisdom is experiential learning, each unique experience brings its own wisdom. It's not a simple quantity, you cannot simply have more of it than another person, for they gained the wisdom of their unique experience and you gained the wisdom of yours. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
Yeah, I've gotta go with Louai here. Surely the more you have lived the more wisdom you can accumulate. And I'm pretty sure you can have more wisdom than another person. A man who has lived for a century, assuming his mind is still sound, is wiser than an infant who died not long after childbirth. |
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You do not accumulate wisdom without experience. You do not accumulate certain, specific wisdom without certain, specific experience. You gain a certain type of a wisdom from being a boy and a certain type of wisdom from being a girl. You gain a certain type of wisdom from owning up to death and facing it and living with it, while you could gain a lot of different certain types of wisdom from never having to die. Humans in LOTR live with a different wisdom than an elf, but an elf gains a lot more different experiences and different wisdom. However, you cannot make the claim that more time creates better wisdom than less time for the same reason that you couldn't claim the wisdom of being a boy would be better than the wisdom of being a girl. |
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Last edited by Original Poster; 02-06-2014 at 11:24 PM.
Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
^^ Well said, but I'm not sure you're allowing for the scale of immortality (though you did sort of mention it). The range of potential experience available to an "immortal" would certainly outpace any range we can encounter in 80 yrs, even if you include some sort of hard-wiring of an understanding of as-yet unexperiencd experience. A person living for centuries or millennia will have enough time to explore places, lifestyles, and undiscovered countries that surpass anything that could be experienced in one lifetime. I would imagine that an immortal could become quite wise without ever even considering the wisdom gained from the mortal human condition; I could easily imagine that an immortal would never get around to simulating ephemeral human conditions, as there would be more than enough to learn without that input. |
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I speak of potentials, too, obviously. Most people live their entire lives without ever being aware that such a meditation exists that I linked to in my post above, let alone actually reading it, and far from practicing it. |
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Last edited by Original Poster; 02-07-2014 at 03:43 AM.
Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
^^ Well said again, and I see your point. I don't, of course, agree, but I see it. Any more said will just be reptitition, I fear, so, until next time! |
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