Thread: oneiroer's workbook

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Thanks CanisLucidus. Sorry to hear about your granfather. Both of mine are dead but my grandmas are still alive . I'm about to take a nap....Hopefully it will be a lucid one!

I appreciate that, my friend, and I'm sorry as well. We all go through it, but it's never an easy thing. For me it's been many years since he passed.

Enjoy the time with your grandmas! Grandparents are a real treasure.

Awesome, I hope you had good luck on that lucid nap! Lucid naps are something that I really need to get better. Gab is the queen of those. She gets these crazy long DEILD chains when she naps!

I didn't have luck with the nap but I had a pretty intense dreamis morning. I was focusing on my desire to have an obe but a ld was a result. I think desire is key for me to have a luciddeam. In the dream I saw a friend I know. I saw his teeth and they looked nasty. Then I had an intense desire to be with my gf. Then i had a good sensation on my back like i was growing wings. Then I thought I heard a loud rumble of noise. It was a pretty intense dream.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I didn't have luck with the nap but I had a pretty intense dreamis morning. I was focusing on my desire to have an obe but a ld was a result. I think desire is key for me to have a luciddeam. In the dream I saw a friend I know. I saw his teeth and they looked nasty. Then I had an intense desire to be with my gf. Then i had a good sensation on my back like i was growing wings. Then I thought I heard a loud rumble of noise. It was a pretty intense dream.

Ah great! That's just as good. It doesn't when you get lucid -- all that matters is making it happen.

I completely agree that desire is key. Awareness matters a lot, but I'm coming to believe that intent is every bit as important. Wanting it to happen and believing that it will happen to the point that your mind remembers to make it happen at the critical moment... this is a huge piece of the puzzle. Great work.

I also like that you had wings growing from your back like that. This may be something you want to repeat some time! I don't recall whether you've had much experience with flying, but growing your own set of wings would be an incredibly cool way to explore this. I've wanted to grow wings for flight at some point but just never gotten around to doing it.

I like it! Keep up the good work.

Thanks CanisLucidus. As a side note I think from that dream my body was still asleep when I woke up again. I think I also might have slept on my arms too. Is that sleep paralysis when my body is still asleep? Can I do anything with that? Like a WILD or something? I'll try but I don't remember how got to the point where I felt the good sensations on my back. It just happened. Maybe it was the desire to be with my gf. Edit: Oh yea I forgot I've had a little experience flying but I'm not too good at it yet. It's something I want to improve.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Thanks CanisLucidus. As a side note I think from that dream my body was still asleep when I woke up again. I think I also might have slept on my arms too. Is that sleep paralysis when my body is still asleep? Can I do anything with that? Like a WILD or something?

That's interesting. I have never experienced sleep paralysis (defining "sleep paralysis" as being awake during REM atonia.) I have dreamed that I had sleep paralysis, though. But never the real thing.

My best suggestion is to treat it as an opportunity for an OBE-style lucid dream. Try to will yourself to get out of bed or roll out of bed without using your muscles. Imagine that you are already getting up, that your feet are moving to the floor, and that you are rising out of bed. Floating out of the body is another popular choice.

One thing that I tried (with some success, but the dream evaporated) was to imagine growing a new head, torso, arms, etc. and having them emerge from this other, paralyzed dream body. That could be another thing to try.

The experience of this dreamed paralysis state isn't something that repeats often for me -- only had it happen twice! So it may be a while for you as well. You just never know!

Ok Thanks again CanisLucidus I'll try those.

