Anyone ever use the Biotuner (Sota BT7) to Stimulate Lucidity? Post your experiences

[atkins513]

So the reason I ask this question is because I just purchased the Sota BT7 biotuner.. its supposed to have many good effects, but also supposed to cause very vivid and lucid dreams, which many people COMPLAIN about lol If you do not know what the device is google it, but I will be reporting my individual results over the next 1-4 weeks, and would love for you guys to partake in this experiment. I don't suggest anyone buy one based on this post, but if you have "real life" experiences with it, I would love your input. Like I said, this isnt an advertisement, just let me be the Guinea pig and waste my money if that ends up being the result lol Based on the reviews, I have many many high hopes for the device. We shall see

[ShadowOfSelf]

Interested to hear your results, good luck

[atkins513]

Interested to hear your results, good luck Thanks, I just ordered it last night, so it will be a few days before i even get it.. but i cant get it soon enough lol

[atkins513]

Day 1: The device arrived today and these are the first initial impressions. Its small, light weight, put together nicely. I have not had a "session" with the device just yet as I am still researching settings, modes, ect. I did however try it out for about a minute.. Its noticeable to say the least.. I put the two ear clips onto my ears, the light comes on to tell you that a closed circuit has been completed (meaning a flow of current from 1 ear to the other). So I turn it onto mode 1, turn up the power knob a little.. I feel a buzzing from the connection to my ear, but I also feel my brain soaking in the juice.. my thoughts immediately become somewhat harder to complete and I feel more euphoric than anything else... i ran it for 1 minute compared to the standard 20 minute session. Before bed, I plan to run the full session then go to sleep. I'm not expecting anything significant tonight, as all the studies say it takes days or weeks to feel strong changes in sleep patterns or dreaming.. but I have seen people report immediate "changes" of some kind... we will see.. This will be considered my day 1, even though it is almost 10:30pm here... So I will continue this tomorrow and try to post daily as changes occur. Thanks for the interest in my thread..

[n00bf0rlyf3]

I'm glad to see results come in tomorrow , I might buy one of these dream machine things when I turn 18 if they work

[DREAMER242000]

Thanks for the update, i look forward to your future posts.

[dreamguy1515]

Tell us more!

[atkins513]

So last night after laying down for sleep I put the biotuner into a mode known to enhance deepness of sleep and relax the mind and body. I lay on my back for the course of the entire session. I became very relaxed and sleepy, even feeling several bouts of what felt like sleep paralysis but not full on. The machine cut off after the 20 minute session and my mind instantly became silently clear, for about 5 seconds.. it was a very odd feeling... I took off the ear clips, set the device next to my bed, and went to sleep. I fell asleep very quickly but probably because I was already incredibly relaxed from what I would assume was the machine. It was pretty late when I got to sleep, around 1am, and when i go to bed so late I don't usually have very good recall or vivid dreams.. but i woke up very very well rested at 8am from a very vivid dream about some people i knew from growing up... very good recall of the dream... i went back to sleep, very light sleep for over the next hour, then got up went to work. That was day 1 on the biotuner. Today being day 2 will be reported tomorrow. Have a good day everyone.

[dreamguy1515]

Can't wait lol

[atkins513]

Day 2: Another restful night's sleep, with memorable dreams.. not a great recall but I remembered most details of the dreams, which was actually really impressive considering I went out drinking last night til and went to bed around 2am under the influence of alcohol lol... so to have any recall in this scenario was actually impressive. Nothing substantial to report today, but im not expecting anything right away as the deep effects are usually cumulative and after many sessions.

[atkins513]

Day 10: I replaced the battery with a new one because it seemed the one that came with the bt7 was weary. After replacing it with a new battery, it felt like it had quite a bit more "juice". Now being on day 10, I am beginning to have regular vivid dreams. Recall still works the same way though, if I don't journal as soon as I wake up, within an hour, most, if not all, details have vanished. So, while the dreams have become more vivid, and more detailed, it seems j journaling still matters equally as much. This morning I had 3 very vivid dreams, including partial lucidity. Im already a lucid dreamer so this isnt anything spectacular, however, regular vividness is not a normal thing for me.. I will continue to update this thread for those of you following (which seems like none lol). Thx.

