Thread: I am so FUCKING DISGUSTED right now...

I send out my condolences, and I just want to say that I can identify with your feelings. A few years ago, a girl who went to my school was raped and murdered, and then the man shot himself afterwards. It's a feeling of such utter disgust, hatred and anger, but with a sense of hopelessness, because there's nothing you can do.... If someone I knew got raped or hurt by someone else, and that person was still walking free, I would feel completely obligated to make it my job to find that person before the cops do as well, because people like that just disgust me. There is no form of justice that can deal with that, there's just nothing that can ever bring back that person, or help their mental trauma.... Such a shame that people like that still exist in our world.

Your friend and her daughter are lucky to have you as a friend. I'm sure you'll help them in any way you can.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It looks to me like some of you are starting to relate to my lack of sympathy for "tortured" terrorists and executed murderers of the innocent. Where were you when it was me against everybody in those threads?

The difference is that no one knows for sure that those tortured for information are actually guilty or suspected of being guilty. But let's not go down that argumentative road again.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

They had to shoot a drunk man in the arm just to capture him. He was running away, so I presume he wasn't armed/resisting particularly well.
That doesn't sound like overly effective work to me.

I don't know the full play-by-play about their shooting him or why. I was just told through text, and I haven't had a chance to talk to her since then, so I'm not exactly sure how it happened.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

While I do not agree with nor share the violence expressed here toward the monster who commited this horrific crime, I understand that people need to vent their darkest emotions regarding such. It's a healthy outlet in trying to come to terms with the monstrosities of society.

This should not be the place to pass judgment on the releasing of those emotions.
I feel, if people want to discuss why they feel retaliation against the man is unjust and perpetuates more violence, then they should take it to another thread.
To debate the pros and cons of punishing, torturing or killing the man in THIS thread, seems a greater injustice toward the girl, her family and Oneironaut. Why focus on his "rights" HERE.

Let people vent their rage so they can work through it and be more supportive of the ones who truly warrant our attention.

Sorry if this advice is offensive or unwelcome. It's not my intention to step on anyone's toes or speak out of turn. But having been a victim of sexual abuse myself (though not nearly to extent of this poor child), it ??? upsets? angers? annoys? me when the crime becomes more about the criminal than the victim.

*slinks off into the shadows*

Nah, your post isn't unwelcome at all, Zhaylin. I'm of two minds about the whole thing, really. Part of my wants to break the guys face in six places, and could very well be capable of torture, but another part of me is so restrained that I honestly don't know what I'd do if I found him. I don't really think I would lose control enough to beat the man within an inch of his life, but the rage is there. The possibility would be there. But would I actually go through it? I honestly don't know.

Originally Posted by Bayside

I send out my condolences, and I just want to say that I can identify with your feelings. A few years ago, a girl who went to my school was raped and murdered, and then the man shot himself afterwards. It's a feeling of such utter disgust, hatred and anger, but with a sense of hopelessness, because there's nothing you can do.... If someone I knew got raped or hurt by someone else, and that person was still walking free, I would feel completely obligated to make it my job to find that person before the cops do as well, because people like that just disgust me. There is no form of justice that can deal with that, there's just nothing that can ever bring back that person, or help their mental trauma.... Such a shame that people like that still exist in our world.

Yeah, that's one thing we were talking about, was how often crimes of this type end up in murder, and how lucky she was that her daughter survived. My friend feels really guilty because she thought it was ok for her daughter to be home alone for that short amount of time, because she had to go to work and her daughter had to go to school, but the police think that the guy had been watching their routine for some time. He knew exactly when he'd have his opportunity, and knew that taking pills was part of the girl's regular regiment - which is probably the scariest thing.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Your friend and her daughter are lucky to have you as a friend. I'm sure you'll help them in any way you can.

Thanks, man. And thanks for the concern, everyone. It's much less needed for me, because I was just enraged for a while, but I just still feel so bad for my friend and her daughter. She's told me that, since then, how timid and withdrawn her daughter has been, and it's hearing stuff like that that just makes me so furious. I know it will be hard, but I just hope the girl is strong enough to get through it and lead a normal, otherwise happy, life.