I just got up from a dream where a edit: female dream character told me I just wanted sex...Makes me wonder if dream characters can give me knowledge if I talk to them. I felt uncomfortable saying that but I don't remember if that was my intention or not. I'm going to try talking to dream characters when I meet them. I also went on a little journey by dreaming in levels like I've read before in a book. I got to level 2 I think and at one point I felt like my body was being pushed/taken somewhere. I remember a freeway and looking down from it. I wanted to go to the future and realized I could go anywhere in time but I was lost on how to do it. I also wanted to see myself in the future and see if my gf and I were doing ok. Pretty interesting dream, I thought. Edit: there was also an obe sort of class going on and i didn't think my gf would be into that sort of thing but she showed up and said yeah I would, or something similar. A lot seemed to happened in that dream or dreams. Edit: Sometimes my dreams make me confused... like this one had a bunch of ideas and when I woke up I thought I might still be dreaming, but I was awake...

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Sometimes my dreams make me confused... like this one had a bunch of ideas and when I woke up I thought I might still be dreaming, but I was awake...

Hah that IS weird. Like the opposite of a false awakening

As far as the freeway dream, I wonder if you could have used it, or a car let's say, to act as a time machine. I like to use whatever objects are around me to do my bidding in a lucid dream. Like for example, I wanted to go to a prehistoric ocean, and all I had summoned was a present day lake. So I found an inflatable raft that was already on the lake, and got inside, and imagined it was a tiny submarine. I pushed imaginary buttons on the side with a made up combination, all the while thinking of going to a prehistoric ocean and it worked.

There are simpler versions of this technique of course, but I find it's handy to just use objects already around me to get what I want. Some dreamers can do everything they want in a lucid by just thinking it, but I'm not quite there yet!

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I just got up from a dream where a edit: female dream character told me I just wanted sex...Makes me wonder if dream characters can give me knowledge if I talk to them. I felt uncomfortable saying that but I don't remember if that was my intention or not. I'm going to try talking to dream characters when I meet them.

At the very least, it's great fun asking DCs questions. I can honestly say that I've rarely failed to get an interesting reply, particularly if I pick the right DC. When you're lucid, you will run into certain dream characters that seem really, really fleshed out and just sort of there. Like they're highly intelligent inhabitants of the dream space rather than simple automatons.

Robert Waggoner recommends trying to ask the dream itself a question. When I tried this, I failed to get a response. I did have good luck finding an interesting DC and asking her to "tell me something important". It was a really cool experience, actually. Here's how it went down for me: The Dinosaur Petting Zoo - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Oh, and as for the DC that accused you of just wanting That Thing? Don't worry about this. During dreams (especially non-lucid dreams), much of your prefrontal cortex is inactive. This leaves your inhibitions and judgment severely impaired.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

there was also an obe sort of class going on and i didn't think my gf would be into that sort of thing but she showed up and said yeah I would, or something similar. A lot seemed to happened in that dream or dreams. Edit: Sometimes my dreams make me confused... like this one had a bunch of ideas and when I woke up I thought I might still be dreaming, but I was awake...

Sounds like a really cool night of dreaming! I especially like that OBE class. Maybe your girlfriend will take an interest in dreaming after all. I've had no luck at all with my wife. But to my great surprise my 3-year-old son has taken a tremendous interest in dreams and has (as best I can tell) even had a handful of lucids! So you just never know with this stuff.

Thanks for your resposes OpheliaBlue and CanisLucidus!

@OpheliaBlue: I think next time I'm on a freeway if I'm not in a car already I'll try to summon one and try to time travel. I guess it would be like Back to the future!
@CanisLucidus: Thanks for the info!

Gonna try a WBTB now. Just got up from REM I think but I barley remember anything from the dream. I think I need to work on my dream recall again.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Gonna try a WBTB now. Just got up from REM I think but I barley remember anything from the dream. I think I need to work on my dream recall again.

Do you mean that you woke up for WBTB and don't remember before then? Don't feel bad -- there are often mornings where I wake up for WBTB and haven't gotten any dreams yet. When you're heading into a WBTB, your best dreaming is usually still ahead of you.

How did everything end up going?

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Do you mean that you woke up for WBTB and don't remember before then? Don't feel bad -- there are often mornings where I wake up for WBTB and haven't gotten any dreams yet. When you're heading into a WBTB, your best dreaming is usually still ahead of you.