[Ermac]

Keep updating

[f2jilani]

Do you think this device is helpful for people with insomnia? I am really debating on getting this or the Neurotrek 3 that is just released. Can you please further explain the feeling when you put it on before sleeping? What does it do to you? Does it litrelly just put your mind state in some other mode that you actually feel? Does it clear all thoughts out of your head? If you can give a detail account of exactly what you are feeling when you put it on, it would be much much appreciated. Also i have been following this for a while and this is my first post on this forums.

[SystemsLock]

Hold on. I'm getting really skeptical really fast. Micro-current energy pulses? Modified rectilinear waveform? Sounds like a lot of crap. Even their website seems pretty scam like. I did some research on the devices so called creator, Bob Beck. He's basically a crackpot doctor who claims to have a miracle cure for cancer (which he sells). I wouldn't trust this guy to build anything medical let alone give him my credit card number. Send it back if you can.

[f2jilani]

Hold on. I'm getting really skeptical really fast. Micro-current energy pulses? Modified rectilinear waveform? Sounds like a lot of crap. Even their website seems pretty scam like. I did some research on the devices so called creator, Bob Beck. He's basically a crackpot doctor who claims to have a miracle cure for cancer (which he sells). I wouldn't trust this guy to build anything medical let alone give him my credit card number. Send it back if you can. While the claims of curing cancer are un-verifiable, claims for curing insomnia (with the greatest success rate), depression,, anxiety, addiction with-drawls are verifiable through the research done by some of the top medical schools in the country. Search up device called fisher wallace and look at its medical board advisory as well as the research done on it. Also pay attention to who is funding some of the research on this device which seems to me has stirred up more attention due to it being from USA and also due to who its comprised of. Its the same technology as the bio-tuner which is CES (Cranial Electrical Stimulator) originally developed by the soviets for the space program. It was later re-discovered by mistake by a scientist from Hong Kong working on patients with heroin with-drawls. When they analyzed it, they found out that the brains ability to produce its own neurotransmitter had been rehabilitated and in 3-5 days had reached normal, which is what the current to the brain was causing at 111.11 hz. If you do more research, you will see the technology has actually come a long way and seems to have major benefits. One thing for sure it does is induces sleep especially if you dial up individual frequencies such as Theta (Deeper than meditation), which would let you become lucid that much easier.

[atkins513]

Day 19: So I have been using the device for what is going on 3 weeks. I understand this forum is for "dreams" related things, but I want to give a full account up to this point of how this device has affected me. The biotuner makes many claims, along with lucid dreaming.. A little background. I am someone who doesn't get much restful sleep. Also, take a medication for treating symptoms of a.d.d. So my experiments with this device were personally meant to go much further than just lucid dreaming. I can tell you that every since I Have started using the BT7, my sleep has become very restful.. and most nights I am in bed by midnight, which wasn't typical at all. I get a very long nights rest it feels now.. each morning I wake feeling well rested.. my days have changed as well.. i stopped taking vyvanse for a.d.d to see how the bt7 did with that. After the first week I was somewhat frustrated, my thinking was still cloudy, hazy... as it always was ... this is what a.d.d. feels like.. you can't complete thoughts, tasks, goals.. and so on.. i had filled a new script to alleviate these things but planned to hold out and see how the bt7 did. So the first week i was frustrated because it wasn't showing results there.. i was sleeping well, even having more vivid dreams... but now I can honestly report, after 3 weeks of using the device nightly.. I don't even desire the medicine anymore to clear up the symptoms of A.d.d., because i don't have the symptoms of A.d.d. Most days I think so clearly, that it doesn't feel like the meds would change anything... this truly is one thing I have been able to account for... For the rest of you... my dreams have indeed became more vivid.. although I have learned that recall still completely vanishes if you dont journal.. I have longer, more vivid dreams it seems, but if i don't stop to focus on them after i wake up, and write them down.. i have no recollection of them, or very little of them, within an hour.. I will continue posting to this thread as I will continue using the device... but if someone were to ask me for an honest recommendation on whether to use this or not? Yes, go for it... because if these effects continue, or even strengthen, then this device is a real life changer... to be able to go off the meds entirely and not be dependent on medication to be able to focus clearly is a "dream" of mine personally.. The effects I am feeling are no placebo effect.. its a difference you can truly feel being on add medication, and off add medication.. and this device is working to replace that... thanks guys. please continue to post your own results.