For fucks sake...

I hope it turns out the best possible way for her...

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

The difference is that no one knows for sure that those tortured for information are actually guilty or suspected of being guilty. But let's not go down that argumentative road again.

I should tell you that I wasn't trying to argue with you. You were actually involved in those discussions. A lot of people in this thread seem to be coming out of the woodwork to talk about how victimizers need to suffer but did not participate in the threads which were about that.

I hope what he did to her happens to him many times in prison. That is one of the worst crimes one can commit. To me it is worse than something like a man killing someone after that guy slept with his wife.

This is why young girls should be educated about not letting adults not in the immediate family touch her and also about sex education.

I'm not really sure what to say

I hope everything gets better for you and the family. I'm very sorry for what has happened.

Originally Posted by kingofclutch

This is why young girls should be educated about not letting adults not in the immediate family touch her and also about sex education.

He drugged her. He could of turned very violent real fast if the poor child wasn't drugged and put up a huge fight.

Yeah... sometimes education and awareness do little to prevent certain crimes- especially against young children and teens who are (for the most part) naturally trusting. If someone breaks into a home and attacks while the person is sleeping or "groggy", there is probably not much time to do anything.
I've often wanted to give my kids "passwords" in case something happens to me and a stranger has to come to their rescue. In such a case, when the girl woke up and the guy said he was a friend of her mom's and to take her medicine, she could have asked "what's the password" or somesuch. BUT, if his true intentions had been discerned who knows how it could've ended. Maybe he would have killed her instead.

Also, for the record, in my earlier post I wasn't judging the anger and violence expressed here. I know it can serve as a healthy outlet. But then others came on here saying things like "violence is never the answer". Those were the posts I was speaking against. When someone is going through a tragedy the last thing they want or need to hear is "You shouldn't feel that way (i.e. castrating the bastard etc)." THOSE debates, I felt should have been taken elsewhere. I felt this was a thread for *support* and venting, not being chastized for chaotic or dark emotions.

Originally Posted by hellohihello

He drugged her. He could of turned very violent real fast if the poor child wasn't drugged and put up a huge fight.

I'm not saying to fight him. She may have had an opportunity to call 911 or her mother or just do something to get away. They need to know from a young age that it is completely wrong.

They seriously need worse punishments for this kind of shit. Like cutting off their nuts or something.

BTW, Sindred, if I were that policeman I'd have shot him more than just once.

Originally Posted by Souperman22

They seriously need worse punishments for this kind of shit. Like cutting off their nuts or something.

BTW, Sindred, if I were that policeman I'd have shot him more than just once.

They only castrate them if they have a insane offense if I remember correctly. Raping many girls at one time. Did you see why O said she is glad she didn't kill him? The inmates will kick his ass and buttrape him.

The problem is, it doesn't matter how much you try to educate children to protect them from this sort of thing you can never really cover all situations. Who would ever have thought someone would pretend to have her medication? Adults fool other adults all the time (eg confidence tricksters) so I guess it's pretty easy to fool a child.

The whole thing makes my me sick to my stomach

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

The problem is, it doesn't matter how much you try to educate children to protect them from this sort of thing you can never really cover all situations. Who would ever have thought someone would pretend to have her medication? Adults fool other adults all the time (eg confidence tricksters) so I guess it's pretty easy to fool a child.

The whole thing makes my me sick to my stomach

I'm not saying that it will protect your children from all situations. This particular situation may have been prevented by locking all windows and doors and having an alarm. I'm just saying that in some instances it could be prevented by education.

Oh I know I realise that. I just mean that it's sad that no matter how much you educate your children you can never cover all bases It's just horrible how unpredictable and coniving these sicko criminals are.

I wish, more than anything, that I could say that I am shocked by this news. But the horrible things that happen in the world just don't surprise me anymore. Every single goddamn night on the local news: "Two more people murdered in Salinas last night, suspected to be gang-related..." ; "Mother convicted of suffocating her two young children..." ; "Mutilated body of a young girl found by river, signs of sexual abuse..." And now this. Will this shit ever stop?