How did everything end up going?

Yes. I didn't remember before then. Ok, cool! I didn't have a lucid dream that time but I'll keep practicing and I want to do WILDS eventually. May I ask how you personally do your WILDS? I was looking at some of your posts on my profile and you said something like you've been doing them. I'd like to achieve WILDS myself!

Hi oneiroer. How are you? I can't speak for CL but I like using a variation of LaBerges Twin Bodies Technique. I don't know if you have a copy but here it is.

THE TWIN BODIES TECHNIQUE
1. Relax completely
After awakening from a dream, lie on your back or right side with your eyes gently closed.
Tighten and then relax your face and head, neck, back, arms, and legs. Completely let go of all
muscular and mental tension, and breathe slowly and calmly. Enjoy the feeling of relaxation
and affirm your intention to consciously enter the dream state; let go of all other thoughts,
worries, and concerns.
2. Focus on your body
Now focus your attention on your physical body. Use the 61-point relaxation exercise (page 54)
to pass your attention from one part of your body to the next, recur-rently going through all
points. As you do, notice how your body feels at each point along the way. Watch for signs of
strange sensations, vibrations, and distortions of your body image. These are the harbingers of
REM sleep paralysis. Eventually you will experience sensations like those described above
which will rapidly develop into complete paralysis of your physical body. At this stage you are
ready to leave your paralyzed body behind and to enter the dream world in your dream body.
3. Leave your body and enter the dream
As soon as you feel that your physical body is in a profound state of sleep paralysis, you are
ready to go. Remember that your currently paralyzed physical body has a magical, move-able
twin, that is, your dream body, and that you can just as easily experience yourself as being in
one body as the other. Indeed, except for occasional lucid periods, you rarely even notice that
every night your dream body plays the role of its “twin, “ your physical body. Now imagine
yourself embodied in your airy dream body and imagine what it would feel like to float or roll
out of your earthbound twin. Let yourself peel free of the immobile physical body. Jump, fall,
or crawl out of bed. Sit up or sink through the floor. Fly through the ceiling, or just get up. Now
you’re in the world of lucid dreaming.
Commentary
As soon as you “step out of bed, “ you should recognize that you are truly a stranger in a
strange land. Remember that you are in a dream body and that everything around you is a
dream thing too. That includes the bed you just got out of: it’s a dream bed. And the “sleeping
body”
you also just got out of, although you were thinking of it a moment ago as a physical
body; now it’s a dream body too. Everything you see is your dream.
If you believe that you are floating around the physical world in your “astral” body, then I ask
you to make a critical observation or two and perform a few state tests. Here are three
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examples: (1) try reading the same pas-sage from a book twice; (2) look at a digital watch, look
away, then look back a few seconds later; (3) try finding and reading this paragraph, and draw
your own conclu-sions!

There's also One body and no body, but I think you get the picture.

Originally Posted by Xanous

Hi oneiroer. How are you? I can't speak for CL but I like using a variation of LaBerges Twin Bodies Technique. I don't know if you have a copy but here it is.



There's also One body and no body, but I think you get the picture.

Hey Xanous! I'm good. You? Cool! Thank you. I'll give it a go and I actually have a copy of the book. I just haven't read that far because I'm trying to get at least 12 dreams logged in my dream journal like it says to do before I can work on my dream signs. I guess I'm trying to fly before I learn to walk in the dreamworld but I'm already experiencing lucid dreams every once in a while just not as many as I want. I get spontaneous LDs once in a while. Edit: Oops sorry for repeating myself...

Cool NP. I'm good. There's nothing wrong with taking it slow. Just move on as you feel comfortable. Good luck.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Yes. I didn't remember before then. Ok, cool! I didn't have a lucid dream that time but I'll keep practicing and I want to do WILDS eventually. May I ask how you personally do your WILDS? I was looking at some of your posts on my profile and you said something like you've been doing them. I'd like to achieve WILDS myself!

