Thread: Using supplements ONLY to get started, is it possible?

I don't think your thinking is flawed but I sense a degree of impatience and frustration. I understand you though, I too have been interested in the idea of supplements but it is very close to magic pill thinking, short term gratification, so I moved away from it.

With that said though a healthy diet is very important for all the functions of the mind, including dreaming.

Although let me just state the obvious. If there was a supplement (or a magic pill) that helped people to lucid dream frequently, why would we need this forum? And wouldn't that be a big industry already?

Sure there might be some supplements out there that help you in the short term, meaning a few times and then not so much. But the hard truth is that if we are working towards consistency in anything, including the lucid dreaming practise, then one only has to strive to be reliant on ONE thing and one thing only, and that is oneself.

Just like there are "magic pills" out there for anything from sex drive to muscle building to get rich quick scams even work outs.. (1 WEEK AB Program designed to get you ripped abs in a week!)...
The truth is that there are no easy quick ways for success and even if they were, that would be definition no longer be success, because everyone would do it.

It all comes down to enjoying the process of change and learning and focusing your mind.

Great to see that you are meditating by the way! That is in my opinion one of the fastest way to achieve result in anything, because it forces your mind to become process oriented.
Why isn't everyone meditating then if this was true? Well because it requires alot of will power and is based on long term thinking.

My advice to you would be to use the mindset of process orientation that you learn from meditation to all other areas of your life, including lucid dreaming.

Don't strive to "wake up" in an instant, focus on the small successes along the way and don't be frustrated by problems along the way. Problems are just a point of view not something absolute.
I don't even lucid dream consistently (not yet anyway), to be honest I think there are very few that actually do that to the degree of awareness and full control and what not that we all dream of. However, I have seen what consistent action and what a process oriented mind can achieve, and that alone motivates me. So be realistic and trust the process and a few years from now you will look back thankful for the stage that you are at right now.

I haven't learned to lucid dream every night yet (but from time to time) but what I have learned is to: Know how to recall my dreams at will by no longer recalling them but actually remember them upon awakening, have so vivid dreams that I wake up from time to time thinking "Wow.. was THAT a dream?", learned to tap into a creative mindspace where I can solve everyday problems, and now I have started to learn what it means to actually sleep CONSCIOUSLY moving away from the idea of losing awareness as I sleep. (Hint: Meditation is conscious sleep!)

So my point is that the road to your destination might be long, but don't forget to ENJOY the journey. Don't sit back like a kid in the backseat wondering when you are there yet.

Be patient and cultivate your power of will, but be aware of that it takes both patience and will to do so.

But to move away from metaphorical and philsophical speeches.

What this means practically for you is to: Assess where in the journey you are, this means to realize that to focus on attaining lucid dreams isn't a realistic goal. Perhaps what you should focus on now is to actually practise and appreciate your ability to recall dreams. Even if that sounds like basic stuff, enjoying the basics is key for mastery in anything. This doesn't mean that you wont have lucid dreams along the way, but what I mean is that it's no longer the primary goal. The goal should be the enjoyment of the practise itself, because if you enjoy the doing, result come pretty easy, although at that point it's just a bonus. For example when you meditate you don't sit around wondering what pill to take to get relaxed and clear mind, you just sit and enjoy the practise.

Peace!

Originally Posted by MasterMind

I don't think your thinking is flawed but I sense a degree of impatience and frustration.

I can see how I may seem impatiente but this is really not the case - I have heard of lucid dreaming supplements long before but always thought I should be able to do it on my own.. now after so many years and failed attempts I figured I might give it a shot with supplements.

Thanks for all your input! Do not understand me wrong, I am not planning on taking supplements on a regular basis nor am I inclined to think that some supplements will do ALL the work for me. What I really want is just some help a small boost, that gets me started. Certainly I will still meditate, do reality checks and write down my dreams.

I believe that once I'm in a lucid dream, I will know what to do in order to provoke further lucid dreams without the help of supplements. However because I could never have lucid dreams a little bit more often, I was never really able to try out my theory/method.

After reading through some of the sites on the internet about lucid dreaming supplements I got curious because the ingredients seem to have scientific and historic backing, which is something I do not so easily dismiss..

As an artist I have a very unpredictable sleeping rythm, where I sometimes don't go to sleep until its about 3 or 4am and other days I may end up going to bed at 10 or 11pm, which means I wouldn't be able to use the supplements regularly anyway..

I was thinking on using supplements until I have my first few lucid dreams and then stop using it for a while and see how much I'm able to have lucid experiences on my own. It may take only a little and I believe, if it really goes this way, it will be much easier to uphold a motivated and consequent behavour like that. Maybe I will end up using the supplement only for a month or so.. I really can't tell but I'm eager to try it out..

I guess I'm going to try a product called 'Dream Leaf', almost all reviews of this supplements were positive and for someone like me (who has some experience) it might work wonders (fingers crossed).. I will certainly post any rresults here.