[Effectual]

Wow. It's awesome to hear it may have cured your a.d.d. I've had relatives with the disorder and I know it's anything but fun. Your situation is almost an analogy for lucid dreaming in general; start getting into it and you may find it aids in other dimensions of your life you didn't expect.

[lucydity]

Well whether it helps your dreaming or not if it's helping stop the effects of your condition in replacement of meds it most certainly must be worth the money

[f2jilani]

How is the progress coming along? What modes do you specifically use on the device? Im thinking of ordering one too now

[DREAMER242000]

How is the progress coming along? What modes do you specifically use on the device? Im thinking of ordering one too now I have been using the Bio tuner now for just over three weeks now, i have been using it once a day and in mode 1. The only noticeable changes for me personally are a more laid back attitude to life and a feeling of being more focused mentally. As far as any increase in vividness of dreams are concerned I have noticed none so far.

[f2jilani]

Check this out. I spoke to a user on reddit who was using another CES device at 42hz for many hours a day and for a few weeks. This is what he ended up experiencing. 42 hz is the frequency that was found in monks who meditate for 40+ years. maynoth comments on ELIF: What are the 5th to 9th dimensions? Some very interesting experiences he went through.

[Robot_Butler]

This is definitely a recognized way to induce lucid dreams. I'm not very knowledgeable about CES, especially this device. Check out this link: Lucid Dream Induction Via Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) | Mortal Mist I haven't been following the thread lately, but I'm sure you could message DrTechnical (View the profile of DrTechnical) about it over at Mortal Mist. Last I talked to him, he was looking for participants in his research.

[f2jilani]

Wow that is very interesting. Thanks for that link Robot_Butler, its quite helpful. The device that they are using in that experiment is the one i have ordered. I wonder how their experiments went. That neurotrek device is the same one the reddit user was using as well.

[TeaSea]

I don't understand this... It seems (to me) exactly like one of these nonsense devices which are really expensive, but everyone seems to be taking it really seriously. Could someone please explain why? It's fascinating...

[f2jilani]

These are a few medical researches done by various doctors in the USA: FisherWallaceLabs's Channel - YouTube It summarizes how the device works and how/why its effective. More info here : Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation: A Non-Drug Neuromedical Treatment | Brain Blogger Lucid Dream Induction Via Cranial Electro Stimulation (CES) | Mortal Mist Hack Canada : CES: The Science and The Conspiracy For me personally, the most notable difference is in reduction of anxiety, so i do feel that my money spent on it was well worth it. The more i use it, the more balanced i feel. I bought it mainly for sleep issues and concentration, it definitely aided a bit with my sleep issues as my sleeping has been pretty good as of late, i can sleep on time etc. But again it didnt seem to really do much in terms of concentration. My comparison is with Vyvanse which is the best ADD pill out there, there is no way that this device would even come close to giving me the same concentration as Vyvanse does. Even with sleep its not very obvious that its helping you right post session, it seems to be more gradual the more you use the device. I have been using it for about a month now and i would say my sleeps now are improved from 1 month ago for certain, and i am keeping track with my ZEO device that monitors my sleep patterns. I am personally hoping/waiting to get my neurotrek device which apparently is the strongest CES device on the market that can change your brain state within minutes as it targets only 1 frequency at a time. These other devices send 100's of frequencies at the same time so all they seem to be doing is re-calibrating your overall brain. Neurotrek on the other hand seems to be a device that would let you to go in specific brainstate at will by just choosing it, so if you want to fall asleep, you can choose delta frequency and youd be passed out within 10 minutes. If you want to lucid dream, there are specific frequencies that would help with that as well. I personally cannot attest to these claims as i haven't personally tested the neurotrek yet, but from people who i have spoken with that do have this device do attest to its powerful capabilities. I will provide an update once i receive it.