I'm really glad that Xanous chimed in because it helps illustrate how differently people approach WILD. Xanous is a very seasoned WILDer and his approach often leads to OBE-style WILDs that take place in the room you fall asleep in.

I do WILD a little differently. If I can get into a mood where I am quietly aware, I'll sometimes find myself observing a lot of interesting hypnagogic imagery. These are the shapes, colors, and even half-dreams you sometimes see while falling asleep.

When I am in just the right frame of mind, I can keep my mind conscious and just calmly observe as these images take shape. It's a delicate balance between staying mindful and self-aware on one hand... and on the other hand letting this process unfold without interfering. Eventually the scenes will become more and more focused, convincing, and coherent.

At this point, I'll generally try to "will" myself to physically interact with the environment. I am careful to never attempt to move my body or my muscles. I just know that I'm touching the ground or waving my arms, or that I'm just physically there. If all of this goes well, I'll find myself in a dream scene!

One tip I can give is to try starting with DEILD (the dream exit induced lucid dream) technique. This is when you attempt to immediately perform a WILD after having a micro-awakening from another dream. This is the simplest possible version of WILD to perform. Even though the technique takes practice, I think of it as a "WILD on easy mode". It's a great way to learn the feel of a WILD in the most forgiving environment possible.

If you've got any interest in DEILD, here are a couple of great guides:
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...me-ld-god.html
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...me-ld-god.html

Thanks CanisLucidus! I'm interested and I'll check those out later.

Gonna attempt a WILD early today using a fan and WBTB. I'm listening to the WILD and DEILD dreamviews podcast... Almost ready for sleep...

Originally Posted by oneiroer

Gonna attempt a WILD early today using a fan and WBTB. I'm listening to the WILD and DEILD dreamviews podcast... Almost ready for sleep...

Yes, those podcasts are great for inspiration! I like to have old episodes on in the background if I'm lifting before bed and want to try to really raise my chances of having an LD. They're filled with good info and really help get lucid dreaming on the brain.

Good luck!!

One more poem then back to the homework in this class. That's enough goofing off for me... I need to get back into remembering my dreams!

I forgot my dreams.
A dreamer's block,
if you will.

My desire returns.

I focus.
I meditate.

Will I dream tonight? Today?

I do believe!
I will see, hear, smell, taste, feel,
the dream world once more.

I will experience it again and again.
No more will I neglect it.

It's here.
Waiting to be explored.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

One more poem then back to the homework in this class. That's enough goofing off for me... I need to get back into remembering my dreams!

Nice, man! That's how you get that inspiration back! Do you ever read any of these poems or recite them in your head during your WBTB time? The thoughts you express in here are precisely the sort of things you'd want to have going through your head when you're preparing to LD.

Maybe leave off the first 3 lines just in case your subconscious gets confused. LOL. Seriously, though, it's great that you're focusing your desire for an LD into art like this. I don't do much besides drone in my own head about how badly I want to LD. This is a much more interesting form of expression.

Originally Posted by oneiroer

I forgot my dreams.
A dreamer's block,
if you will.

My desire returns.

I focus.
I meditate.

Will I dream tonight? Today?

I do believe!
I will see, hear, smell, taste, feel,
the dream world once more.

I will experience it again and again.
No more will I neglect it.

It's here.
Waiting to be explored.

Ah! I really like this!

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Nice, man! That's how you get that inspiration back! Do you ever read any of these poems or recite them in your head during your WBTB time? The thoughts you express in here are precisely the sort of things you'd want to have going through your head when you're preparing to LD.

Maybe leave off the first 3 lines just in case your subconscious gets confused. LOL. Seriously, though, it's great that you're focusing your desire for an LD into art like this. I don't do much besides drone in my own head about how badly I want to LD. This is a much more interesting form of expression.

Thanks! No but I think I'll start tonight! Ok, thanks again!