I used to be of the mindset that vengeance was a primitive, irrational emotion, and that forgiveness was divine. But how can anyone forgive the unforgivable? It's one thing to commit a heinous crime based off of desperate, "heat of the moment" type decision-making. It's quite another to, in blatant premeditation, not only sexually assault someone, but to use drugs to do it. That's pretty fucking despicable right there, no matter WHAT way you look at it. There's nothing that will excuse that.

All I can do is offer my prayers in the hopes that maybe one day, both your friend and her daughter can recover from this most loathsome series of events...as well as hope that there is a hell. Because if there is, that fucker will burn eternally.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Then there's the possiblity that the rapist is disturbed in the first place and not entirely accountable for his own actions.

Not to start anything, but even if that were the case, and he wasn't in complete control of his own actions, he is still responsible for said actions, and that's the point. That's why it rubs me the wrong way to watch court cases in which mothers who have murdered their children are basically let off the hook due to a ruling that deems them "unable to control their actions" and all that bullshit.

Originally Posted by Souperman22

BTW, Sindred, if I were that policeman I'd have shot him more than just once.

Nice one.

Originally Posted by Lëzen

Not to start anything, but even if that were the case, and he wasn't in complete control of his own actions, he is still responsible for said actions, and that's the point. That's why it rubs me the wrong way to watch court cases in which mothers who have murdered their children are basically let off the hook due to a ruling that deems them "unable to control their actions" and all that bullshit.

More that psychiatric considerations be taken into account than 'letting them off the hook'. No-one would suggest letting a rapist go just because they have a harmful pscyhological condition, but they might take into account the fact that a regular prison sentence would do more harm than good to them. As in, it would only exacerbate their condition and make rehabilitation into society more and more remote.

Liberal attack.

The thing is, a asshole he may be, he could of done far worse things Thank God he didn't.. What he did is absolutely disgusting though, but he could of kidnapped or even killed her. This is the closest "brightside" we will get though,

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

More that psychiatric considerations be taken into account than 'letting them off the hook'. No-one would suggest letting a rapist go just because they have a harmful pscyhological condition, but they might take into account the fact that a regular prison sentence would do more harm than good to them. As in, it would only exacerbate their condition and make rehabilitation into society more and more remote.

Then I guess we just have to either keep them locked up or kill them.

This is really fucked up.

Why would somebody even think about doing that? How could someone destroy someone's emotional stability, let alone a 12 year old's?

O', I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope it all turns out for the best.

Hi. Just wanted to say I agree with Clairity's assertion that words do not suffice here. Just a quick note: it is not ANYONE's place to damage someone for life like that, and, though I can't say I suggest outright violence, I hope that the bastard is repaid for it somehow. And, though it'll probably be lost, I AM very sorry.

i know violence isn't the answer but it would feel good to beat the crap out of someone who does that, and also have them killed. i am just saying what alot of people are thinking...
shit like this just sucks.

Actually, violence is an answer, but not a very good one. Logically, if someone's making a problem, you could beat the crap out of them and thell them to stop, or kill the problem maker, and then woah! No more problem.

But, it's not a very good answer, in most cases.

Then I guess we just have to either keep them locked up or kill them.

I submit that killing them is best, not only financially, but it completely eliminates the danger to society, and also is arguably more humane than locking them up for years. Plus if they're so insane that they're not accountable for their actions, then what kind of life would they have anyway?

Not to start anything, but even if that were the case, and he wasn't in complete control of his own actions, he is still responsible for said actions, and that's the point. That's why it rubs me the wrong way to watch court cases in which mothers who have murdered their children are basically let off the hook due to a ruling that deems them "unable to control their actions" and all that bullshit.

What I hate about it is that there are plenty of people who have difficulty controlling themselves, but they DO. If some person is provoking you, it can be very difficult to control yourself. If you do lose control, you're punished. If some other person fails to do so, they are deemed not accountable. The double standard annoys me, and it makes a mockery of justice when certain people are arbitrarily declared to be accountable or not.

And I agree, people are still responsible for their actions, regardless of whether they can control themselves.